Seriously, WTF is going on in this country?

Tangerinenick said:
Useless. Should be guarded with attack dogs and armed officers. Shoot first then question how how dumb they are in an autopsy.
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The RAF used to have a lot of fierce alsations. My father-in-law gave a young one to the RAF because it was too aggressive and apparently untrainable. He heard that its handler was very pleased with the dog’s performance.
 
Superbretty said:
Ok, accepted. However, there was no violence involved, and no threat of violence. How and why is a law introduced to combat terrorism and groups that support terrorism being used to prosecute a direct action protest group? It’s a complete abuse of power. Palestinian Action Group has never killed anyone but is now on a par legally with ISIS. Members can now face up to 15 years in jail for protesting against a genocide that the British Government is supporting by continuing to supply parts to the Israeli airforce.
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I am not wholly disagreeing with you. Protest is a valid option in a democracy. However, if they want to commit criminal damage then they have to think it through properly and be aware of the potential personal consequences. Technically, it was sabotage against our defence forces, even though we are not in a state of war.
 
Moddey Dhoo said:
I am not wholly disagreeing with you. Protest is a valid option in a democracy. However, if they want to commit criminal damage then they have to think it through properly and be aware of the potential personal consequences. Technically, it was sabotage against our defence forces, even though we are not in a state of war.
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Agreed. But I also believe they are sincere in their beliefs that we are supporting a terrorist regime and are acting accordingly as our politicians are likely acting against international law in supporting the crimes taking place in Gaza.
 
Superbretty said:
Agreed. But I also believe they are sincere in their beliefs that we are supporting a terrorist regime and are acting accordingly as our politicians are likely acting against international law in supporting the crimes taking place in Gaza.
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  1. What sort of support are we giving Israel? I presume that's your "terrorist regime";
  2. What role did those jets have in providing that support?
  3. You might think they're a "terrorist regime"; others might think that they're a democracy, horribly attacked on 7/10, who are fighting against terrorists in the form of Hamas, Iran, and the other various proxies.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I've had to reread mine to work out what the hell I was on about. Right...there's a lot of anti-Palestine feeling on this site. I was wondering what the reaction would have been if the protesters had been protesting against the mad mullahs of Iran.
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Think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail frankly. Iran is no threat to us. It has allowed inspections of its nuclear programme for many years. Israel meanwhile DOES have nuclear weapons and is a threat to the whole region. It launched a ‘pre-emptive’ defensive strike, whatever the fuck that is (ie an attack) against Iran knowing Iran would be forced to retaliate. The Israelis did this to draw America into attacking Iran (which is exactly what it wanted to happen)
 
I find it ironic that the news that America dropped a whole load of bombs on Iran has been overshadowed by Trump dropping the F-bomb.

I'm pretty sure the former is more dangerous to world peace than the latter.
 
Superbretty said:
Think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail frankly. Iran is no threat to us. It has allowed inspections of its nuclear programme for many years. Israel meanwhile DOES have nuclear weapons and is a threat to the whole region. It launched a ‘pre-emptive’ defensive strike, whatever the fuck that is (ie an attack) against Iran knowing Iran would be forced to retaliate. The Israelis did this to draw America into attacking Iran (which is exactly what it wanted to happen)
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Err yes that's what I was driving at.
 
Lost Seasider said:
  1. What sort of support are we giving Israel? I presume that's your "terrorist regime";
  2. What role did those jets have in providing that support?
  3. You might think they're a "terrorist regime"; others might think that they're a democracy, horribly attacked on 7/10, who are fighting against terrorists in the form of Hamas, Iran, and the other various proxies.
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We have previously sold Israel weapons in deals worth hundreds of millions. We are still, even at this point providing parts for Israeli f35 fighter jets. They are being used to bomb civilians living in refugee camps in Gaza, where people are already literally, as we speak, starving to death.
It is a terrorist regime. The prime minister and members of his cabinet are subject to arrest by the International Court of Human Rights to face charges for war crimes. Members of the Israeli cabinet have openly said they want to starve the Palestinians. (Do some research, it’s a fact)
Look up the Nabka and how modern day Israel (Palestine) was formed. This conflict did not start on 7th October.
For a little context, I have spent time living in Israel and also in the West Bank. I am not, and have never been anti-Semitic, but trust me
me, the Israelis are the aggressors not the victims. Numerous respected aid organisations are describing current events as a genocide. It is
 
Lost Seasider said:
You might think they're a "terrorist regime"; others might think that they're a democracy, horribly attacked on 7/10, who are fighting against terrorists in the form of Hamas, Iran, and the other various proxies.
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Many people think that the Israelis are acting in a terroristic fashion. The 7/10 attack was shocking and deserved a response. Although it cannot be said it was wholly unexpected given the treatment of 2 million in Gaza and those Palestinians in the West Bank by Israel over decades. Even if it was evil and stupid.

The problem for the West and the World is that the Israelis have gone into an extermination mode over the past two years, destroying all. For example, with the Palestinians destitute and starving, the IDF launch air strikes killing MANY hundreds of desperate Palestinians gathering to receive food supplies, just because the aid given out was organised by the Palestinian police, even though donated by the United Nations.

The IDF even shells people with tank artillery (!!!) attempting to reach food organised by their own token efforts with their shady US-funded aid programme, averaging less than 10 trucks a day when 2 million Palestinians need 100 trucks of food. What is the moral basis for this ? The Israelis cannot argue that all their victims are Hamas.

Netanyahu and his supporting far-right cronies are war criminals, IMHO. And that is what the International Criminal Court thinks.
 
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Zionism is the belief that Israel must exist as a homeland for the Jewish people. If they kept to that, things might be OK.

But no, now these Israeli ultra-Zionists want to drive all Palestinians out of all the land west of the River Jordan. Israeli neo-settlers, often extremist Yantks and always heavily armed, are driving Palestinians out of villages they have lived in for hundreds of years.

And the Israeli Defence Forces stand by, doing nothing, unless a few Palestinian teenagers have the audacity to throw a few stones… and then they shoot them dead. FFS these are atrocities.
 
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