So Rachel didn’t tell the truth then🤷🏻‍♂️

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Threepeaksphil

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Rachel said she dropped the idea of a 2% rise in income tax due to finding the countries finances being in a better state than expected. However the Office of Budget responsibility have come out today she knew the position was much better well before when she was talking doom and gloom. Please just be honest with the general public PLEASE
 
She needs to go after this recent balls up! I was prepared to give Labour a go, they told us everything was costed, but there was a £20bn black hole in finances and everyone needed to play their part in helping the situation mend (unless you’re on benefits you get extra £) how generous and fluffy!
They’re a shower of shit, screwed businesses, pensioners, and anyone else who dares to dream big and better themselves.

Labour aren’t worth a sink full of cold piss!
 
So “ changed my mind” is now not allowed.

I thought about doing something, way before the budget, but nobody else liked it, so I changed my mind!!!!

Some of you lot want gun boats to shoot people on dinghies in the channel…. But changing your mind is unacceptable…. ?
 
Threepeaksphil said:
Rachel said she dropped the idea of a 2% rise in income tax due to finding the countries finances being in a better state than expected. However the Office of Budget responsibility have come out today she knew the position was much better well before when she was talking doom and gloom. Please just be honest with the general public PLEASE
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But she implemented the rise (and more) via the back door by extending the freeze.

Disingenuous at best - I call it an outright lie.
 
Threepeaksphil said:
Rachel said she dropped the idea of a 2% rise in income tax due to finding the countries finances being in a better state than expected. However the Office of Budget responsibility have come out today she knew the position was much better well before when she was talking doom and gloom. Please just be honest with the general public PLEASE
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Obsession, obsession, obsession. She is happily married you know. Stop stalking her lol.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
So “ changed my mind” is now not allowed.

I thought about doing something, way before the budget, but nobody else liked it, so I changed my mind!!!!

Some of you lot want gun boats to shoot people on dinghies in the channel…. But changing your mind is unacceptable…. ?
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seems to happen an awful lot under this govt. But hey, no surprise you making weak excuses for them. And that's what they are. Weak!

Are you taking over the mantle from Mex, in making things up. Anyone on here said about gun boats to shoot people. Maybe it's why 66 has left this board. He could no longer handle having to defend this govt.
 
20togo said:
seems to happen an awful lot under this govt. But hey, no surprise you making weak excuses for them. And that's what they are. Weak!

Are you taking over the mantle from Mex, in making things up. Anyone on here said about gun boats to shoot people. Maybe it's why 66 has left this board. He could no longer handle having to defend this govt.
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So are you saying that people aren’t allowed to change their minds about a specific issue and if they do they are “weak”?

I believe those people who have made a decision and then can see others point of view and then decide to change their opinions are the ones who should be in power.

Are you suggesting that people should be held responsible no matter what the situation is…if they side with someone or a situation they cannot change their mind and they should be held accountable no matter what?
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
So are you saying that people aren’t allowed to change their minds about a specific issue and if they do they are “weak”?

I believe those people who have made a decision and then can see others point of view and then decide to change their opinions are the ones who should be in power.

Are you suggesting that people should be held responsible no matter what the situation is…if they side with someone or a situation they cannot change their mind and they should be held accountable no matter what?
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they bowed to will of non stop justified criticism did they not? Bit more than just changing their mind. Or are you trying to suggest their original decision was ill thought out? But what is amusing that people on here vociferously backed all these initial changes and now do so with their u-turns. If ever there was a case of blindly following a political party this is it.
 
That unusual pre-budget, live press conference she held in Downing Street was part of this manufactured 'U- turn' strategy. Political and financial commentators, and everyone else thought it was bizarre at the time. And that, plus other briefings from her, other ministers and Treasury officials have unsettled the markets at times.
It is now obvious that she and Starmer are getting pushed from pillar to post by the Labour backbenchers and the opinion polls and this was a hamfisted attempt to save themselves, as was the briefings on leadership challenges.
The ironic thing is that, other than some Labour backbenchers and benefit claimants, she has managed to wind up everyone else, who will be forced to pay more
 
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911_Kirky said:
She needs to go after this recent balls up! I was prepared to give Labour a go, they told us everything was costed, but there was a £20bn black hole in finances and everyone needed to play their part in helping the situation mend (unless you’re on benefits you get extra £) how generous and fluffy!
They’re a shower of shit, screwed businesses, pensioners, and anyone else who dares to dream big and better themselves.

Labour aren’t worth a sink full of cold piss!
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We really need to stop thinking only one set of politicians are liars - they all are. Farage, Starmer, Corbyn, Zak, Sultana, Davey. Labour, Lib Dem’s, Greens, Tories, Reform.

You’re better saying “Politicians aren’t worth a sink full of cold p*ss” instead. As long as we have the career politicians that we currently see, being lied to will always happen.
 
A lot of the regular posters are stunned Rachel Reeves is still Chancellor. They were used to the Tories having a new one every fortnight.
 
To put it straight I am not a fan of this budget but the attack on the Chancellor by the Tory Leader is just utterly pathetic.
 
Matesrates said:
We’ve been scammed
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Eh???? Of what? She clearly said she wanted £22 billions in leeway for the budget and that's what she has, theoretically at least, and now she's the darling of the City which is all that matters to her rn. She based her figures on those the OBR provided which change every other day, good cover for lying. Fear not we'll get our crumbs nearer to the election when everyone will realise she's played a blinder.
 
bleach51 said:
She is clearly not up to the job…and sadly I doubt any of her colleagues are.The attack on her credibility was well deserved.
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I really think the attack is bonkers. Our public sector financial position is a mess and if she had described it in any other way would have lacked any credibility. Personally I think she ridden the storm despite the chaotic communications beforehand
 
The Tories tried to cut taxes to leave a minimal safety level. It failed disastrously, leaving us in the mire.

The better news than expected allows a margin even though Labour are investing far more in the country's infrastructure and people. What's the problem?
 
The pressure is mounting, an unnamed cabinet minister has told the Tomes that the cabinet were not told about the revised obr forecast. This is seriously damaging for both Reeves and Starmer, who both hid this information from their own cabinet.
 
Meanwhile Labour MP Tulip Siddiq has been sentenced to 2 years imprisonment absentia in Bangladesh for illegally receiving land of her Aunt who just happened to be the former prime minister of Bangladesh. 😂
 
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Matesrates said:
The pressure is mounting, an unnamed cabinet minister has told the Tomes that the cabinet were not told about the revised obr forecast. This is seriously damaging for both Reeves and Starmer, who both hid this information from their own cabinet.
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How did we end up with such dreadful people. Let’s hope the party kick both out. Andy Burnhan must be an improvement
 
I think Starmer and RR thought this would blow over but it’s still making headlines in the press. People who lie eventually get found out and it’s damaging voters already poor option of politicians
 
Wizaard said:
The Tories tried to cut taxes to leave a minimal safety level. It failed disastrously, leaving us in the mire.

The better news than expected allows a margin even though Labour are investing far more in the country's infrastructure and people. What's the problem?
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A fully costed manifesto had £8bn of tax rises.

We're currently at £66bn and 3.5 years to go.
 
A politician told porkies.
In other news night followed day.
Anyone who believes politicians represent the masses is deluded imo.
Red/Blue/ Yellow/ Green or any other colour they have one thing in common.
They protect their own interests first.
 
The right-wing media and Badenoch actually want the chancellor to resign because she didn't put income tax? - the world has gone mad. A lot of the pre budget speculation was just that - extrapolations from minimal information. It's all froth.
It seems that any chancellor these days is a slave to the OBR forecasts that are often inaccurate. And the markets also listen to the same OBR forecasts and react accordingly. But there is good reason for it.
Anyone remember Truss's 'fiscal event' - it was called that precisely because she wanted to avoid OBR scrutiny and could do if she didn't call it a budget.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The right-wing media and Badenoch actually want the chancellor to resign because she didn't put income tax? - the world has gone mad. A lot of the pre budget speculation was just that - extrapolations from minimal information. It's all froth.
It seems that any chancellor these days is a slave to the OBR forecasts that are often inaccurate. And the markets also listen to the same OBR forecasts and react accordingly. But there is good reason for it.
Anyone remember Truss's 'fiscal event' - it was called that precisely because she wanted to avoid OBR scrutiny and could do if she didn't call it a budget.
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what a joke post. They want her to resign because she lied. She broke the ministerial code.

Whether she should or not doesn't bother me
 
20togo said:
what a joke post. They want her to resign because she lied. She broke the ministerial code.

Whether she should or not doesn't bother me
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I feel the same. Am not bothered either way if she resigns.
But as you said, she has lied to the public, and played us, and in a very sneaky way.
That’s actually not ok. She’s paid to do a job, and that’s manage OUR national finances, finances that belong to all of us, as we are the ones funding this whole shebang.
If a financial advisor was spinning you a story regarding your own money, you’d soon jump ship and even report them for misconduct.
 
20togo said:
what a joke post. They want her to resign because she lied. She broke the ministerial code.

Whether she should or not doesn't bother me
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You cannot categorically say that unless you believe everything that is printed in the Daily Telegraph.

There is a suggestion from Badenoch and her right-wing media cronies that Reeves has lied and broken the ministerial code, clearly this is part of a political strategy. Nothing has been proved or disproved, there may be an investigation, maybe not. I doubt that she will be fired over this. However, the last time that it was rumoured that Reeves was about to be fired, the markets reacted badly. This can have a very real effect on everyone, interest rates can be affected for instance by the sacking of a chancellor. Are you happy that these politicians and newspaper editors want to play fast and loose with the economy to score political points with potentially negative consequences for ordinary people? It's not a game, it has very real consequences.

There is always speculation around budgets, Reeves can and should learn something from this experience. In future don't brief, don't leak, keep your mouth shut and sack anyone who opens theirs.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
You cannot categorically say that unless you believe everything that is printed in the Daily Telegraph.

There is a suggestion from Badenoch and her right-wing media cronies that Reeves has lied and broken the ministerial code, clearly this is part of a political strategy. Nothing has been proved or disproved, there may be an investigation, maybe not. I doubt that she will be fired over this. However, the last time that it was rumoured that Reeves was about to be fired, the markets reacted badly. This can have a very real effect on everyone, interest rates can be affected for instance by the sacking of a chancellor. Are you happy that these politicians and newspaper editors want to play fast and loose with the economy to score political points with potentially negative consequences for ordinary people? It's not a game, it has very real consequences.

There is always speculation around budgets, Reeves can and should learn something from this experience. In future don't brief, don't leak, keep your mouth shut and sack anyone who leaks sensitive information.
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Ah got you, so it's only readers of the Telegraph that think she's lied. You are getting as bad as Wiz for deflecting. And that takes some doing.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The right-wing media and Badenoch actually want the chancellor to resign because she didn't put income tax? - the world has gone mad. A lot of the pre budget speculation was just that - extrapolations from minimal information. It's all froth.
It seems that any chancellor these days is a slave to the OBR forecasts that are often inaccurate. And the markets also listen to the same OBR forecasts and react accordingly. But there is good reason for it.
Anyone remember Truss's 'fiscal event' - it was called that precisely because she wanted to avoid OBR scrutiny and could do if she didn't call it a budget.
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You do know she was quoting from the OBR forecasts on the emergency speech on the 4th November.

It's a shame she only quoted the downsides and not the balanced picture with upsides > the downsides.

It's hard to believe that's accidental and like many, I don't appreciate the blatant manipulation of the public.

At worst for her, the FCA could judge this as market manipulation. Don't think they will but it is a criminal offence
 
From what I’ve just heard on the radio the OBR(?) found some evidence that changed their position and suddenly, the budget the government had been working on, completely changed.

Supposedly the chancellor kept the budget as they had been working on and had to check it out to see what effects it would have.

Imagine if the government just blurted it out that everything was going to change….and then they found out that the information wasn’t going to be right….and they had to swap it back…it’s just common sense to double check but the gammons smell blood and they will never stop until they get what they wanted
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
From what I’ve just heard on the radio the OBR(?) found some evidence that changed their position and suddenly, the budget the government had been working on, completely changed.

Supposedly the chancellor kept the budget as they had been working on and had to check it out to see what effects it would have.

Imagine if the government just blurted it out that everything was going to change….and then they found out that the information wasn’t going to be right….and they had to swap it back…it’s just common sense to double check but the gammons smell blood and they will never stop until they get what they wanted
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blah,blah,blah! Duck and dive,duck and dive, deflect and deflect. That's all you loony left have got in the locker now. hahaha.
 
20togo said:
Ah got you, so it's only readers of the Telegraph that think she's lied. You are getting as bad as Wiz for deflecting. And that takes some doing.
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It's all the right wing papers who are determined to wreck the country and blame Labour. All owned by off shore individuals. No coincidence.
 
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