Ryan Hardie

Rektseasider said:
I hope these people who are happy to let him go, arnt they same people urging Nuttall to get a chance under Critchley. As he was just as impotent with a larger sample size to go off.
Not a dig at Nuttall per say it’s just,
everyone last year looked poor, Grayson tactics, uncertainty at board and management level pre season all put pay to a cohesive season.

Just thought Hardie has something about him in the glimpses we saw of him here and then obviously the spell at Argyle.

But if he is going then yes, good luck to him we’ve stocked up on strikers so should be ok.
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You win some you lose some well said Rekt
 
Couple of things. I personally would have waited until the end of pre-season before letting Hardie go, if indeed we do.
He does seem a bit of an impact player and I stand to be corrected but I think he started mainly on the bench for Plymouth (nothing wrong with that of course).
NC has been watching alot of football during lockdown and I would be surprised if that didn't include Hardie at Plymouth.
So if he has decided that we can let Hardie go (and it 's not just a boardroom decision) so that he can bring in someone else in then for now that is good enough for me.
 
Goforgoal said:
If you get him it will be your gain and definitely our loss. He never got a fair chance under Grayson and after his record with you during his loan, I thought he might have been given a chance. Good luck to him and the Pilgrims, except when you play us of course.😜
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when he first signed on loan it was rumoured we was after Brett Pitman too. Hardie was announced instead and all Argyle fans where extremely underwhelmed. I believe him being too “lightweight” isn’t an issue with his pace and always being on the shoulder of the defender. One through ball and before the defenders even managed to turn he’s off. He’s so confident in front of goal that must of his goals was either chipping or rounding the keeper. He will be up there in the top scorers. I really hope fans will be allowed when we play you. Blackpool is always my fav weekend. Good luck for the season lads
 
I think we'll end up regretting this. Just a feeling. So I hope we've got a decent sell on clause.
That said, we can't keep signing players for six figure fees and not move other players on. Yes, Sadler has money but the fact is we're a league one club who's most recent accounts showed a £2.1m loss. The books need to be kept in check, and if we're to play some matches behind closed doors next season, we need to also be thinking about how the finances work.

So its a little disappointing but we have brought in adequate replacements I think.

I may put a bet on Hardie scoring against us, and Swindon doing the double over us next season. They will happen, we all know it. This is Blackpool were talking about!
 
Not pleased if this turns out to be true. Trust there’s is a plan in place though and perhaps there’s a Plymouth player we’ll take in return ? Doesn’t sit right with me though considering the clubs suppposed transfer strategy, the length of contract Hardie has and what he’s done being very similar to that of Yates who we seemingly busted a gut to sign.
The finances surely aren’t going to be a massive factor - doubt Plymouth are going to give us a big fee. I suppose this is why I’m not a football manager though !
 
I'm another one who would be disappointed if we let him go, scored goals for fun off the bench for Plymouth, surely we could do with his type of player when defences are tiring. Its not like Delfouneso, Madine, Nuttall etc are prolific goalscorers and we haven't a clue how the new lads, mainly Yates, are going to turn out.

That said, I'm sure we can handle one disappointment considering all the good news we've been receiving lately, as I'm sure any fee would be reinvested if it hasn't been already.

Agree with the above though, absolutely guaranteed he will score against us, no doubt Swindon will do the double over us after nicking most of their targets as well.
 
Don't see why people wouldn't miss hardie but got giddy about Yates when hardie had a much better goals per games in league Two
 
The transfer window doesn't close until October. Surely Hardie has to be given pre season to see if he is what Critchley wants ? Joe Nuttall is living a charmed life, I'd rather get him off the wage bill whether it be on a loan or a sale.
 
Hardie was crap in every game he played for us. I didn't see anything that made me think there is a player. Early on we were winning and the club was buzzing, he came on and made zero impact in any game. Saying we played him in the wrong position is fine but his touch was poor, he was weak and failed to create or look like scoring. If Plymouth give good money for him we should take it. No hard feelings, he did very well there and may well go on to prove me/BFC wrong.
 
I don't think that Hardie started a game for us apart from the LDV last season, coupled with Larry's hoofball mantra, he didn't stand a chance imo. He showed at Plymouth that his pace and finishing is there to be used if you play to his strengths which I'm assuming is the way that Critchley wants to play.
 
Very disappointed hardie seems to be leaving, clearly enjoyed his time at Plymouth thanks to Grayson screwing him whilst at Blackpool. In the right formation and tactics he would be lethal in front of goal

With our transfer business also he may feel down the pecking order and not want to fight for his place.

I’m also not very inspired about the news regarding grant?! 33 year old league2 veteran. Very odd signing... wouldn’t mind us looking up the leagues now...

where’s this championship player we have interest in gone ? -
 
Let the Lad go now we have signed Yates what's he going to be third/fourth choice behind him and Madine?
If he could play in out wide in a 3 fair enough but from want I've seen he can't.
 
I don't see the point in Madine either. From what I've seen of Yeats, most of his goals are scored on the floor so he's not a Gnando type of player so an equally pacy partner ( Hardie ) could reap dividends. I don't know what you are potentially not seeing here.
 
NewburyOne said:
Hardie was crap in every game he played for us. I didn't see anything that made me think there is a player. Early on we were winning and the club was buzzing, he came on and made zero impact in any game. Saying we played him in the wrong position is fine but his touch was poor, he was weak and failed to create or look like scoring. If Plymouth give good money for him we should take it. No hard feelings, he did very well there and may well go on to prove me/BFC wrong.
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Newbs. With respect I may have seen him a bit more of Hardie than you. He's an instinctive striker. He's the one that should be given the free role. Forget the tracking back, forget defending corners, just be a sniffer. Another Dobbie but not quite a DJ.
 
Insider said:
Newbs. With respect I may have seen him a bit more of Hardie than you. He's an instinctive striker. He's the one that should be given the free role. Forget the tracking back, forget defending corners, just be a sniffer. Another Dobbie but not quite a DJ.
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I saw pretty much every minute he played in our first team but no idea how he trained. Based on what I saw and who we have signed, my opinion is he won't be a loss. He may turn into a superstar but with the greatest respect, and I do respect you Insider, if Critchley is happy for him to leave, so am I.
 
NewburyOne said:
I saw pretty much every minute he played in our first team but no idea how he trained. Based on what I saw and who we have signed, my opinion is he won't be a loss. He may turn into a superstar but with the greatest respect, and I do respect you Insider, if Critchley is happy for him to leave, so am I.
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I saw his minutes in the Ressies as well. The game when he scored a hat trick he had 3 relevant touches.
 
I’m not 100% that this is solely on Critchley.
It’s been discussed but basically we now have 4 players for one position. The club doesn’t need 4 strikers so one has to go,
Yates obviously is in.
Madine is on 5 k a week, Nuttalls on 3.5 a week. No one is going to part with a transfer fee and pay those kind of wages for either of those two.

That leaves Hardie to go as he’s the easiest one to shift and we need to shift one.

This one has nothing to do with the playing side of things. Upside is we get 200k, down side we loose a talented player, the situation is a left over from the upheaval of last year it left us totally lopsided all over the pitch.
 
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Rektseasider said:
I’m not 100% that this is solely on Critchley.
It’s been discussed but basically we now have 4 players for one position. The club doesn’t need 4 strikers so one has to go,
Yates obviously is in.
Madine is on 5 k a week, Nuttalls on 3.5 a week. No one is going to part with a transfer fee and pay those kind of wages for either of those two.

That leaves Hardie to go as he’s the easiest one to shift and we need to shift one.

This one has nothing to do with the playing side of things. Upside is we get 200k, down side we loose a talented player, the situation is a left over from the upheaval of last year it left us totally lopsided all over the pitch.
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Kinda thought something along those lines.
 
Rektseasider said:
I’m not 100% that this is solely on Critchley.
It’s been discussed but basically we now have 4 players for one position. The club doesn’t need 4 strikers so one has to go,
Yates obviously is in.
Madine is on 5 k a week, Nuttalls on 3.5 a week. No one is going to part with a transfer fee and pay those kind of wages for either of those two.

That leaves Hardie to go as he’s the easiest one to shift and we need to shift one.

This one has nothing to do with the playing side of things. Upside is we get 200k, down side we loose a talented player, the situation is a left over from the upheaval of last year it left us totally lopsided all over the pitch.
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I agree with that to an extent, but at the same time I don't think Hardie would be leaving if he had a big part to play in NC's plans.
We'd be more likely to loan out Madine and/or Nuttall and pay part of their wages, surely.
 
So get rid of the 2 surplus members of the forward line, ie, the two big target men who aren't gonna get any service as we're gonna play it on the floor !
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
I agree with that to an extent, but at the same time I don't think Hardie would be leaving if he had a big part to play in NC's plans.
We'd be more likely to loan out Madine and/or Nuttall and pay part of their wages, surely.
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Yeh I get that and I would prefer that option.
But I can’t see many league one let alone two teams parting With 2 or 3 K a week for two strikers that struggle to score, especially when you factor in a potential wage cap.

I just think if finances weren’t playing a part he’d stay. All in all he did more than Nuttall last season, so whys he being kept on?
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
I don't think that Hardie started a game for us apart from the LDV last season, coupled with Larry's hoofball mantra, he didn't stand a chance imo. He showed at Plymouth that his pace and finishing is there to be used if you play to his strengths which I'm assuming is the way that Critchley wants to play.
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He started at Doncaster and Accrington. And missed sitters in both.
I'd rather he stayed and is given another chance, but i don't think it's unfair to say that he didn't really show anything when he was given one last season.
 
Can’t we loan him out again if not currently needed? We won’t be desperate for a transfer fee and I’m sure Plymouth would be willing to pay most of his wages.
Like others have said I’d rather we get ride of Nuttall, can’t see him firing in a high press team if that’s the way NC goes.

Still think Madine has got something to offer.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
How many did Nuttall start ? How many did Nuttall score ? How much did Nuttall cost ?
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Just because nuttall was worse doesn't mean hardie was any better...

Based on last seasons showings neither was good enough. Personally I would like them both to stay and be given another chance in a different set up and hopefully last seasons showings were the exception.
 
Chopper_5 said:
Just because nuttall was worse doesn't mean hardie was any better...

Based on last seasons showings neither was good enough. Personally I would like them both to stay and be given another chance in a different set up and hopefully last seasons showings were the exception.
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Nuttall was given lots of chances, Hardie wasn't. Simple really.
 
Rektseasider said:
Yeh I get that and I would prefer that option.
But I can’t see many league one let alone two teams parting With 2 or 3 K a week for two strikers that struggle to score, especially when you factor in a potential wage cap.

I just think if finances weren’t playing a part he’d stay. All in all he did more than Nuttall last season, so whys he being kept on?
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Rekt.
I'm sorry to question your credentials but you've hooked me with your ITK stuff. Can you give us a clue about your source whilst still protecting your confidentiality?
 
We're happy to let Hardie go (on a loan or to sell) and Nuttall to go on loan. I cannot see anyone paying a good enough proportion of Nuttall's wages though.
 
I think what is confusing me is that everybody is really excited about the signing of Yeates ( we did beat beat the massive Swindon Town to sign him ), whereas Hardie's goal ratio in league 2 last season was better ! Am I missing something ?
 
Insider said:
Rekt.
I'm sorry to question your credentials but you've hooked me with your ITK stuff. Can you give us a clue about your source whilst still protecting your confidentiality?
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I’ll message you when I figure out how I do it.
 
Rektseasider said:
I’m not 100% that this is solely on Critchley.
It’s been discussed but basically we now have 4 players for one position. The club doesn’t need 4 strikers so one has to go,
Yates obviously is in.
Madine is on 5 k a week, Nuttalls on 3.5 a week. No one is going to part with a transfer fee and pay those kind of wages for either of those two.

That leaves Hardie to go as he’s the easiest one to shift and we need to shift one.

This one has nothing to do with the playing side of things. Upside is we get 200k, down side we loose a talented player, the situation is a left over from the upheaval of last year it left us totally lopsided all over the pitch.
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madine 5k a week jeez !
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
I don't think that Hardie started a game for us apart from the LDV last season, coupled with Larry's hoofball mantra, he didn't stand a chance imo. He showed at Plymouth that his pace and finishing is there to be used if you play to his strengths which I'm assuming is the way that Critchley wants to play.
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He started at Donny away and missed a couple of sitters.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Madine will be a valuable asset going forward?

Like it or not, in some matches we will go behind and the tika taka football won’t work. That’s why Chelsea have a Giroud figure; someone to bring on in the late stages and bully defenders. I’d love to see Madine fill that role for us next season.
 
Stu99 said:
Am I the only one who thinks Madine will be a valuable asset going forward?

Like it or not, in some matches we will go behind and the tika taka football won’t work. That’s why Chelsea have a Giroud figure; someone to bring on in the late stages and bully defenders. I’d love to see Madine fill that role for us next season.
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Agree,he should be a huge asset especially at league 1 level when fully fit,the big question with Gary Madine though and has been throughout his career is his attitude,you’d like to think he’s grown up a bit with age and if his mindsets right then he’s more than capable of being a nuisance for all the right reasons.
 
According to Nixon it's looking like a LOAN and not a transfer away. Gives us chance to move the deadwood on in the meantime if they don't cut the mustard and if Hardie continues to shine at Plymouth we either get a decent fee, or a better player back at the end of it ready for the Championship
 
Loan him until January. If he cuts the mustard, flog him for more money or recall him. If he's poor, release him in the summer.
 
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