Sir Beer Korma

Scaramanga said:
Any wonder why there’s not been a socialist government near power since 1945 ? Not rocket science.
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Yes, a biased press and Thatcher got lucky with a war. Only Blair showed what a moderate Tory could do pity he's a war criminal.
 
Wizaard said:
And Boris got away with numerous other 'work events' that for some odd reason the Met didn't even question him on them after he said he wasn't there.

This week has demonstrated the full range of his ability to 'forget ' and indeed, outright lie.
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Very few lie like him.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Sir Keir, who as head of the CPS oversaw an organization who labelled thousands of victims of child rape as "child prostitutes who knowingly engaged in their conduct", and as leader of the Labour Party doesn't know if a woman can have a penis or not.

If you're a woman, if you're married to a woman, if you have daughters, nieces, or for that matter sons or nephews, how could you vote for such a man.

Bring it. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
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Did he actually say that about child rape victims ? I’m not disputing it, but if you have a link I would like to see it because I’d like to see the full context. It’s a real worry if it’s how you tell it.
 
Lala said:
Did he actually say that about child rape victims ? I’m not disputing it, but if you have a link I would like to see it because I’d like to see the full context. It’s a real worry if it’s how you tell it.
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He never said it.
 
Lala said:
Did he actually say that about child rape victims ? I’m not disputing it, but if you have a link I would like to see it because I’d like to see the full context. It’s a real worry if it’s how you tell it.
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Not exactly, there's a link to an earlier post here: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/grooming-gangs-no-police-to-be-charged.30549/#post-701028

It was a memo written by the Home Office back in 2008 and allegedly circulated among police forces and presumably the CPS, it's an open question whether Sir Keir was aware of it, although I would be surprised if he was not, nevertheless the policy coincides with his time as head of the CPS so the charge that he oversaw the organization is fair at least.

In any event, we seem to have moved into post-truth politics, what matters is whether the mud sticks or not, and in Sir Keir's case I think there's an awful lot that could.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not exactly, there's a link to an earlier post here: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/grooming-gangs-no-police-to-be-charged.30549/#post-701028

It was a memo written by the Home Office back in 2008 and allegedly circulated among police forces and presumably the CPS, it's an open question whether Sir Keir was aware of it, although I would be surprised if he was not, nevertheless the policy coincides with his time as head of the CPS so the charge that he oversaw the organization is fair at least.

In any event, we seem to have moved into post-truth politics, what matters is whether the mud sticks or not, and in Sir Keir's case I think there's an awful lot that could.
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So to quote him then backtrack to something completely different in three posts. Good effort.
 
Lala said:
Did he actually say that about child rape victims ? I’m not disputing it, but if you have a link I would like to see it because I’d like to see the full context. It’s a real worry if it’s how you tell it.
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No he didn't. This was doing the rounds a couple of years ago tweeted by Nadine Dorries and a couple of other Tory MP's and was soon removed. It was an interview he gave where only part of it was used/ edited by the above to score a cheap point. They deliberately left out the start and end which put it into context. In reality he was saying the opposite. If you Google Keir Starmer child abuse Reuters fact, there is a link which explains it.
I was surprised at the poster in question resorting to this given his obsession with evidence and sources
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not exactly, there's a link to an earlier post here: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/grooming-gangs-no-police-to-be-charged.30549/#post-701028

It was a memo written by the Home Office back in 2008 and allegedly circulated among police forces and presumably the CPS, it's an open question whether Sir Keir was aware of it, although I would be surprised if he was not, nevertheless the policy coincides with his time as head of the CPS so the charge that he oversaw the organization is fair at least.

In any event, we seem to have moved into post-truth politics, what matters is whether the mud sticks or not, and in Sir Keir's case I think there's an awful lot that could.
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So Starmer didn't write it like you originally implied. He has never been home secretary either. If you are going to smear anybody with this shit, it perhaps should have been the home secretary at the time as it came from the Home Office. You are so desperate that you are making stuff up now. Shame on you.
 
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Lala said:
Did he actually say that about child rape victims ? I’m not disputing it, but if you have a link I would like to see it because I’d like to see the full context. It’s a real worry if it’s how you tell it.
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I’m afraid we’re going to have two years of fake news posted by the likes of Lost Seasider infiltrating every social media platform in the country in an effort to keep the Tories in power and protect their donors’ interests. It’s very transparent how they’ve stepped up their attack on the day Starmer has been cleared by the police and effectively cleared to fight the next election.

You only have to look at recent elections both here and in the US to see how effective their tactics can be (witness the efforts of Cambridge Analytica, assisted by the influx of Russian millions).
Let’s hope the British public don’t get fooled again.
 
L’étranger said:
I’m afraid we’re going to have two years of fake news posted by the likes of Lost Seasider infiltrating every social media platform in the country in an effort to keep the Tories in power and protect their donors’ interests. It’s very transparent how they’ve stepped up their attack on the day Starmer has been cleared by the police and effectively cleared to fight the next election.

You only have to look at recent elections both here and in the US to see how effective their tactics can be (witness the efforts of Cambridge Analytica, assisted by the influx of Russian millions).
Let’s hope the British public don’t get fooled again.
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More cultism 😂😂
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
So Starmer didn't write it like you originally implied. He has never been home secretary either. If you are going to smear anybody with this shit, it perhaps should have been the home secretary at the time as it came from the Home Office. You are so desperate that you are making stuff up now. Shame on you.
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I said that was the policy of the organization he headed, something that you are not denying.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I said that was the policy of the organization he headed, something that you are not denying.
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He never headed the home office where the statement came from (according to a post that you made earlier).
As for your Jimmy Savile smear, you are really in the sewer with that one. Proven to be completely untrue.
It's amazing that earlier on in the thread you patronising people for believing that a police investigation was impartial, whereas it seems that you will believe any obviously false trolling that suits your far right agenda.
I'd stick to defending Prince Andrew if I were you,, it makes you seem more normal.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
He never headed the home office where the statement came from (according to a post that you made earlier).
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He headed the CPS, you don't deny that, it appears to have been CPS policy, you don't deny that either.


ElBurroSinNombre said:
As for your Jimmy Savile smear, you are really in the sewer with that one. Proven to be completely untrue.
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I'm just saying how they'll spin it, true or not it's believable enough to stick.

The leftists really f***ing hate it when you play them at their own game.
 
Lost Seasider said:
He headed the CPS, you don't deny that, it appears to have been CPS policy, you don't deny that either.




I'm just saying how they'll spin it, true or not it's believable enough to stick.

The leftists really f***ing hate it when you play them at their own game.
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Savile smear is untrue and has been proven to be untrue.

www.independent.co.uk

PM backs down on Savile smear and admits Keir Starmer had ‘nothing to do’ with case

Humiliating climbdown but no apology from prime minister over ‘disgraceful’ slur on Labour leader
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

But you would rather believe the UK equivalent of QAnon.

It's amazing that Kier Starmer, who I am sure has prosecuted many more sex offenders than you have, seems to be a target of yours. It wasn't so long ago that you were offering fulsome support to Prince Andrew.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Savile smear is untrue and has been proven to be untrue.

www.independent.co.uk

PM backs down on Savile smear and admits Keir Starmer had ‘nothing to do’ with case

Humiliating climbdown but no apology from prime minister over ‘disgraceful’ slur on Labour leader
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

But you would rather believe the UK equivalent of QAnon.

It's amazing that Kier Starmer, who I am sure has prosecuted many more sex offenders than you have, seems to be a target of yours. It wasn't so long ago that you were offering fulsome support to Prince Andrew.
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You're not disputing the core claim.

In any event, whether it's true or not is irrelevant, what matters is that it can be spun this way, and spin is the game New Labour gave to us all.
 
Lost Seasider said:
He headed the CPS, you don't deny that, it appears to have been CPS policy, you don't deny that either.



I'm just saying how they'll spin it, true or not it's believable enough to stick.

The leftists really f***ing hate it when you play them at their own game.
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Cam you explain how a leaked home office memo was actually CPS policy endorsed by Starmer? Different organisations and not a shred of evidence that it was policy. You even admit that there is no evidence that Starmer even saw the memo.

You are officially the AVFTT QAnon shaman!
Congratulations.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Cam you explain how a leaked home office memo was actually CPS policy endorsed by Starmer? Different organisations and not a shred of evidence that it was policy. You even admit that there is no evidence that Starmer even saw the memo.

You are officially the AVFTT QAnon shaman!
Congratulations.
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The source for the claim was a public prosecutor employed by the CPS.
 
If I hear 'leftist' or 'rightist' or bloody Twitter fake news bollocks again on here I swear I'm going to hack the site so a message simply saying GROW THE FUCK UP displays instead.
 
It's a real concern and possibly a window into wiser society that we have posters who defended Johnson to the hilt, refer to general questioning of govt policies and actions as the loony left and post untrue stories about the opposition leader. I'm yet to see any revolutionary communist maniacs on here. Its also a strange that people can't question brexit, you get shut down with insults opposed to facts.
Its normal in a free and democratic nation to voice concern about any government be it left or right, it's a healthy thing.
 
When Sir Keir looks at the eight Tory's up for the leaders job and their diversity in ethnic background and sex he must be concerned that with a few exceptions his shadow cabinet just don't look up for it. Labour have never had a woman leader and probably never will which is amazing.
 
Shandypants said:
It's a real concern and possibly a window into wiser society that we have posters who defended Johnson to the hilt, refer to general questioning of govt policies and actions as the loony left and post untrue stories about the opposition leader. I'm yet to see any revolutionary communist maniacs on here. Its also a strange that people can't question brexit, you get shut down with insults opposed to facts.
Its normal in a free and democratic nation to voice concern about any government be it left or right, it's a healthy thing.
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A lot wouldn't know a left winger if they barged into one on the touchline, or anywhere else, for that matter.
 
I hold no candle for any particular leader at the moment - they’re all pretty dire and uninspiring imo and I am glad that Boris is going. But the one thing we will never know is what the outcome with Durham Police would have been if KS hadn’t come out with his ‘if I am fined I will resign’ statement thereby immediately putting the Force in a difficult position. Let’s face it we are talking about fixed penalty notices that go through no judicial process - it is the police’s assessment of the incident. If he’s caught on a speeding camera will he be as quick to say he’ll resign if he’s fined for that. After all that is equally wrong. What is being argued about is a matter of degrees. London was a shambles as per Sue Gray. What happened in Beergate was poor leadership at a different level. He could easily have said - actually no this isn’t really on when so
Many others have obeyed the rules. Let’s just take the sandwiches back to our rooms on our own. Anyway I am not aware of any household near me that didn’t outright break or bend the rules at least once during the lockdown periods. So I’m not sure the level of hysteria about breaches is totally justified in any event - there’s a lot of hypocrisy to go around for everyone.

Anyway just going to get my Tin Hat and body armour out of the loft now for all of the incoming. In the words of Capt. E Blackadder ‘Good Luck everyone!’
 
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