Squad of 22

voyeur

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Apparently doesn't include GKs or U21s.

Currently

Bold = players who don't count
CAPITALS = players likely to leave

GK Maxwell Sims
RB Turton Howe
LB Husband
CB Ekpiteta Nottingham Thorniley
DM Virtue Robson Williams GARRITY Antwi
AM Anderson Ward Sarkic DEVITT Shaw
CA Yates Nuttall Madine
WA Hamilton Kaikai Feeney YUSSUF

If Devitt, Garrity and Yussuf move on, we would have 18 qualifying players, I think, leaving four places. Yussuf might be an immovable object though, so might be three places. Outside chance of Feeney leaving.
 
Apparently doesn't include GKs or U21s.

Currently

Bold = players who don't count
CAPITALS = players likely to leave

GK Maxwell Sims
RB Turton Howe
LB Husband
CB Ekpiteta Nottingham Thorniley
DM Virtue Robson Williams GARRITY Antwi
AM Anderson Ward Sarkic DEVITT Shaw
CA Yates Nuttall Madine
WA Hamilton Kaikai Feeney YUSSUF

If Devitt, Garrity and Yussuf move on, we would have 18 qualifying players, I think, leaving four places. Yussuf might be an immovable object though, so might be three places. Outside chance of Feeney leaving.

Im not convinced Garrity will leave. At 23 I’m not sure what a loan to League Two or the conference will do for him.

I can see him being in our rotational plans.

It’ll be interesting to see if we can pay up Devitt or Yussuf, if that money counts towards the cap. It may just be worth it to clear a squad place. Like I’ve said before Devitt is happy to see out his contract here regardless of playing time.
 
So assuming we’ve got 4 “slots” left, after outgoings etc.

I’d want a centre back, a left back, a sub goalkeeper and possible another versatile midfield player. Wether they come on loan or not, doesn’t seem too much of a problem.

Fojticek and Mitchell would fill 2 of those slots very nicely.
 
Im not convinced Garrity will leave. At 23 I’m not sure what a loan to League Two or the conference will do for him.

I can see him being in our rotational plans.

It’ll be interesting to see if we can pay up Devitt or Yussuf, if that money counts towards the cap. It may just be worth it to clear a squad place. Like I’ve said before Devitt is happy to see out his contract here regardless of playing time.
Garrity is believed to be heading out on loan. I would expect that paying up a contract wouldn't exempt that money from the cap. Why would it? It would work against the reason for having the cap, of controlling expenditure.
 
Garrity is believed to be heading out on loan. I would expect that paying up a contract wouldn't exempt that money from the cap. Why would it? It would work against the reason for having the cap, of controlling expenditure.

Where’s that come from about Garrity? depends what NC has seen in training.

yeh you’re probably right about the cap, Devitt and Yussuf have become a bit of a headache for the management.
 
Not sure how this works. Can u say x, y & z’ are not in my squad and if so, do they still count for salary cap purposes?
 
I thought players already on your books didn’t count?
 
They count as being ‘average wage for the division’ ... so if u have 22 of them u really don’t have much leeway

Ah I really don’t understand the wage cap to be honest, thankfully I’m not in charge of the club. 🤪
 
Apparently doesn't include GKs or U21s.

Currently

Bold = players who don't count
CAPITALS = players likely to leave

GK Maxwell Sims
RB Turton Howe
LB Husband
CB Ekpiteta Nottingham Thorniley
DM Virtue Robson Williams GARRITY Antwi
AM Anderson Ward Sarkic DEVITT Shaw
CA Yates Nuttall Madine
WA Hamilton Kaikai Feeney YUSSUF

If Devitt, Garrity and Yussuf move on, we would have 18 qualifying players, I think, leaving four places. Yussuf might be an immovable object though, so might be three places. Outside chance of Feeney leaving.

Defence looks lacking
 
I'm sure it was Scrafters who said Garrity was heading out. I think you can employ as many players as you want within the salary cap but you can only have 22 (over 21s) + goalies in your squad.
Players signed pre-cap are included at average wage if you are paying them more.
I assume wages for u/21 and apprentices don't count.
 
It was Scrafters after the Barrow(?) game, may have been the Everton one. He’s been left out the last two friendlies now, one of which Devitt even featured in. I wouldn’t be surprised if we wait until we’ve a deal with an incoming player agreed before loaning out. Take McDonald heading out and Williams in a few days later. There could be a deal agreed with Garrity, hence why he’s not featuring in friendlies as it’s not beneficial to us when there’s other that need game time, that will only be activated once we bring someone else in, to stop from leaving us short. Just a theory.
 
Yes Scrafton said it. Reckon he's been out of the squad as we are talking to a club. Same with Devitt on Saturday. Would have been on the bench otherwise.
 
Fair enough. I must have missed it. He’s been a bit unlucky Ben coming in right before a manager gets potted.

He ll probably end up like a Devitt or Yussuf and never play a game for us.

so of those three go that’s four squad places?
Probably another keeper, a left back, another central defender. Then maybe save the last place for and outstanding loan player?
 
Alex Fojticek.
🎵 All in all you're just another brick in the wall. 🎵
Not many more bricks needed now but time to say goodbye to some, methinks. 😀
 
I heard a rumour Feeney's leaving I hope not thought he was one of best performers for us last season and with this new side fit in very well
 
I would prefer Feeney to stay as well, but only if he is going to play mostly on the right.
This salary cap has probably come in at a bad time for us? Just when we have an owner who seems willing to invest sensibly in players.
It is really quite restrictive I think, and will limit our use of loan players by the looks of it. It is a development that could keep us in League One for longer without a bit of luck. It may well reduce the quality of football on offer as well.
Having said all that it is probably to the benefit of most of the clubs and the integrity of League One itself, so probably not a bad thing overall.
 
Feeney had a good season last season with the amount of assists (crosses) into the box , but he does look as though he has lost a yard of pace, so don't think it would be the end of the world if he did leave.
 
Well we have seen Garrity now so wonder whether any loan plans for him have gone west? If Fenney goes anywhere it can only be salary cap related.

said all along the cap is a mistake. The longer we fail to escape this division the harder it will be to get up and then stay up.
 
I would prefer Feeney to stay as well, but only if he is going to play mostly on the right.
This salary cap has probably come in at a bad time for us? Just when we have an owner who seems willing to invest sensibly in players.
It is really quite restrictive I think, and will limit our use of loan players by the looks of it. It is a development that could keep us in League One for longer without a bit of luck. It may well reduce the quality of football on offer as well.
Having said all that it is probably to the benefit of most of the clubs and the integrity of League One itself, so probably not a bad thing overall.
Blackpool voted for the cap so presumably Sadler was ok with it.
 
Blackpool voted for the cap so presumably Sadler was ok with it.

Fair enough. I am sure that is a sign of integrity on his part, and I am not against it in principle.
I was just suggesting that just when we are seemingly flush and others in League One are very weak we find ourselves hampered by an external financial limit after 30 years or so of an internal one.
Let’s hope it won’t matter.
 
Feeney had a good season last season with the amount of assists (crosses) into the box , but he does look as though he has lost a yard of pace, so don't think it would be the end of the world if he did leave.

His big problem is a lack of goals as well isn’t it? First one in 100 games last season?
Could be a decent sub for CJ on the right of a three if he can’t cut any ice though?
 
Well we have seen Garrity now so wonder whether any loan plans for him have gone west? If Fenney goes anywhere it can only be salary cap related.

said all along the cap is a mistake. The longer we fail to escape this division the harder it will be to get up and then stay up.


I agree. It’s a massive step up to the Championship nowadays from here especially in terms of wages, and I think the salary cap will just make it harder to “pre load” your squad before you get there.
 
Fair enough. I am sure that is a sign of integrity on his part, and I am not against it in principle.
I was just suggesting that just when we are seemingly flush and others in League One are very weak we find ourselves hampered by an external financial limit after 30 years or so of an internal one.
Let’s hope it won’t matter.
Sadler presumably doesn't want to throw mega millions at it. Probably doesn't have mega millions. The youth model suggests a self sustaining kind of future. We have spent 400k on transfer fees and have opted to stick to a salary cap at £2.5million, so Sadler isn't the last of the big spenders. He wants a community club, good training facilities, academy, young player development, player sales to finance development and team building etc.
 
Sadler presumably doesn't want to throw mega millions at it. Probably doesn't have mega millions. The youth model suggests a self sustaining kind of future. We have spent 400k on transfer fees and have opted to stick to a salary cap at £2.5million, so Sadler isn't the last of the big spenders. He wants a community club, good training facilities, academy, young player development, player sales to finance development and team building etc.

For sure, and I am sure we all appreciate and applaud that.
He has also I think stated that remaining in League One is not a sustainable business position as well, and I am sure most of us hope we could spend more years in the Championship than Leagues 1 and 2 while he is here.
Anyway I am not here to argue if I can help it. I just hope the salary cap doesn’t stop our obvious progress in it’s tracks.
 
For sure, and I am sure we all appreciate and applaud that.
He has also I think stated that remaining in League One is not a sustainable business position as well, and I am sure most of us hope we could spend more years in the Championship than Leagues 1 and 2 while he is here.
Anyway I am not here to argue if I can help it. I just hope the salary cap doesn’t stop our obvious progress in it’s tracks.
It seems to me that the Championship is possibly the least sustainable league to be in. With a salary cap of £2.5m, League One is relatively affordable. 5000 season tickets and about 2500 match day tickets per home league game cover that. And there is other income to cover other costs. Wages in the Championship are much much higher. Without significantly more income available.
 
It seems to me that the Championship is possibly the least sustainable league to be in. With a salary cap of £2.5m, League One is relatively affordable. 5000 season tickets and about 2500 match day tickets per home league game cover that. And there is other income to cover other costs. Wages in the Championship are much much higher. Without significantly more income available.

I certainly won’t argue with that. On the other hand if we cannot aspire to progress at all then much as I like watching football I will certainly take a lot less interest.
 
I make it we now have 22 players who are 21 or older. Sims is 21. Signing Fojticek suggests keepers count, or we would probably have signed a more experienced keeper.

Brackets = players who don't count
CAPITALS = players likely to leave

GK Maxwell Sims (Fojticek)
RB Turton Howe
LB Husband
CB Ekpiteta Nottingham Thorniley
DM Virtue Robson Williams GARRITY (Antwi)
AM Anderson Ward Sarkic DEVITT (Shaw)
CA Yates Nuttall Madine
WA Hamilton Kaikai Feeney

It's clear we are trying to loan Garrity and Devitt out. Hopefully Howe too. Create 3 places.
 
Do you have to submit your 22 man squad on transfer deadline day? Then not change it till next window?
 
Scrafton just tweeted that the current squad number won't stop recruitment, but the club are bound by only naming 22 players in the final squad.
Obviously the salary cap plays a part in this, but you wouldn't imagine Garrity is on such a large contract that it would stop someone of real importance to the first XI being brought in should such a player be identified.
It may well be that we see another couple of players arriving and the squad being finalised, and then Garrity & Devitt being moved out, especially with the deadline being so much later this year.
 
Do you have to submit your 22 man squad on transfer deadline day? Then not change it till next window?
I imagine if you declared less than 22 you can add say free transfers to it after deadline day. And there will be plenty of those knocking around.So as Voy says teams are probably going to leave space and make it clear to transfer listed players that they aren’t getting a game unless they get fixed up elsewhere pronto and this year they don’t count in the cap if not in the squad. What a palaver!
 
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So am puzzled again now.
It's clear that u/21s don't count towards the salary cap.
BUT do u/21s form part of the "named" squad of 22?
Peterborough have named a squad of 22 including u/21s (why are they doing this so early anyway???)
Scrafters refers to a 22 man squad of SENIOR players?
 
So am puzzled again now.
It's clear that u/21s don't count towards the salary cap.
BUT do u/21s form part of the "named" squad of 22?
Peterborough have named a squad of 22 including u/21s (why are they doing this so early anyway???)
Scrafters refers to a 22 man squad of SENIOR players?
You are allowed up to 2 players who are 21+ and you can also have as many U21s as you want, but the salary cap applies to everyone in the named 22. Peterborough must have hit the salary cap with their 22, I reckon.
 
I think what is most alarming about all of this is that there is such little clarity available over who/what counts for the squad size and salary cap.

Should there not be some clear and definite rules about this issued by the Football League?
I don't doubt that the information Luke Willson has provided above is anything but correct, but why are these things being asked and answered over social media when the very organisation responsible for these measures have the channels available to remove all doubt and confusion.
 
I make it we now have 22 players who are 21 or older. Sims is 21. Signing Fojticek suggests keepers count, or we would probably have signed a more experienced keeper.

Brackets = players who don't count
CAPITALS = players likely to leave

GK Maxwell Sims (Fojticek)
RB Turton Howe
LB Husband
CB Ekpiteta Nottingham Thorniley
DM Virtue Robson Williams GARRITY (Antwi)
AM Anderson Ward Sarkic DEVITT (Shaw)
CA Yates Nuttall Madine
WA Hamilton Kaikai Feeney

It's clear we are trying to loan Garrity and Devitt out. Hopefully Howe too. Create 3 places.
You can capitalise the keepers. They don't count.
 
Going off the squad numbers, without Devitt we have 21 senior players. Get Garrity out on loan as well and thats room for Mitchell and a CH. That would put us in a decent position going into the season in my opinion.
 
League One and League Two will be restricted even further, with a limit of 22 registered players agreed. Clubs also agreed to decrease the overall figure further to a maximum of 20 players in the lower tier in 2021/22.

All the more reason to kick on this season.
 
The more I read the more confused I get.
I did think looking at the EFL Regulations might help but it doesn't look like they have committed anything to writing yet. 😁
 
I dont understand why we voted for this at all, but thoes at the club know more than I do. Just seems a bit odd, especially the player limit.
 
Overall it will focus the minds of chairman and manager to not hoard a host of players that are nowhere near the starting squad. 20 players is still a lot of options when you think about it.
Football can only be better for more home grown players and salary caps. The older fans still post how they remember the players in the 50s and 60s bring on sensible wages and travelling on public transport. Did fans then feel a closer affinity to the players and club than a Citeh fan does to a £300k a week primadonna now?
 
The squad number restriction alongside the salary cap is madness. It should be up to the individual clubs to decide how many players they want in their squad if the bottom line is that they can only spend the same amount as every other team in the division.
The fact it has been introduced for the season which will see more fixture congestion than ever before is even more ridiculous.
 
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