Rail strikes

Curryman said:
Kier Starmer has warned his MP's and front bench in particular not to join picket lines.

However, Potty Mouth's excuse is that it was a march not a picket line. Others didn't bother listening either.

Oh dear, Kier it seems your deputy didn't get the message. she 's right at the front of the march.

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Why reduce this to a knock about yaa-boo when it isn't?
 
Archibald Knox said:
We have gas/energy price inflation just like the OPEC oil price hikes of 1973, that is dominating the 11% inflation prediction. That is feeding into inflation for food, transport etc. No wonder public workers with effective economic power are using union organisation to try and keep their wages and standard of living matching inflation.

In addition, we have a stagnant low growth economy, primarily due to 10+ years of austerity but now compounded by the restrictions of Brexit, losing the single market, with a lack of immigrant EU workers now and a possible trade war with the EU. This means the UK is now the last option for any international business looking to invest.

Well done, Bozo. With your corrupt ambition to become PM through Brexit, lack of morals and integrity with no plausible policies, now allied with outside circumstances such as Ukraine, you have engineered the perfect shit storm, which will take years to recover from. We are now again the “sick man of Europe”.
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Petrol prices are in dollars. Brexit has caused the pound to slump to new lows, hence the bigger impact on prices at the pump.
 
Curryman said:
Kier Starmer has warned his MP's and front bench in particular not to join picket lines.

However, Potty Mouth's excuse is that it was a march not a picket line. Others didn't bother listening either.

Oh dear, Kier it seems your deputy didn't get the message. she 's right at the front of the march.

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Not a picket though. Completely different.
 
Wizaard said:
No, the trains are way underfunded compared to the South, with far less rolling stock, two coach trains being commonplace. That makes them look full, but they don't compare to the 10 and 12 coach trains down South.

Public transport subsidy down South is £1500 per head. Yorkshire and Humber £450. Levelling up my arse.
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The trains I am on are regularly 6 carriages and still rammed. Northern have lots of new trains.
 
poolseasider said:
And my mate also a train driver said they had no intention of striking because whatever pay increase if any they'll get it added to their salaries.
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Drivers Ballots were landing on door steps this morning. Strike likely to be called end of July i would have thought.
 
Wizaard said:
I hadn't realised that the public sector are exempt from paying tax on their earnings. Must contact HMRC and get 40 years worth of refund.
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Just checked - you quoted me - and you cannot change a quote once it’s been done - although you can change the original post.

So please drop the bollox it was changed after you posted rubbish 👍
 
Curryman said:
Kier Starmer has warned his MP's and front bench in particular not to join picket lines.

However, Potty Mouth's excuse is that it was a march not a picket line. Others didn't bother listening either.

Oh dear, Kier it seems your deputy didn't get the message. she 's right at the front of the march.

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Why do you call her potty mouth?

She's not on that photo by the way.
 
Are Network rail engineers on strike aswell????. If not then with most of the trains not running and on some areas no trains at all would it not be an idea to get some of the work done normally set aside for Bank Holidays and weekends
 
Network rail guys have been planning their work months ago, hoping it would come to a strike, no work, full pay, you cannot beat it. We are a country full of pussies, seeing big bosses and irrelevant politicians getting big wages, whilst our youngsters who go on to further education or on appreticeships get shafted. I hope more and more go on strike, towns and cities riot, even the hamlet of Poulton. Lets show the Govt and any other future govt we are not pussies.
Disclaimer - any other future Govt( not Labour they will never get in 😂)
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
She's not on it, she hasn't been on any pickets, fake news from Curryman.
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Unfortunately the picture of her at the front of a demo could not be downloaded, I tried three times. It is not false news. Potty mouth is her name due to the rather unsavoury language she recently used. Not becoming of an MP and certainly not becoming of a deputy leader.
 
todayistheday said:
Network rail guys have been planning their work months ago, hoping it would come to a strike, no work, full pay, you cannot beat it. We are a country full of pussies, seeing big bosses and irrelevant politicians getting big wages, whilst our youngsters who go on to further education or on appreticeships get shafted. I hope more and more go on strike, towns and cities riot, even the hamlet of Poulton. Lets show the Govt and any other future govt we are not pussies.
Disclaimer - any other future Govt( not Labour they will never get in 😂)
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Always found you an odd intriguing poster tbh, so what are you insinuating here, Revolution, Anarchy, civil disobedience?
 
Curryman said:
Unfortunately the picture of her at the front of a demo could not be downloaded, I tried three times. It is not false news. Potty mouth is her name due to the rather unsavoury language she recently used. Not becoming of an MP and certainly not becoming of a deputy leader.
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That's clearly bollocks, the pictures would be all over news sites and easily copy and pasted, but she wasn't at any, that's a fact. There's really no need to try and dig your way out of it, just admit you made shit up and move on.

Sorry, I got a bit potty mouthed there, just like Johnson at his first PMQs.

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The PM accuses Labour and other opponents of supporting a "surrender bill" on Brexit and calls for an election on 15 October.
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Lytham_fy8 said:
That's clearly bollocks, the pictures would be all over news sites and easily copy and pasted, but she wasn't at any, that's a fact. There's really no need to try and dig your way out of it, just admit you made shit up and move on.

Sorry, I got a bit potty mouthed there, just like Johnson at his first PMQs.

news.sky.com

Boris Johnson swears in Commons as he calls for 15 October election

The PM accuses Labour and other opponents of supporting a "surrender bill" on Brexit and calls for an election on 15 October.
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I have it copied on my main computer and will try again in the morning. Copied from Sky but now strangely missing. FACT.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
That is her experience though, are you suggesting people who grew up in council houses aren't allowed to have success and if they do they're to completely forget their roots?
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Not at all, I was brought up in extremely poor conditions, probably worse than her. I cant explain it, I just feel with her it’s someh hypocritical.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Unless of course, those 'private' companies are funded by the Government and instructed by the Governmemt not to give in to union demands. Can I suggest that you take a step back from Union bashing and look at the reality of this situation. There are no 'Union barons,' this is not the 1970s regardless of the picture that Johnson and Shapps are trying to paint.
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who is Union Bashing? I stated fact, The government has nothing to do with this, Drivers, cleaners etc are working for private companies who have offered pay increases which have been rejected, however the focus by Union Leaders is to bash the government for not doing anything. Interesting that Labour MP's were on the picket lines and literature was aimed at bringing down the tory government. So you dont have to pontificate and tell me this is all Boris when this is a co ordinated Union attack alongside Labour.
 
Sorry to disappoint, I cannot post the picture on here as it keeps informing me it's the wrong format. I've tried numerous ways but unsuccessfully.

Looks like it may be another one of those mystery photo's, reports etc which appear and then for some reason disappear. All I can say about it is she is at the very front in a Bet Lynch style, fake tiger, trouser suit. Not one of her dresses recently reportedly purchased in a £900 binge.

Up the workers!!
 
Interesting story, sheds some light on the issues: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...s-mean-takes-nine-workers-change-plug-socket/

“We can’t roster individuals,” said one industry source. “Let’s imagine you want to change a single socket to a double in your kitchen. “Potentially you’d need an electrician, a tiler and a plumber as your dishwasher waste pipe will need adjusting too.

Alternatively, you could find a competent odd-jobber to do the whole task.

“In Network Rail we can’t roster individuals, only teams and we can’t multi-skill those teams so we’d need to send a team of three electricians, three tilers and three plumbers – nine people to do a job one person could do.
 
Curryman said:
Sorry to disappoint, I cannot post the picture on here as it keeps informing me it's the wrong format. I've tried numerous ways but unsuccessfully.

Looks like it may be another one of those mystery photo's, reports etc which appear and then for some reason disappear. All I can say about it is she is at the very front in a Bet Lynch style, fake tiger, trouser suit. Not one of her dresses recently reportedly purchased in a £900 binge.

Up the workers!!
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This one?

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Wasn't tricky, it's from the weekend's cost of living march, nothing to do with the rail strike or Keir Starmer's instructions to Labour MPs, so it was fake news from yourself, like I said, or you were confused, I've no idea why you posted a random photo of a picket line that didn't contain Angela Rayner instead.

Glad we cleared that up.
 
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Markobfc said:
who is Union Bashing? I stated fact, The government has nothing to do with this, Drivers, cleaners etc are working for private companies who have offered pay increases which have been rejected, however the focus by Union Leaders is to bash the government for not doing anything. Interesting that Labour MP's were on the picket lines and literature was aimed at bringing down the tory government. So you dont have to pontificate and tell me this is all Boris when this is a co ordinated Union attack alongside Labour.
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Again, not true. Take Network Rail. 70% of its income is a mix of direct grants from the UK and Scottish Governments, 25% comes from charges levied on train companies that use the network, and 5% of its income comes from the network's estate. Moreover, the governments (national and Scottish), specify what they need from Britain’s railway and how much they are prepared to contribute. Take also, the Rail Delivery Group - another player in the strike negotiations. They are half funded from Nework Rail and half from the transport groups. This makes them 35% funded by the Government.

Moreover, we no longer have the rail franchising agreements that were created during privatisation in the mid-90s. It was the pandemic that led to significant change in funding, so that now the industry is being run through management contracts. And how did this come about? It came about through the 2018 Williams-Shapps Review of the railways in which the Government demanded a 10% cut in operator costs in the following year and a 3.8% fare increase in March this year - the highest fare rise in almost a decade. But, hang on, don't the Operators set the fares? No, not since the Williams-Shapps Review, which recommended that the government effectively keeps all the fares but bears the risk if fewer people use the railways. So, the Government now sets the fares, decides how much investment goes into the railways and demands that the Operating companies cut their costs - which includes staff wages. And one of the men who put his name to the review that recommended these changes- one Grant Shapps, the one who doesn't want to interfere in the Strike negotiations because it's nothing to do with him.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Interesting story, sheds some light on the issues: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...s-mean-takes-nine-workers-change-plug-socket/

“We can’t roster individuals,” said one industry source. “Let’s imagine you want to change a single socket to a double in your kitchen. “Potentially you’d need an electrician, a tiler and a plumber as your dishwasher waste pipe will need adjusting too.

Alternatively, you could find a competent odd-jobber to do the whole task.

“In Network Rail we can’t roster individuals, only teams and we can’t multi-skill those teams so we’d need to send a team of three electricians, three tilers and three plumbers – nine people to do a job one person could do.
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Utterly ridiculous
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Again, not true. Take Network Rail. 70% of its income is a mix of direct grants from the UK and Scottish Governments, 25% comes from charges levied on train companies that use the network, and 5% of its income comes from the network's estate. Moreover, the governments (national and Scottish), specify what they need from Britain’s railway and how much they are prepared to contribute. Take also, the Rail Delivery Group - another player in the strike negotiations. They are half funded from Nework Rail and half from the transport groups. This makes them 35% funded by the Government.

Moreover, we no longer have the rail franchising agreements that were created during privatisation in the mid-90s. It was the pandemic that led to significant change in funding, so that now the industry is being run through management contracts. And how did this come about? It came about through the 2018 Williams-Shapps Review of the railways in which the Government demanded a 10% cut in operator costs in the following year and a 3.8% fare increase in March this year - the highest fare rise in almost a decade. But, hang on, don't the Operators set the fares? No, not since the Williams-Shapps Review, which recommended that the government effectively keeps all the fares but bears the risk if fewer people use the railways. So, the Government now sets the fares, decides how much investment goes into the railways and demands that the Operating companies cut their costs - which includes staff wages. And one of the men who put his name to the review that recommended these changes- one Grant Shapps, the one who doesn't want to interfere in the Strike negotiations because it's nothing to do with him.
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And Network Rail employ the staff. they are in charge of pay rises not the government.
 
I think the issue is not just about pay, it’s about trying to modernise outdated working practices to make the railways more efficient.
 
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