Public service notice for exporters

Mexboroseasider

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As we know, regardless of whether there’s a deal or no deal, the U.K. leaves the EU customs union at the end of this year. That will involve extra paperwork. I’ve just received a newsletter from a firm of accountants that emphasises how important it is that exporters are ready in time. It reads:

“It is estimated that there will be 305 million extra declarations as a result of the movement of goods through the EU plus an additional 10-20 million declarations for movements across the GB/NI border”.

Crikey!!! That’s a lot of red tape.
 
So you don't understand that goods moving from outside the EU to inside require certification in whatever country they are exported to? Or maybe you do.
 
So you don't understand that goods moving from outside the EU to inside require certification in whatever country they are exported to? Or maybe you do.
My point is that I don’t recall in 2016 Johnson or Gove saying “Of course, being outside the customs union will involve a massive increase in red tape”.

In fact I suspect, if anyone had made that point, you’d have been the first to say “Haw, haw, haw. Another attempt at scaremongering by the Euro fanatics. Project Fear on steroids”.

We now see the truth is that either you didn’t realise that “goods moving from outside the EU to inside require certification” or you were fibbing. Which was it?
 
My point is that I don’t recall in 2016 Johnson or Gove saying “Of course, being outside the customs union will involve a massive increase in red tape”.

In fact I suspect, if anyone had made that point, you’d have been the first to say “Haw, haw, haw. Another attempt at scaremongering by the Euro fanatics. Project Fear on steroids”.

We now see the truth is that either you didn’t realise that “goods moving from outside the EU to inside require certification” or you were fibbing. Which was it?


That's quite funny, seeing as I've spent two of the last four years advising companies on protocols, procedures and legislation for international trade post-Brexit.
 
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Border Control Worker will take over as Number 1 Occupation as the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland splits apart in its component parts with border checks and levies applied at each Country and County border.

Stand by with your Passport to travel from Blackpool to Manchester and make sure you can prove you have enough money for your stay in Urmston and a night out in Salford.

Travellers returning from Greater London meanwhile will have to self-isolate for 2 weeks on arrival and on your return to the Gold Coast.

Thinking of travelling abroad? Don’t.
 
Border Control Worker will take over as Number 1 Occupation as the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland splits apart in its component parts with border checks and levies applied at each Country and County border.

Stand by with your Passport to travel from Blackpool to Manchester and make sure you can prove you have enough money for your stay in Urmston and a night out in Salford.

Travellers returning from Greater London meanwhile will have to self-isolate for 2 weeks on arrival and on your return to the Gold Coast.

Thinking of travelling abroad? Don’t.

Why would anyone want to leave the Gold Coast, Bottle?
 
It can’t come as a surprise that there’ll be an increase in border checks and paper work post Brexit, surely?
 
Why would anyone want to leave the Gold Coast, Bottle?
Indeed. Clearly not a surprise for you, but some who were told leaving the EU would mean less bureaucracy and red tape might be a little taken aback by this discovery so late in the day.

Crikey - it’s almost as if they’ve been lied to!! And if they’ve been lied to about that, what other lines have they been fed and swallowed?

A right old melon scratcher that’s for sure.
 
We were promised frictionless borders although Gove backtracked last February.


Digging out old articles in which Gove warned that "You have to accept we will need some friction. We will minimise it but it is an inevitability of our departure" doesn't really help your argument though does it?

Telling business back in the old days that "I don't underestimate the fact that this is a significant change, but we have time now to make that change," was a timely government warning about the additional paperwork to be required in 11 months time. Who knows, if Messr Macron wasn't so pig-headed, we might reach a trade deal with the EU and some of that paperwork could be dispensed with.
 
Digging out old articles in which Gove warned that "You have to accept we will need some friction. We will minimise it but it is an inevitability of our departure" doesn't really help your argument though does it?

Telling business back in the old days that "I don't underestimate the fact that this is a significant change, but we have time now to make that change," was a timely government warning about the additional paperwork to be required in 11 months time. Who knows, if Messr Macron wasn't so pig-headed, we might reach a trade deal with the EU and some of that paperwork could be dispensed with.
Me saying Gove said it in February acknowledges the point but the article is about the U turn from what was promised by Boris. QED.
 
The latest classic from Gove today is saying we'll be safer from terrorism and crime if we don't have a joint strategy with the EU. Surely no one can think that and keep a straight face, never mind announce it in the HOC.

We're being led by idiots.
 
The latest classic from Gove today is saying we'll be safer from terrorism and crime if we don't have a joint strategy with the EU. Surely no one can think that and keep a straight face, never mind announce it in the HOC.

We're being led by idiots.

Yep, I think Theresa May`s incredulous response to the oleaginous Gove`s sophistry, as the government jumped yet another Brexit shark, was quite damning.

Ministers telling whoppers with impunity, and ministers lying on command to cover up government failures, is fast becoming the norm.

Whilst appreciating that the pandemic is a testing time for government, and allowances should be made for mistakes, the Brexit lies that are now coming home to roost should not be allowed to be brushed aside in such a cavalier fashion.

It is patently wrong for Gove to say we will be safer outside the EU, and illustrates the contempt with which he treats the truth.

What a rotten lot we`ve got....
 
Yep, I think Theresa May`s incredulous response to the oleaginous Gove`s sophistry, as the government jumped yet another Brexit shark, was quite damning.
Ministers telling whoppers with impunity,

When did Alan Partridge join this site 😆
 
It was never going to be an easy deal and of course there will be more bureaucracy
This was never about these issues it was all about jingoism and xenophobia. That tipped the balance
Fkn stupid referendum which has only served the far right and divided the country
No more referendum ,have elections and crack on with it that goes for the Scots
 
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It was never going to be an easy deal and of course there will be more bureaucracy
This was never about these issues it was all about jingoism and xenophobia. That tipped the balance
Fkn stupid referendum which has only served the far right and divided the country
No more referendum ,gave elections and crack on with it that goes for the Scots
But there was an election. And the voters went for brexit again.
 
Apparently there are moves afoot to name the new lorry park in Kent “The Farage Garage” in honour of the great man. There’ll be portaloos and all sorts of conveniences available for the drivers during their two day wait to get on a ferry. 👍
 
A small majority voted for those parties offering a different outcome actually, but obviously because of FPTP this did not translate into seats.
But voters didn't know whether Labour was leave or remain because they wouldn't tell anyone. I assume they're now pro-leave. As Diane Abbott said about its leader this week, "I think it's noticeable, having been Mr Remain all the way up until he got leadership of the party he's now Mr Leave. I blame his mother for calling him Keir."
 
But voters didn't know whether Labour was leave or remain because they wouldn't tell anyone. I assume they're now pro-leave. As Diane Abbott said about its leader this week, "I think it's noticeable, having been Mr Remain all the way up until he got leadership of the party he's now Mr Leave. I blame his mother for calling him Keir."

Yes fair comment to some extent, but Labour’s official position was to renegotiate Boris Johnson’s deal and put it to a public vote (yes I know they were intending not to campaign on that vote, which was muddled to say the least).
I was merely pointing out that the last election was not the overwhelming confirmation in favour of Brexit that some like to portray it as.
Many voters felt they had nowhere to go and were trapped between a rock and a hard place.
 
Apparently there are moves afoot to name the new lorry park in Kent “The Farage Garage” in honour of the great man. There’ll be portaloos and all sorts of conveniences available for the drivers during their two day wait to get on a ferry. 👍
I believe moves are afoot to name the Portaloos either Jacob Rees-Bogs or Priti Shitters.
 
You call it red tape, others say customs declarations. Either way, that's how international trade works.
Before the EU single market I had to take out a Customs Carnet and post a bond to take expensive instrumentation into Europe. And get that Carnet stamped at every point of entry and exit. If the kit overstayed it’s temporary export duration for any reason, or someone forgot to clear the paperwork at the end, you would get stung with a fine of thousands.

All that went away with the EU single market. Now it’s back. And they say trade will be more efficient outside the EU?
 
Before the EU single market I had to take out a Customs Carnet and post a bond to take expensive instrumentation into Europe. And get that Carnet stamped at every point of entry and exit. If the kit overstayed it’s temporary export duration for any reason, or someone forgot to clear the paperwork at the end, you would get stung with a fine of thousands.

All that went away with the EU single market. Now it’s back. And they say trade will be more efficient outside the EU?

Without a trade agreement, the movement of goods within the EU won't be the same after December and nobody said it would be. Trade outside the EU should be the same as before.
 
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Without a trade agreement, the movement of goods within the EU won't be the same after December and nobody said it would be. Trade outside the EU should be the same as before.
Wrong. With or without a trade agreement we will be out of the customs union. The additional red tape will therefore be needed regardless.

It’s astonishing how many leavers don’t understand what they voted for.
 
Wrong. With or without a trade agreement we will be out of the customs union. The additional red tape will therefore be needed regardless.

It’s astonishing how many leavers don’t understand what they voted for.

Bollocks. Trade with non EU countries that are not covered by EU agreements will stay as before. Still have to complete customs declarations.
 
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Bollocks. Trade with non EU countries that are not covered by EU agreements will stay as before. Still have to complete customs declarations.
You said “without a trade agreement, the movement of goods within the EU won’t be the same”. You were inferring if we had a trade agreement then things would continue as before. They won’t. As I said, deal or no deal, we are out of the customs union which involves masses more paperwork.
 
Bollocks. Trade with non EU countries that are not covered by EU agreements will stay as before. Still have to complete customs declarations.
That’s completely misleading. Virtually all our TAs were within the EU framework. While we were in the EU we were part of their trade agreement with, for example, Canada. Now we are not and will have to start from scratch on 01/01/2021 and we are negotiating with Canada. But it’s only thanks to Canada we are not already mired...

“Recognizing the need for certainty during the transition period, Canada has agreed to the UK remaining as a party to the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) and all other Canada-EU agreements for the duration of the transition period. This includes multilateral agreements in force between Canada and the EU.”
 
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Trade with non EU countries that are not covered by EU agreements will stay as before. Still have to complete customs declarations.
That’s completely misleading. Virtually all our TAs were within the EU framework. While we were in the EU we were part of their trade agreement with, for example, Canada. Now we are not and will have to start from scratch on 01/01/2021 and we are negotiating with Canada. But it’s only thanks to Canada we are not already mired...
Tango is right. Customs declarations will have to be completed when trading with non-EU countries no longer covered by EU agreements after 31 December.

However, from that date new trade agreements will come into effect which will streamline import and export procedures. At the moment this stands at around two dozen countries plus those under discussion, including Trans-Pacific Partnership countries plus those subject to mutual recognition agreements like Australia and any continuity agreements signed with existing partners.
 
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