Rachel Thieves

Not sure what of today's announcements makes you so cross, Bendit?

More affordable housing, an attempt at a coherent energy generation policy, increased defence spending, cutting the asylum application backlog, stopping using hotels for asylum seekers within 4 years.

I struggle to understand anyone on here significantly disagreeing with those. If Uncle Nige was announcing those, JJ would be creaming his pants.
 
Lots of announcements. Some big capital but will the revenue go with it to run the services and will it deliver real growth? I do like the proposal to rewrite the Treasury Green book to reflect more local contexts. At the moment it favours London and the SE. I suspect services like local government will get squuezed and without proper change in adult social care funding then there will be annual pressures on the NHS.
These announcementsare usually smoke and mirrors. I would like the IFS to do a full review.
 
puggiz said:
One word……deluded
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At least two references of support for Blackpool and Blackpool South. What bits of those did you object to?

Edit to add, you posted the OP only a few minutes after she started speaking. You couldn't wait to actually listen to it, could you ?
 
bfcpete said:
I don't think investors are overly enthused. FTSE up a whopping 6 points.
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They have pushed overall index numbers to near record levels despite growing global dangers. You really shouldn't take much notice of them, it's all just a lucrative game to them.
 
bfcpete said:
I don't think investors are overly enthused. FTSE up a whopping 6 points.
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What worries me is the amount of borrowing- it’s eye watering - it’s our kids and their kids and beyond who will have to pay for this - and I am not sure it will create growth.

Anyway, the stock market in the short term means nothing as it’s a manic depressive that’s also bi polar - which is hard to imagine!

I was always taught you should neither be a borrower or a lender apart from a mortgage - if you cannot afford it don’t buy it.
 
voyeur said:
You have a very fractional sense of losing control! You and the rest of the Reform crackpot coalition. The simpleton squad.
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Everything going in the wrong direction.

Only a comple thicko would be supporting this dodgy labour government now, so no surprise you are.
 
JJpool said:
Everything going in the wrong direction.

Only a comple thicko would be supporting this dodgy labour government now, so no surprise you are.
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The lot before them were significantly worse and if Reform replaces them we will witness new levels of incompetence combined with deception in government, the service of the few. You're just too blind and stupid to realise it. You'll have to see it happen and even then might continue this state of denial and obsessive wishful thinking.
 
voyeur said:
The lot before them were significantly worse and if Reform replaces them we will witness new levels of incompetence combined with deception in government, the service of the few. You're just too blind and stupid to realise it. You'll have to see it happen and even then might continue this state of denial and obsessive wishful thinking.
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No I happen to have another opinion, that gets jumped on by the labour luvvies.

The 2 main parties have failed and delivered no meaningful change in decades.

Reform are a growing party from almost nothing, there will be growing pains along the way, especially as theyre going to be attacked by the uni party, but by the next election they'll be far stronger and have a team in place. Whatever it's good enough we'll see, bit right now it's the only hope.

Can't have more of the same under the last lot or this lot.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932707922670236089

Uni party happy to club together to ensure they keep things the same? No thanks.
 
I actually admire the politics going on here which is purely reactionary on Labour's part. Reform were trying (improbably) to outflank Labour from the left (NHS etc) and the Tories on the right with 'tuff on foriners'. A good approach I'd guess and I stress politically.
 
bill40 said:
I actually admire the politics going on here which is purely reactionary on Labour's part. Reform were trying (improbably) to outflank Labour from the left (NHS etc) and the Tories on the right with 'tuff on foriners'. A good approach I'd guess and I stress politically.
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It would be nice to get some genuine adult decision making though wouldn't it? Starmer is all scared to death, and Badenoch and Farage are just shockingly terrible. Playing daft games.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not sure what of today's announcements makes you so cross, Bendit?

More affordable housing, an attempt at a coherent energy generation policy, increased defence spending, cutting the asylum application backlog, stopping using hotels for asylum seekers within 4 years.

I struggle to understand anyone on here significantly disagreeing with those. If Uncle Nige was announcing those, JJ would be creaming his pants.
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Mossy, yes there are elements of her speech which on face value could be excellent….. but we’ve been here before with the promises, lies and sound bites.

Remember Starmer gushing repeatedly pre- election about everything has been costed.

Realistically by the time IF the hotel situation is sorted a further £20 billion will have been spent on them.

Defence spending is way short and Reeves knows it.

As for energy, a new U-turn on policy to accompany the WFA.

So you might be able to understand my pessimism even if you don’t agree with me.
 
puggiz said:
Mossy, yes there are elements of her speech which on face value could be excellent….. but we’ve been here before with the promises, lies and sound bites.

Remember Starmer gushing repeatedly pre- election about everything has been costed.

Realistically by the time IF the hotel situation is sorted a further £20 billion will have been spent on them.

Defence spending is way short and Reeves knows it.

As for energy, a new U-turn on policy to accompany the WFA.

So you might be able to understand my pessimism even if you don’t agree with me.
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100%, I just don't characterise everything they change on as lies. Starmer lost my support with some of his backtracking, but I think of it is reacting rather than lying. Boris misleading the Queen was lying.

And it always comes back to the same problem, from where do you get the money? There is no magic way to turn the tiny fraction of immigration on the boats off, even if the Tories Rawanda plan had worked, it was for about a day's worth at £700M.

Many of us on here have been saying for years, the way to deal with the cost of immigration is to process asylum seekers hugely quicker, invest now in staff to reduce all the other costs down the line. Maybe let them work and pay tax and contribute whilst awaiting a decision. These are real savings possibilities in the real world.
 
contraryalf said:
At least two references of support for Blackpool and Blackpool South. What bits of those did you object to?

Edit to add, you posted the OP only a few minutes after she started speaking. You couldn't wait to actually listen to it, could you ?
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Hey, its contraryalf my personal stalker.

I bet you was wetting yourself that I had pre-empted a post by a few minutes and you could scribe one of your legendary contrary posts. Here to help.


I had sufficient time even after that period to post the OP, and watching the whole bumbling insincere speech meant I did not have to edit the original afterwards, because nothing she had said, had changed my mind.
 
Many saying the spending isn’t enough.

Many saying it’s too much and we cant afford it.

Watching Peston on the news the economy hasn’t grown for 15 years hence we don’t have the money for the same public services as pre-austerity.

So how do we grow the economy because 15 years of ideas and still failing ?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
100%, I just don't characterise everything they change on as lies. Starmer lost my support with some of his backtracking, but I think of it is reacting rather than lying. Boris misleading the Queen was lying.

And it always comes back to the same problem, from where do you get the money? There is no magic way to turn the tiny fraction of immigration on the boats off, even if the Tories Rawanda plan had worked, it was for about a day's worth at £700M.

Many of us on here have been saying for years, the way to deal with the cost of immigration is to process asylum seekers hugely quicker, invest now in staff to reduce all the other costs down the line. Maybe let them work and pay tax and contribute whilst awaiting a decision. These are real savings possibilities in the real world.
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Yep, process quickly and deport.

We can go to war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria but we can’t stop the boats because it’s deemed unlawful by the ECHR.

You couldn’t make it up.
 
voyeur said:
I've called the right wing muppets various things like simpleton squad and crackpot coalition so I can handle a bit of return flack, deluded as it may be.
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Maybe if you went such an angry poster at times people could disagree without the need for silly names. We are all Blackpool fans afterall, well some aren't, but most are.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not sure what of today's announcements makes you so cross, Bendit?

More affordable housing, an attempt at a coherent energy generation policy, increased defence spending, cutting the asylum application backlog, stopping using hotels for asylum seekers within 4 years.

I struggle to understand anyone on here significantly disagreeing with those. If Uncle Nige was announcing those, JJ would be creaming his pants.
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Ha ha within 4 years

Should be done in four fcuking hours
 
Lala said:
Many saying the spending isn’t enough.

Many saying it’s too much and we cant afford it.

Watching Peston on the news the economy hasn’t grown for 15 years hence we don’t have the money for the same public services as pre-austerity.

So how do we grow the economy because 15 years of ideas and still failing ?
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Too early to say they are still failing IMO, but it does feel like trying to roll a rock uphill for now.
 
Macseasider said:
I think they are doing quite well considering the mess they were left.

It's typical of the entitled right to think it would all be sorted within a year and no mistakes would be made along the way.

Gives them a reason to be angry all the time though I suppose.
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If it can't be sorted in a year, I wonder why that is?

Could it be because the public infrastructure has been completely stripped bare through self interest and greed?

All those years of austerity and what do we have to show for it?

Meanwhile, the deluded, to quote the OP, are those blaming Labour.
 
Lala said:
Many saying the spending isn’t enough.

Many saying it’s too much and we cant afford it.

Watching Peston on the news the economy hasn’t grown for 15 years hence we don’t have the money for the same public services as pre-austerity.

So how do we grow the economy because 15 years of ideas and still failing ?
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The first 14 years was deliberate stagnation.
 
Well, it is off to a disappointing start with he announcement the economy shrank by 0.3% in April. Economists had predicted a 0.1% fall.
 
They've got 4 years still to improve things for the majority. As we stand today, there aren't too many groups who have benefit from the first year in power. Perhaps patients requiring medical service have been seen quicker maybe?
 
Chunkylad said:
They've got 4 years still to improve things for the majority. As we stand today, there aren't too many groups who have benefit from the first year in power. Perhaps patients requiring medical service have been seen quicker maybe?
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Well, my wife has been waiting for an appointment from hospital, for a painful condition, for over 6 months. The waiting time has been extended every month for the last 3 months. 😟
 
Isn't this just the other side of the coin from when it grew faster than expected in March? A lot of stuff got brought forward to avoid the US tariffs so instead of two broadly flat months you got one decent month and one bad one.

Overall not really anything to get particularly excited about but naturally we have to overreact and overanalyse every bit of economic news (just like all the people celebrating an economic miracle in March).
bfcpete said:
Well, it is off to a disappointing start with he announcement the economy shrank by 0.3% in April. Economists had predicted a 0.1% fall.
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