Prince Andrew Yet Again

A significant sum of money has been agreed and will be donated to her charity of choice which I believe is associated with child abuse victims. Although the figure is not being disclosed I'm sure the charity organisation will have to declare it to the required authorities at some point.
 
She was always going to settle, the suggestion that she wanted her day in court and the truth to come out was never on the cards, money always wins.
 
TangerineBayern said:
A significant sum of money has been agreed and will be donated to her charity of choice which I believe is associated with child abuse victims. Although the figure is not being disclosed I'm sure the charity organisation will have to declare it to the required authorities at some point.
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An undisclosed sum has been paid to VG (inc. her lawyers) as well. I would guess that is 90-95% of the total outlay.

A figure of ca. £10 million has been bandied about. I wonder how HMQ’s creative accountants will hide that in the P&L account? Oh... I forgot, it will have come from the Duchy of Lancaster and as a “private citizen” she doesn’t have to tell us.
 
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Disappointing, I was looking forward to seeing this go to court.

No payment to VG, puts earlier talk of $5,000,000 - $10,000,000 in perspective, "substantial payment to charity" could be $10,000, maybe $100.000, doubt it'd be substantially more.

Looks to me like VG has folded, and PA has given away just enough for her to save face, or possibly her lawyers have pulled the plug?
 
Archibald Knox said:
An undisclosed sum has been paid to VG (inc. her lawyers). I would guess that is 99% of the total outlay.
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Archibald Knox said:
A figure of ca. £10 million has been bandied about. I wonder how HMQ’s creative accountants will hide that in the P&L account? Oh... I forgot, it will have come from the Duchy of Lancaster and as a “private citizen” she doesn’t have to tell us.
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Source?

Because BBC is reporting a donation to charity and nothing more.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Disappointing, I was looking forward to seeing this go to court.

No payment to VG, puts earlier talk of $5,000,000 - $10,000,000 in perspective, "substantial payment to charity" could be $10,000, maybe $100.000, doubt it'd be substantially more.

Looks to me like VG has folded, and PA has given away just enough for her to save face, or possibly her lawyers have pulled the plug?
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Kurt Zouma paid £250,000 to animal charities last week. There's no way it's less than 7 figures.
 
Wow, imagine how much he would have paid if had actually remembered meeting her! Shades of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” and cake ambushes here!
 
braymarina said:
"Looks to me" does not amount to truth of which, lets face it LS, you know nothing. Speculation is fun but let's not confuse it with reality.
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The facts are that a settlement of $5,000,000, or even $10,000,000 has been floated in the press, presumably by VG's lawyers, you don't go from that to unspecified charity donation without a good reason, so "VG blinked" looks like a reasonable reading of the situation.

Most likely, I think her lawyers have decided to pull the case once it became obvious that PA planned to fight it.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The facts are that a settlement of $5,000,000, or even $10,000,000 has been floated in the press, presumably by VG's lawyers, you don't go from that to unspecified charity donation without a good reason, so "VG blinked" looks like a reasonable reading of the situation.

Most likely, I think her lawyers have decided to pull the case once it became obvious that PA planned to fight it.
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In reality if PA's legal team had any inkling that VG was going to fold or had a strong case, then even the Money Sponge would have fought it at Court.

He will have been under immense pressure to settle as her Madges 70th anniversary was imminent and Charlie Boy wouldn't want any prolonged Court Case with his ascension to the Throne in the near future.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The facts are that a settlement of $5,000,000, or even $10,000,000 has been floated in the press, presumably by VG's lawyers, you don't go from that to unspecified charity donation without a good reason, so "VG blinked" looks like a reasonable reading of the situation.

Most likely, I think her lawyers have decided to pull the case once it became obvious that PA planned to fight it.
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……because nothing says “Not Guilty” like an out of court settlement
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
In reality if PA's legal team had any inkling that VG was going to fold or had a strong case, then even the Money Sponge would have fought it at Court.

He will have been under immense pressure to settle as her Madges 70th anniversary was imminent and Charlie Boy wouldn't want any prolonged Court Case with his ascension to the Throne in the near future.
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Legal costs aren't normally recoverable in the US, so if he fought it and won he's still likely out of pocket to the tune of £500,000 - £1,000,000, and regardless it'd still be hugely embarrassing for himself and others.

I think he would've liked to take it to court, but as you say, he's under huge pressure to settle, so something like this is probably the next best thing for him.
 
I am really not sure how anyone could spin this as a victory for PA. he has paid a load of money to charity to close somebody down who is accusing him of a sex crime. He is hardly vindicated, it's an admission of guilt if anything. If he had never met her as he claimed the case would never have got anywhere near a civil court room.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I am really not sure how anyone could spin this as a victory for PA. he has paid a load of money to charity to close somebody down who is accusing him of a sex crime. He is hardly vindicated, it's an admission of guilt if anything. If he had never met her as he claimed the case would never have got anywhere near a civil court room.
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Nonsense, if there was any merit in the claim. why would VG settle for nothing.
 
Wizaard said:
Kurt Zouma paid £250,000 to animal charities last week. There's no way it's less than 7 figures.
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£250,000 just happened to be a fortnight wages for a professional footballer who had been stupid, a footballer of lesser ability would have paid far less for doing the same as Zouma.

I am not saying how big the settlement is but I'm not sure the Zouma figure has much to do with the price of fish.
 
Lost you were calling her a self-serving gold digger ( or words to that effect )
Now she's settled and the payment goes to a worthy charity ' she's folded ' 😂
Pity it's settled as I would have loved to see him properly sweat
All we can hope is that the charity is substantially enriched

Edit to add the Times are suggesting a settlement to her and a substantial donation to charity by him
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Lost you were calling her a self-serving gold digger ( or words to that effect )
Now she's settled and the payment goes to a worthy charity ' she's folded ' 😂
Pity it's settled as I would have loved to see him properly sweat
All we can hope is that the charity is substantially enriched

Edit to add the Times are suggesting a settlement to her and a substantial donation to charity by him
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I think the lawyers have pulled the rug from under her once they saw that PA was prepared to fight, and her motivation may have had as much to do with avoiding prosecution for child trafficking as anything else.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Lost you were calling her a self-serving gold digger ( or words to that effect )
Now she's settled and the payment goes to a worthy charity ' she's folded ' 😂
Pity it's settled as I would have loved to see him properly sweat
All we can hope is that the charity is substantially enriched

Edit to add the Times are suggesting a settlement to her and a substantial donation to charity by him
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TAM

I am certainly not suggesting she's a gold digger and that she has chosen to have monies donated to such a charity can only be a good thing.

I can't help but think the money going to a charity makes things easier for Andrew in that he is donating money to a charity that all good people will support and not appearing to be punished by having to compensate his victim.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Link, I can't see that.
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Lost

I didn't say it was definitely true, I said that I was reading.


Josie Ensor is the US correspondent for the Telegraph and she has just tweeted:


"The Telegraph hearing Prince Andrew on the hook for a figure north of £10million in his settlement with Virginia Giuffre"


If you have any problems with this Lost, please see/Tweet Josie Ensor and not me.
 
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Lost

I didn't say it was definitely true, I said that I was reading.


Josie Ensor is the US correspondent for the Telegraph and she has just tweeted:


"The Telegraph hearing Prince Andrew on the hook for a figure north of £10million in his settlement with Virginia Giuffre"


If you have any problems with this Lost, please see/Tweet Josie Ensor and not me.
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You posted it, I couldn't find it, and it's not the Telegraph reporting it, it's one of their journo's on twitter.

The fact that it's coming from the US means it's being spun by VG's legal team, so take it with a pinch of salt.
 
Lost Seasider said:
You posted it, I couldn't find it, and it's not the Telegraph reporting it, it's one of their journo's on twitter.

The fact that it's coming from the US means it's being spun by VG's legal team, so take it with a pinch of salt.
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Because the British media have never been in thrall to the Royal Family.
 
Lost Seasider said:
You posted it, I couldn't find it, and it's not the Telegraph reporting it, it's one of their journo's on twitter.

The fact that it's coming from the US means it's being spun by VG's legal team, so take it with a pinch of salt.
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Lost

People say I'm hard work - and I am - but you take the biscuit.

Wiz posted something along the lines of - I am not quoting him - it will be a big settlement, at least 7 figures.

I was reading about the possible value of the settlement on Twitter and replied to Wiz saying:


"Just reading that The Telegraph is suggesting a settlement of £10m"


I didn't say the settlement was £10m.

After reading the following Tweet by Josie Ensor the US correspondent for the Telegraph:

"The Telegraph hearing Prince Andrew on the hook for a figure north of £10million in his settlement with Virginia Giuffre"

I think my reply to Wiz was a perfectly fair one.

I apologise profusely for any offence caused by my post and I am willing to make a substantial donation to your favourite charity.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Lost

People say I'm hard work - and I am - but you take the biscuit.

Wiz posted something along the lines of - I am not quoting him - it will be a big settlement, at least 7 figures.

I was reading about the possible value of the settlement on Twitter and replied to Wiz saying:


"Just reading that The Telegraph is suggesting a settlement of £10m"


I didn't say the settlement was £10m.

After reading the following Tweet by Josie Ensor the US correspondent for the Telegraph:

"The Telegraph hearing Prince Andrew on the hook for a figure north of £10million in his settlement with Virginia Giuffre"

I think my reply to Wiz was a perfectly fair one.

I apologise profusely for any offence caused by my post and I am willing to make a substantial donation to your favourite charity.
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The Conservative Party.
 
C4 news reporting that £10m is the figure agreed.
Also that the charity receiving the donation is one that is controlled by Virginia Giuffre, it is based in the US and so the figure given will probably come into the public domain.
Also mentioning that she may very well receive some of the settlement herself, it is unclear from the agreement.
I bet she feels so humiliated at PA's victory - 'folded' 🤡
 
Lost

In all seriousness, I've largely kept out of Andrewgate on here.

I had no strong opinion on matters and was just looking for a fair trial and justice to be served appropriately.

I did think that many on here had already made up their minds on matters, one person in particular but it would be wrong of me to name HER.

I did keep my eye on a few threads and to be honest, I did think that perhaps some folk were a bit too strong with their criticism towards you.

Now we come to todays settlement, I can't help but think that what Andrew was being accused of was not something that AN innocent person would accept.

I think it's highly unlikely that I will ever find myself in the same position as Andrew but - I suppose there is always a chance that I could be accused of anything by anybody - if I was, I would not make a settlement under any circumstances.

I am sure there will be occasions when it makes sense - mainly financial sense but not just that - for somebody to agree to a settlement despite knowing that they are entirely innocent and believing that they have a strong case.

When accused of being a nonce, I don't believe that's going to be the case and that's me without a pot to p1ss in not somebody like Andrew who has far greater wealth and access to the very best legal representation.

No doubt there are other factors to consider when a case involves an ex member of the royal family - somebody mentions the Queens 70th celebrations above - but I am struggling to believe that any innocent person would be willing to agree to a pay off.

You have been critical of the lady before on here, suggesting that she is taking an opportunity to profit from the situation so I think it's good that the monies are going to an appropriate charity but I can't help but think that with the money going to such a charity it makes it easier for Andrew to pay her off without the comeback, he will be seen as making a contribution to a charity that all fair minded people will support and not paying compensation to a victim.

Just my take on things Lost, my views are no better or worse than anybody elses, in fact that's b0110x, most will be more knowledgeable of the events and circumstances than I am.

I get the impression that you've already made your mind up on things and are not for changing, like many others on here have already done but you have just taken a different view.
 
It appears to me from the Statement (although quite carefully worded) that the donation to the VG charity and Undisclosed Settlement with VG are two separate items.

The wording from PA’s side is also quite interesting…. In addition to the financial settlement, it was apparent that VG was also seeking some kind of acknowledgment. This is likely to have been the area that caused Andrew a big issue and I’d imagine he’s paid a very hefty price to agree the wording he has. (I.e. No personal culpability, but a recognition of VG as a victim, acknowledgement of Epstein as a Sex Trafficker and regret of associating with him)…
 
I agree with BFC, Prince Andrew has been very clever with this because there is no clear admission of liability but he has just conceded enough to get the settlement over the line. Her Lawyers had previously said that without an admission of liability there was no possibility of compromise.
There is only one “winner“ from the settlement though, and it’s not the odious Prince
 
Accusing her of impropriety wasn't clever and never going to wash

You only go there if you are on firm ground

Lawyer in the States ( representing one of the witnesses ) says she believes the settlement to be £10m plus

Looks like Mummy will be raiding the coffers

Hopefully his teddies survive the liquidation of assets and he can continue to berate the hired help who fail to place them in order like the big baby he is
 
Lost Seasider said:
The facts are that a settlement of $5,000,000, or even $10,000,000 has been floated in the press, presumably by VG's lawyers, you don't go from that to unspecified charity donation without a good reason, so "VG blinked" looks like a reasonable reading of the situation.

Most likely, I think her lawyers have decided to pull the case once it became obvious that PA planned to fight it.
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The facts have not be quoted in the press, the press have speculated and you have taken that as fact in order to further your agenda, I speculate of course.
 
The Telegraph are actually saying 12 million now, paid by the Queen! 2 million to the charity and 10 million to the woman? I wonder how many more will come forward now and if any will be younger? 12 million of tax payers money, that's shocking.
 
Macseasider said:
An innocent man of means would NEVER pay someone off before highlighting their abhorrent lies in a court of law.
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Michael Jackson probably did that just to make it go away.

In a way I’m glad PA has made this payment so we don’t have to endure a year of newspaper stories and TV news updates about this case.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Looks to me like VG has folded, and PA has given away just enough for her to save face, or possibly her lawyers have pulled the plug?
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Looks like it’s VG who has folded... 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
www.telegraph.co.uk

Queen to help pay for £12m Prince Andrew settlement

Duke of York reaches deal in sex abuse case but makes no apology to accuser Virginia Giuffre
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The Telegraph is reporting that HMQ herself is on the hook for £12 MILLION in the VG settlement. Minus anything PA has raised from selling his Verbier/Switzerland ski chalet of course (unless Fergie wants to deduct her share). He is f***ed both socially and financially. And the Firm will not mention him ever again... even when he turns up for his late father’s memorial service.
 
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First Bozo, then next
Lost Seasider said:
Disappointing, I was looking forward to seeing this go to court.

No payment to VG, puts earlier talk of $5,000,000 - $10,000,000 in perspective, "substantial payment to charity" could be $10,000, maybe $100.000, doubt it'd be substantially more.

Looks to me like VG has folded, and PA has given away just enough for her to save face, or possibly her lawyers have pulled the plug?
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First Bozo and then Andrew. I wonder which corrupt, lost cause you’ll be trying to defend next 😯.
 
hertfordseasider said:
The Telegraph are actually saying 12 million now, paid by the Queen! 2 million to the charity and 10 million to the woman? I wonder how many more will come forward now and if any will be younger? 12 million of tax payers money, that's shocking.
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The Queen has her own income streams tbf. Not necessarily tax payers money.

Is Lost still maintaining $10,000?
 
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