Seriously, WTF is going on in this country?

We had similar back in 1996 at Warton.

3 women protestors broke into the airfield gained access to a flight test hanger and caused £2m damage to a Hawk aircraft.

They all got off Scott free other than a caution following a trial at Preston.

Should have been locked up for both trespassing and causing criminal damage and been made to pay for the damages caused.

It was a piss take that all 3 walked away free.
 
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Can we just chemically castrate for any crime committed? It might be after the horse has bolted for some, but at least it will drain the gene pool of many future knob heads for many.

It might even work as a decent deterrent for illegal immigrants too? "Sir, I only travelled for free on the underground one stop" "Yeah seems harsh doesn't it but hey that's the rules son"......
 
We need to walk back 20 plus years and start again. We’ve f*cked up somewhere along the line, and it saddens me.
It’s also why previous left wingers are now centre right, the left has veered so far into undisciplined, woke, lazy ideals that it’s ruining our nation.
 
Lala said:
We need to walk back 20 plus years and start again. We’ve f*cked up somewhere along the line, and it saddens me.
It’s also why previous left wingers are now centre right, the left has veered so far into undisciplined, woke, lazy ideals that it’s ruining our nation.
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Gosh yes. Country was in a real strong position in 2005. I remember how everything felt positive (barring the Iraq bollocks).

Schools were improving, NHS was bloody good, we got €1.48 to £1 so foreign hols were cheap.
 
One of the things I notice about the world is this:

In 'the old days' whilst politics was international (i.e. people opposed apartheid and that) it was also local and more about your immediate surroundings.

Now, it all seems to be some kind of massive global melting pot where people are REALLY ANGRY ABOUT EVERYTHING BECAUSE SOMEWHERE THERES ALWAYS SOME KIND OF INJUSTICE... but people seem to care much much less about what happens immediately around them.

Left or right, EVERYTHING IS A SYMPTOM OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD but I'm not sure most people would be arsed to go and do anything about anything in their immediate surroundings because it's POINTLESS BECAUSE THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM.

I honestly don't know what that's got to with anything on this thread but it's what came into my head so there we go.

I am nothing if not good for some words that aren't always on topic.
 
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I was being ironic but no one seems to do that anymore but takes everything literally.
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I assumed your irony was actually sarcasm by pointing out that the government are not tolerating Pro Palestinian terrorist groups, therefore trying to say the left aren’t that woke.

I didn’t realise you didn’t think this government were left wing either. Irony indeed 👌👌👏
 
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It is an act of treason mates and that still carries the death penalty in this country, but no doubt Starmer will just slap their wrists unless they posted hurty words on social media then it will be fast tracked through and jail terms handed out!
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Treason no longer carries the death penalty.

And they've been declared terrorists and its illegal to belong to the group.
 
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I assumed your irony was actually sarcasm by pointing out that the government are not tolerating Pro Palestinian terrorist groups, therefore trying to say the left aren’t that woke.

I didn’t realise you didn’t think this government were left wing either. Irony indeed
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My head's buzzing with all the double negatives.
 
Nothing to do with Keir.RAF there's a clue .Where was the ** security?.I thought the RAF Regiment protected our air force bases?
 
What if it had been a proper terrorist group who managed to plant a bomb on the plane! I get really pissed off with all the political point scoring.
 
Only in this country could you trespass on a military site outflanking piss poor security, damage a military jet worth millions of pounds and be given a conditional discharge, whilst at the same court an OAP who had a rant of Facebook after being disgusted by another Muslim terrorist and had probably drank too many glasses of sherry sat in the comfort their own home, get locked up for three years for their sins!!

I really despair sometimes, i really do.
 
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Nothing to do with Keir.RAF there's a clue .Where was the ** security?.I thought the RAF Regiment protected our air force bases?
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I was based at Brize 91-95, 101 Squadron ground crew. All base personnel take turns at guard duty. RAF Regiment were airfield defence in case of war, if my memory is correct.
 
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Nothing to do with Keir.RAF there's a clue .Where was the ** security?.I thought the RAF Regiment protected our air force bases?
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Despite being in their job title they don’t and never really have provided that level of perimeter or gate security in the UK during peacetime. That’s done by either the RAF police or MOD Provost officers or in the case of Brize ( I think) a combination of the two. Back in my day we had the IRA to keep us on our toes and perimeter security was pretty tight, years of complacency has obviously left its mark. As far as I’m concerned any protest group that damages properties of our armed forces is crossing the Rubicon and I’m heartened by the Government’s response so far in proscribing this group as a banned organisation. I expect the Brize Station Commander is both receiving and dishing out some severe bollockings right now. In the long run they may have done us a favour, Stations will be terrified of a reoccurrence and security (I suspect) will be ramped up significantly.
 
I’m all for coming down hard on law breakers and especially these two, but prescribing it as a terrorist organisation is a step too far, unless they have verifiable evidence of actual terror plans.
 
Is the security of the perimeter not outsourced to those purveyors of high quality delivery Serco?

We did a piece of work for the Navy up at Faslane and was told that Serco were securing most perimeters now (which is akin to a chocolate fire guard)
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Why would anyone hate this country so much as to damage our means of defence and security for the subjects who live here?
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Why would anyone hate this country so much as to damage our means of defence and security for the subjects who live here?
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They are protesting about the UK’s military support for a country currently carrying out genocide. They spray painted a couple of planes and are now deemed terrorists. It’s a complete misuse of the law.
 
Superbretty said:
They are protesting about the UK’s military support for a country currently carrying out genocide. They spray painted a couple of planes and are now deemed terrorists. It’s a complete misuse of the law.
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Well, if they had spray painted slogans on the skin of the aircraft that’s fairly trivial to clean off. But, to be factual, they sprayed paint into the jet engines inside the fan blades. That is a bloody expensive clean-up job, probably a full engine overhaul, and they will be out of service for some time.

To some extent, using terrorist laws against them seems somewhat overkill, like jailing someone for five years for climbing motorway gantries. But making a political statement with a few slogans is one thing; causing a lot of very expensive damage to essential defence aircraft rendering them unsafe and putting them out of action for a long time is very different... actually it’s sabotage... as the courts will likely think. They should have fully thought through what they had planned.
 
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Moddey Dhoo said:
Well, if they had spray painted the skin of the aircraft that’s fairly trivial to clean off. But, to be factual, they sprayed paint into the jet engines inside the fan blades. That is a bloody expensive clean-up job, probably an engine overhaul, and they will be out of service for some time.

To some extent, using terrorist laws against them is somewhat overkill, like jailing people for five years for climbing motorway gantries. But making a political statement with a few slogans is one thing; causing a lot of very expensive damage to essential defence aircraft rendering them unsafe and putting them out of action for a long time is very different... as the courts will likely think.
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Ok, accepted. However, there was no violence involved, and no threat of violence. How and why is a law introduced to combat terrorism and groups that support terrorism being used to prosecute a direct action protest group? It’s a complete abuse of power. Palestinian Action Group has never killed anyone but is now on a par legally with ISIS. Members can now face up to 15 years in jail for protesting against a genocide that the British Government is supporting by continuing to supply parts to the Israeli airforce.
 
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