Planting forests could cool Earth’s atmosphere more than previously thought

There are a number of schemes across the U.K. to encourage tree planting , but we need to do more. Large areas of Wales for example could be rewilded 👍
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
As long as it's actually rewilding and not bloody douglas fir, we don't a repeat of Ennerdale etc...
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It tends to be Sikta Spruce that are planted (fast growth for timber) and I personally have no issue with that for sustainable timber production.

I agree though the rewinding should not be single species as we need to build resilience through variety of species that suit the local environment.👍
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Agree. USA, Canada, Russia, China, Brazil, northern Australia: all of these countries could adopt this approach on a large scale.
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Add to that the tons of other things we can do...

That super white paint that can reflect the sun from buildings etc.

Cooling the artic by trying to create more cloud cover, I think they can use boats to spray salt water into the atmosphere to create cloud cover there.

As well as the obvious reductions in co2 and increase in renewable energy.

Some of these things should have been tried already but in some cases very little urgency considering the climate emergency were told it is.... heres a question... do governments prefer people living in a continual state of fear?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It tends to be Sikta Spruce that are planted (fast growth for timber) and I personally have no issue with that for sustainable timber production.

I agree though the rewinding should not be single species as we need to build resilience through variety of species that suit the local environment.👍
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Yeah, that's the one, Sitka, they tried loads of different types back when the FC was planting and Sitka was the most suited, also by far the ugliest, I bloody hate those forests, they spoil the landscape and are nasty to walk through, try getting on to Pillar from the Ennerdale side.

So many examples in the Lakes alone, Dodd being another.

Native species will be great though, a completely different look and experience.
 
JJpool said:
Add to that the tons of other things we can do...

That super white paint that can reflect the sun from buildings etc.

Cooling the artic by trying to create more cloud cover, I think they can use boats to spray salt water into the atmosphere to create cloud cover there.

As well as the obvious reductions in co2 and increase in renewable energy.

Some of these things should have been tried already but in some cases very little urgency considering the climate emergency were told it is.... heres a question... do governments prefer people living in a continual state of fear?
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I think people struggle to cope with scary concepts like climate change and create ‘god-like’ characters to blame.

On the past it would have been Thor banging his hammer that caused the thunder. Nowadays it’s Secret Kabals or big Government that wants to control us through fear. It’s easier than accepting the reality to create these myths.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There are a number of schemes across the U.K. to encourage tree planting , but we need to do more. Large areas of Wales for example could be rewilded 👍
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It has to be balanced with other environmental factors though BFC, maybe a good start would be to plant more trees alongside rivers especially those that are prone to flooding. local authorities could also stop felling trees and plant more along the roadside. I can recall a scheme South Staffs operated in the late '50s they planted a small tree such as Hawthorn and Rowan in every other garden on local authority properties, maybe revisit schemes like that one.
 
Sitka produces a horribly sterile environment. They work as a machine for sucking in carbon and producing low quality timber but not much else.

A household name construction company I'm working with is about to fund a mixed forest development in the home counties as part of their offset strategy. It's a good sign and we will hopefully see more of this with the impending legislation on biodiversity net gain n developments.

I do also think the developed world needs to step up and accept it should pay developing countries to preserve and maintain their ecosystems. This goes beyond forests. From a biodiversity hierarchy perspective it's preferable to protect what already exists rather than offset elsewhere, wher you have to start from scratch.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Yeah, that's the one, Sitka, they tried loads of different types back when the FC was planting and Sitka was the most suited, also by far the ugliest, I bloody hate those forests, they spoil the landscape and are nasty to walk through, try getting on to Pillar from the Ennerdale side.

So many examples in the Lakes alone, Dodd being another.

Native species will be great though, a completely different look and experience.
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There are some benefits as Sitka is super fast growing and they all absorb CO2, moreso as they mature.

Imust admit I quite like Pine Forest and I’ve probably changed my attitude towards trees generally. Some of that is down to getting involved in planting and maintaining woodland…I’m not sure we can afford to be too idealistic or snobby about it…Fast growers / pioneer trees like Spruce, Cedar, Pine, Birch, Willow can all fill space quickly…

It looks like Die Back is going to kill off 80-90% of our native Ash, Oak are under threat too and we have sort of developed this romanticism around particular species…. The more variety and resilience the better for me and if Sitka fill a void while other species can develop I’m cool with that.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think people struggle to cope with scary concepts like climate change and create ‘god-like’ characters to blame.

On the past it would have been Thor banging his hammer that caused the thunder. Nowadays it’s Secret Kabals or big Government that wants to control us through fear. It’s easier than accepting the reality to create these myths.
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Well yeah there's lots of lunatics who think it isn't real.

Warming and cooling does happen naturally but I think its pretty clear from science that pumping various gasses into the atmosphere for decades had an affect.

I'm saying governments and the media often do like to over play things, use things.

Weve see examples for years with the oil will run out in 20 years argument thats been said for decades.

Terrorism is another that requires more powers of monitoring, very few are actually at risk, but that fear of not knowing is enough for governments to be granted powers to use on anyone.

The recent covid crisis weve seen how our own government and media is happy to use fear to scare people to submit, maybe to protect us but still.

I'm fully jabbed and agree with some sensible measures but there's no doubt weve seen this overplayed and a big example of the government and media using fear.

Governments don't like giving up powers once they have them.

Weve seen some scaremongering with the climate about sea level rise of many meters when most said 1m by 2100 was more likely, still not good but nowhere near as devastating.

Have governments done all they can to sort this climate crisis or will they let it rumble on by doing seemingly just enough, always just on the brink of disaster? Obviously its global and requires cooperation of some often uncooperative countries, but if we did our bit thats all we can do.

All I know is it they wanted to they could announce tomorrow that they were going to start testing the re freezing technology, cloud brightening or whatever it is and once operational we challenge all developed nations to match our efforts.

They could for eg draft in volunteers or the army to plant trees enmasse and again challenge other nations to match us.

The point was I think governments generally like people living in a state of some sort of fear. Fear help with compliance, helps push thorough new powers.
 
I suspect your “refreezing technology and white paint” is also a bit of a myth too tbh. We often hear of these wonderful new technologies, but they generally disappear as quickly as they arise because they don’t really work or can’t be properly scaled.

I think Governments (especially in the West) are far too transient to have some kind of over-arching fear based control policy. Policy decisions are often reversed from one government to another and whilst I’m sure they may adopt an opportunistic approach to brush something onset the carpet or sneak through or push a well timed policy decision, I don’t think it’s anything overly sinister or organised.

Climate Change is what it is and the reticence to do anything about it has ranged from outright denial that it exists to difficulties in turning around the global economic structure that we have all become so used to.

Every Government likely wants to get on with it, but they have to manage the impact on their people and they fear that other countries may gain an economic advantage by not playing by the rules …. So mistrust between the major international economies is probably the biggest stumbling block to progress.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There are some benefits as Sitka is super fast growing and they all absorb CO2, moreso as they mature.

Imust admit I quite like Pine Forest and I’ve probably changed my attitude towards trees generally. Some of that is down to getting involved in planting and maintaining woodland…I’m not sure we can afford to be too idealistic or snobby about it…Fast growers / pioneer trees like Spruce, Cedar, Pine, Birch, Willow can all fill space quickly…

It looks like Die Back is going to kill off 80-90% of our native Ash, Oak are under threat too and we have sort of developed this romanticism around particular species…. The more variety and resilience the better for me and if Sitka fill a void while other species can develop I’m cool with that.
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Nah, burn all the Sitka.
 
For all those who can't see the point in recycling, or walking to work 'because it won't a bit of difference in the scheme of things, just look at China and their pollution', just look at what thousands not attending matches did to the Oystons. Every little bit helps.
 
Wizaard said:
For all those who can't see the point in recycling, or walking to work 'because it won't a bit of difference in the scheme of things, just look at China and their pollution', just look at what thousands not attending matches did to the Oystons. Every little bit helps.
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So if the Oystons buy China enough will boycott the country to solve climate change 🤔

Interesting theory.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suspect your “refreezing technology and white paint” is also a bit of a myth too tbh. We often hear of these wonderful new technologies, but they generally disappear as quickly as they arise because they don’t really work or can’t be properly scaled.

I think Governments (especially in the West) are far too transient to have some kind of over-arching fear based control policy. Policy decisions are often reversed from one government to another and whilst I’m sure they may adopt an opportunistic approach to brush something onset the carpet or sneak through or push a well timed policy decision, I don’t think it’s anything overly sinister or organised.

Climate Change is what it is and the reticence to do anything about it has ranged from outright denial that it exists to difficulties in turning around the global economic structure that we have all become so used to.

Every Government likely wants to get on with it, but they have to manage the impact on their people and they fear that other countries may gain an economic advantage by not playing by the rules …. So mistrust between the major international economies is probably the biggest stumbling block to progress.
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I'd never heard or considered it before the other day, but if I'm sure the top minds in the world together can come up with many more things.

The paint is legit and tbh even normal white paint like abroad to reflect the heat is probably enough.

No probably not some over arching 'they' but I think pressure from the biggest businesses, oil industry etc, if were moving to a new technology where a company benefits massively we know from the eu and lobbying that big business affects policy.

I think its more a case of the media and governments using fear when they want to do something. Weve seen countless examples over the years, its tried and tested.

Need to go to war? Sudden event or false report to get us there. We could be hit in 45 mins or whatever it said.

Spread enough fear to get over the line and in the direction the government wants to go.

Tbh its no surprise conspiracy nuts don't trust the governments, they haven't earned much trust over the years.

They are proven consistent liars who lie for a living and misuse and at times falsify data to push their agendas and goals.

So just like any other situation I've no doubt the same tactics in some way are being deployed to push through whatever it is that's wanted.

Maybe their only goal is th good of the planet, but it wouldn't be the first time for a side agenda and its won't be the last.
 
JJpool said:
I'd never heard or considered it before the other day, but if I'm sure the top minds in the world together can come up with many more things.

The paint is legit and tbh even normal white paint like abroad to reflect the heat is probably enough.

No probably not some over arching 'they' but I think pressure from the biggest businesses, oil industry etc, if were moving to a new technology where a company benefits massively we know from the eu and lobbying that big business affects policy.

I think its more a case of the media and governments using fear when they want to do something. Weve seen countless examples over the years, its tried and tested.

Need to go to war? Sudden event or false report to get us there. We could be hit in 45 mins or whatever it said.

Spread enough fear to get over the line and in the direction the government wants to go.

Tbh its no surprise conspiracy nuts don't trust the governments, they haven't earned much trust over the years.

They are proven consistent liars who lie for a living and misuse and at times falsify data to push their agendas and goals.

So just like any other situation I've no doubt the same tactics in some way are being deployed to push through whatever it is that's wanted.

Maybe their only goal is th good of the planet, but it wouldn't be the first time for a side agenda and its won't be the last.
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The white paint is legit yes, but it’s a small scale solution. It’s not going to solve the problem of climate change.

Do corporations and big businesses seek to influence policy and media to their own advantage? Absolutely.., but then we all do that to a greater or lesser extent.

Do countries or governments manufacture reasons to go to war…. Yes I’m sure they do, but I think it’s more complicated than simply wanting a war…. There may be other strategic or political goals that are driving those decisions.

So yes, in the required circumstances a government would use fear as a means to gain support for a particular policy decision (they did it with CoViD), but that doesn’t mean that the threat doesn’t exist or that the fear isn’t justified.

I just think that we have a whole load of armchair based nut jobs on the internet, combined with some cyber warfare / propaganda and it results in a whole load of conspiracy bullshit.

Reality is just fairly mundane really….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The white paint is legit yes, but it’s a small scale solution. It’s not going to solve the problem of climate change.

Do corporations and big businesses seek to influence policy and media to their own advantage? Absolutely.., but then we all do that to a greater or lesser extent.

Do countries or governments manufacture reasons to go to war…. Yes I’m sure they do, but I think it’s more complicated than simply wanting a war…. There may be other strategic or political goals that are driving those decisions.

So yes, in the required circumstances a government would use fear as a means to gain support for a particular policy decision (they did it with CoViD), but that doesn’t mean that the threat doesn’t exist or that the fear isn’t justified.

I just think that we have a whole load of armchair based nut jobs on the internet, combined with some cyber warfare / propaganda and it results in a whole load of conspiracy bullshit.

Reality is just fairly mundane really….
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Well if used on every city in the world, on the buildings roofs for eg, as wiz says along with a multitude of other things, little things can add up and begin to have a benefit.

Well yes its all about oil, money, power etc.

I think there are lots of nut jobs, personally I've always like to listen to the more 'legit' conspiracy theories and look into it properly.

I think it started with that moon landings one, it was so convincing, then the counter, also was just as convincing at undoing it.

But not every conspiracy is bollocks, we've seen that.

The police wouldn't cover up Hillsborough..... erm

A big company and also the US government wouldn't cover up giving people cancer and putting forever chemicals into the water supply and causing untold harm to the planet.... whoops.

Remember dr David Kelly the scientist around the Iraq war who committed suicide, was a bit suspicious....

Theres a few worth looking at.

I'm pretty skeptical when theres weird things happening.

The covid in a lab was considered a conspiracy but now has gained much wider recognition.

I think its legitimate to question official government responses etc if there is some suspicious circumstances.

But we certainly don't want to go down the David Icke route of madness.....
 
Heres one of the big problems, the world's biggest economy has a population where more than 50% reject the fact of evolution. The world's second biggest economy is a defacto theocratic autocracy with a 100 year plan for global domination; economic and otherwise. Both of those nations have massive global influence and control as a requisite of national development and national security. in that arena any kind of environmental policy has to meet the short term politico-economic policies of the first country (USA) and be a short term propelling force for the second country (china) in its aim for global domination.
 
JJpool said:
Add to that the tons of other things we can do...

That super white paint that can reflect the sun from buildings etc.

Cooling the artic by trying to create more cloud cover, I think they can use boats to spray salt water into the atmosphere to create cloud cover there.

As well as the obvious reductions in co2 and increase in renewable energy.

Some of these things should have been tried already but in some cases very little urgency considering the climate emergency were told it is.... heres a question... do governments prefer people living in a continual state of fear?
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I think they prefer the zillions they get from oil companies.
 
Government should nationalise all grouse shooting moors and let them return to their natural state, added benefit is it would piss Oyston off!
 
Government can fund the initiative through taxation of those big corporations that pay little tax compared to the SMEs

Then get those teenagers out there planting every weekend. Saves them hanging round the shops or playing FIFA and they are all incredibly woke to the issues of the climate.
Win win all round 👍

It was on the news that Unis are offering 10k for kids to defer their degree by a year. So they’re already half funded in that case - even more win win 😉
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think people struggle to cope with scary concepts like climate change and create ‘god-like’ characters to blame.

On the past it would have been Thor banging his hammer that caused the thunder. Nowadays it’s Secret Kabals or big Government that wants to control us through fear. It’s easier than accepting the reality to create these myths.
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I think it's more a case of big Govt not doing anything like enough to invest in renewables, move away from carbon and control big oil. Those aren't myths.
 
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