Schools closed - load of bollocks!

Junior_BentsPlatformShoes

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I'm fed up of hearing that schools have been closed - my primary school currently has 42% of the children in who qualify as Critical worker or vulnerable children. schools around the area have up to 80% of the children in. Not a single school I know of is closed, not one. Anyone saying teachers are lazy or just want extra holidays can drift - my staff are now having to do online lessons for half the children whilst teaching the other half in school. The question is, what is the point? Still lots of mixing and transmission opportunities, along with parents travelling etc.
Clueless and piss poor leadership from the government -don't even get me started on the Monday night announcement either!
Edit to add - the roads travelling to school today didn't look any different either - what 'full' lock-down bollocks too!
 
I'm fed up of hearing that schools gave been closed - my primary school currently has 42% of the children in who qualify as Critical worker or vulnerable children. schools around the area have up to 80% of the children in. Not a single school I know of is closed, not one. Anyone saying teachers are lazy or just want extra holidays can drift - my staff are now having to do online lessons for half the children whilst teaching the other half in school. The question is, what is the point? Still lots of mixing and transmission opportunities, along with parents travelling etc.
Clueless and piss poor leadership from the government -don't even get me started on the Monday night announcement either!
Wow 80% in ??? Is that from just key worker kids and vulnerable children ?
I agree with the rest of your op by the way 👍
 
Wow 80% in ??? Is that from just key worker kids and vulnerable children ?
I agree with the rest of your op by the way 👍
The issue is the Critical worker list the government have drawn up - only one parent in the household needs to be on the list, and it doesn't matter if both are working from home.. They've extended the list to the point it would have been easier to list which jobs aren't critical, i.e hair and beauty along with hospitality. All it has done is reduce numbers in school slightly, but double the work for teachers whilst halving the quality of education.
Here's the list:
 
The issue is the Critical worker list the government have drawn up - only one parent in the household needs to be on the list, and it doesn't matter if both are working from home.. They've extended the list to the point it would have been easier to list which jobs aren't critical, i.e hair and beauty along with hospitality. All it has done is reduce numbers in school slightly, but double the work for teachers whilst halving the quality of education.
Here's the list:
Argh right, didn’t realise only one person had to be on critical worker list and both could be working from home 🤔
Bound to clog things up then. Seems a bit unrealistic and I know my granddaughters school are having difficulty accommodating this time round.
 
So is this a backhanded attempt to head off sone kind of Union Action by the Teachers or has the Government just not realised that they’ve made a bit of a cock up?
 
So is this a backhanded attempt to head off sone kind of Union Action by the Teachers or has the Government just not realised that they’ve made a bit of a cock up?
Who knows - different unions were wanting different action - NEU told its members not to go to work as the workplace was unsafe, NASUWT said go in or could be in breach of contract, and the head teacher union NAHT told me they started legal proceedings against the government before the lock-down was announced. I think it's like everything else, poorly planned if at all, half-arsed and not really doing what they've announced is supposedly happening.
 
Amazing how these teachers /head teachers have plenty of time to rant on a football message board 😯
in my day teachers taught kids nowadays they seem to be a left wing cult ☹️
 
I would be on that critical worker list, so could pack my imaginary child off to school, despite being at home.
 
Amazing how these teachers /head teachers have plenty of time to rant on a football message board 😯
in my day teachers taught kids nowadays they seem to be a left wing cult ☹️
Aye, worked all weekend, worked until midnight Monday night, in school for 7.30am yesterday, left at 6pm. It's called managing your own time to get the job done - a 5 minute break on here isn't robbing the children of their education. Glad you found the time in your busy working day to post that guff though, well done 👍
 
Aye, worked all weekend, worked until midnight Monday night, in school for 7.30am yesterday, left at 6pm. It's called managing your own time to get the job done - a 5 minute break on here isn't robbing the children of their education. Glad you found the time in your busy working day to post that guff though, well done 👍
You’ve had a few five minute breaks this morning 😁
 
Clearly you appear to be someone keen to test out the “ No abusing of fellow posters message”.

J-B thanks for the insight and keep up the good work you and your fellow teachers are doing.
What you think that’s abuse???????
talking about the teaching profession is not personal abuse !!!!
 
What you think that’s abuse???????
talking about the teaching profession is not personal abuse !!!!
I think you got the wrong end of the stick but then I’m not surprised.

Perhaps you need to re appraise what I was actually saying/ getting at but then I am not sure even then you will understand.To subtle( not that it is) for you I suspect.
 
Upwards, What was yours previous to Boxing Day Santa claus🤣🤣🤣
 
My son is at home with me, my wife works in a hospital, I am also classed as a critical worker, but can do most of my work from home. UNTILL I have to go out, then I will have to stop the online learning, pack Little Lime into the car & set off, each visit would take approx half a day... So his online learning will suffer.
Yesterday morning school rang to tell us that Imedia & Tourism & leisure (yes that is a lesson!!) revision & exams would take place this week & he would need to be in Thursday to Monday... At 9,15pm last night the head emailed us to tell us the DfE had contacted schools at 8pm to say they should cancel them... I wouldn't want to be a teacher!!
 
Moan moan ** moan. It’s incessant on here. Just get on with your job and stop whinging about it. Everyone has a choice.
And yet on another thread people are encouraged to offload their frustrations and struggles.

You are basically saying "shut up, bottle it up and no one cares"

Everyone is stressed for different reasons.

Some are out of work, some are juggling kids and work, some have jobs that are really difficult.

If not else, unloading on the government is a cathartic release that makes people feel a bit better and no, I don't think everyone does have a choice right now - I think that's precisely why people feel like this.
 
Moan moan ** moan. It’s incessant on here. Just get on with your job and stop whinging about it. Everyone has a choice.
Exactly 👍🏻 A profession of moaners, not all granted but certainly a lot, can’t think of another profession out of hundreds that moan constantly. Oh and it’s easy to blame the government, but I received an email on Monday at 5pm to say one of mine was DEFINITELY in school on Tuesday as they were opening as normal Now the fact that they either didn’t know or chose to ignore the fact that there was a statement at 8pm that night is sheer incompetence☹️
 
Exactly 👍🏻 A profession of moaners, not all granted but certainly a lot, can’t think of another profession out of hundreds that moan constantly. Oh and it’s easy to blame the government, but I received an email on Monday at 5pm to say one of mine was DEFINITELY in school on Tuesday as they were opening as normal Now the fact that they either didn’t know or chose to ignore the fact that there was a statement at 8pm that night is sheer incompetence☹️
Incompetence is the word. Not the school, the lack of leadership at the very top.

You couldn't pick someone with worse personal traits to be in charge in time of crisis.

Attention to detail. No
Strategic thinker. No
Firm and decisive. No
Willing to make unpopular decisions for the common good. No
Empathetic. No
 
What I got at the school gates this morning - "We will be shutting at half two today". Oh right, nice one 🙄

Agree with Scara. It would be better if teachers stopped acting like they are doing everyone a massive favour rather than simply doing their jobs and mucking in like everyone else.
 
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Exactly 👍🏻 A profession of moaners, not all granted but certainly a lot, can’t think of another profession out of hundreds that moan constantly. Oh and it’s easy to blame the government, but I received an email on Monday at 5pm to say one of mine was DEFINITELY in school on Tuesday as they were opening as normal Now the fact that they either didn’t know or chose to ignore the fact that there was a statement at 8pm that night is sheer incompetence☹️
No moaning from me about the job - just the incompetence of the chinless wonders in charge. As a head, I found out schools were closing the following day at 8.10pm along with the rest of the nation, and that we'd have to make provision for critical worker and vulnerable children. Strangely, I don't carry the contact details of every parent I have at school, or their professions. Since then we haven't stopped bending over backwards to help parents. No whinging from myself or my staff about being in school, and as always doing our best for our children and families.

It's clear some of you were a bit naughty at school and didn't have a good experience, which you've carried bitterly up to the present day. It's a shame for you. And yes Scrooge, that's another minute I've been on here, I've got a brew too!
 
I feel for anyone working in education at the moment. Of all the leadership failings you can put at the door of the current Government, this is by some way the worse. Williamson has managed the incredible feat of making an almost impossible job even harder.

On the wider point about the lockdown, as I've only been out of the house once in a week, it's hard to assess. But it was far, far quieter than normal when I did (the weather was ropey though).
 
I feel for anyone working in education at the moment. Of all the leadership failings you can put at the door of the current Government, this is by some way the worse. Williamson has managed the incredible feat of making an almost impossible job even harder.

On the wider point about the lockdown, as I've only been out of the house once in a week, it's hard to assess. But it was far, far quieter than normal when I did (the weather was ropey though).
That's because it was 3am Bazzle.
 
And yet on another thread people are encouraged to offload their frustrations and struggles.

You are basically saying "shut up, bottle it up and no one cares"

Everyone is stressed for different reasons.

Some are out of work, some are juggling kids and work, some have jobs that are really difficult.

If not else, unloading on the government is a cathartic release that makes people feel a bit better and no, I don't think everyone does have a choice right now - I think that's precisely why people feel like this.
To be fair to the poster I think he’s only talking about the posts he doesn’t like
 
No moaning from me about the job - just the incompetence of the chinless wonders in charge. As a head, I found out schools were closing the following day at 8.10pm along with the rest of the nation, and that we'd have to make provision for critical worker and vulnerable children. Strangely, I don't carry the contact details of every parent I have at school, or their professions. Since then we haven't stopped bending over backwards to help parents. No whinging from myself or my staff about being in school, and as always doing our best for our children and families.

It's clear some of you were a bit naughty at school and didn't have a good experience, which you've carried bitterly up to the present day. It's a shame for you. And yes Scrooge, that's another minute I've been on here, I've got a brew too!
And if you did carry those details with you home, you'd be in trouble with GDPR.😂
 
I think after nearly a year we can safely say that by now the Government should have a grip on things and be able to pre-empt problems. However they seem only able to react at the last minute still and make it up as they go along. I'm not denying it isn't a difficult job but they have managed to monumentally fuck things up because quite simply, they are useless.
 
I think after nearly a year we can safely say that by now the Government should have a grip on things and be able to pre-empt problems. However they seem only able to react at the last minute still and make it up as they go along. I'm not denying it isn't a difficult job but they have managed to monumentally fuck things up because quite simply, they are useless.
You'd think so wouldn't you.
Hey, guess what. Let's have a look at how the German govt are dealing with their school problems.
COVID: German schools ′under-equipped and unprotected′ | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 30.12.2020
 
Just because other countries are ** it up too, doesn't make us ** it up right, that's a ridiculous argument!

I'm interested in our country and it just shows how useless governments are all over, Politicians are a bit shit, shock horror!
My point being is simply that there is no easy solution to this like you seem to think there should be. Remember it was you who said "after nearly a year..." Well after nearly a year no-one is getting it right. Oh apart from the ** know all experts on AVFTT.
 
Exactly 👍🏻 A profession of moaners, not all granted but certainly a lot, can’t think of another profession out of hundreds that moan constantly. Oh and it’s easy to blame the government, but I received an email on Monday at 5pm to say one of mine was DEFINITELY in school on Tuesday as they were opening as normal Now the fact that they either didn’t know or chose to ignore the fact that there was a statement at 8pm that night is sheer incompetence☹️
Or they're mirroring the indecision at the top? Is that the fault of the DFE or the teachers?

DFE chose to put out a statement at 8pm and go no advance warning to anyone. As far as the school are concerned, they were being threatened with legal action over closure the (school term) week before this and now they're supposed to read the runes and know about closures?

How?

Schools haven't had any inside info, they haven't had 'the nod'

Beneath all the rhetoric, that's one of the things the unions are raging about - that everything is last minute and schools aren't consulted or given any information and then can't plan properly.

I got the same text from my lads head, followed by texts at 8.30 saying 'sorry, plan changed'. I'm not angry at him - he's just trying to keep the school open and do what's asked of him but what's asked of him keeps changing constantly and also being released to the public at the same time as him.

Whilst I'm not saying some schools or teachers aren't shit, Boris must have his big moment at prime time for his big reveal when actually it could all be done so much better. That's the bigger incompetence. I'm not slagging them cos they're Tories, I'm slagging them because they don't communicate clearly and then we all suffer the chaos.
 
Irony at its finest!! 🙈 🤣 🤣
Don't try and change tack to switch it to me. You made the statement that after nearly a year etc... So simply address the point about this grip on things you think the govt should have but which most other European don't seem to be able to do either. They've had the same length of time, well actually maybe a bit longer. Of course, I don't think you can can you? Why? Is it perhaps like I said , that there isn't an easy solution.
 
Don't try and change tack to switch it to me. You made the statement that after nearly a year etc... So simply address the point about this grip on things you think the govt should have but which most other European don't seem to be able to do either. They've had the same length of time, well actually maybe a bit longer. Of course, I don't think you can can you? Why? Is it perhaps like I said , that there isn't an easy solution.
I stand by my original post and my reply to you. Just because other countries are making a pigs ear of it doesn't excuse us doing it too! Stop trying to get into an argument for the sake of it. If you think it is all going great, good for you, again you failed to answer any of the questions you come out with a what about these countries which I have answered, any comments on why you think we are doing things so well or so badly?

Also, this is a message board, the politics section to discuss political things, it's just a load of opinions and debate, why do you always have to make such a cock of yourself by trying to be clever?
 
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