Swansea away next month - covid passport required ?

[brightontangerine]

Looking at the Welsh covid rules that came into force today, it certainly seems that either a covid passport or negative test result will be required . Any sporting event with more than 10,000 seems to be the criteria .

Pretty easy answer to it all just get the vaccine and the more of us have it the Less virus there is running around and all this will all die down sooner and can get back to something like normal. Getting really tired of all the bullocks people are coming out with to not have it.
Don't believe all the Facebook rubbish just get it. In the meantime I'm you'll just have to stay away from events where it's compulsory and have a good moan about it.

 

[Brazil]

Not the Algarve (or at least not Faro and Albufeira). Was there two weeks ago and didn't have to show my vaccine status except when arriving in the country.

Well,I´m not down there but I´ve probably missed something. I just know you have to wear a mask indoors( cafés etc) but obviously take off when eating or drinking. The vaccine status doc was obligatory but it´s obviously not know. I rarely sit inside anywhere anyway, as I prefer to be outsie when a having a drink etc.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

I did see quite a funny video that came up on FB, but found it on YouTube. Not every bit relevant to the UK but still, made me chuckle.

I particularly enjoyed him shilling the questionable pills at the end after complaining about profiteering in medication.

 

[Malced]

Lots of differing views on this.
This is my position on Covid:-

1. It is a real thing, and incredibly nasty if it grips you.
2. Masks are next to useless and there’s very little evidence to say otherwise.
3. Vaccinations are wonderful. They reduce the chance of you catching it but their main health benefit is to reduce chance of Covid making you seriously ill or causing you to die.
4. Covid passports are unnecessary and have no place in a free society. They are a dangerous step in a slippery slope to losing our freedoms. We are in danger of sleepwalking into a new normal where we are all tracked and have to be showing a credential at our every turn whether that be going into a shop or getting on a bus or going to the cinema or the pub. They are discriminatory, divisive, will exclude people from society, and they are intrusive. I’ve nothing to hide but once these are in wider use the data will be misused in ways we can’t yet imagine. Technology is great but we can’t be slaves to it or to controlling governments and their over-reach.

 

[Bottle]

Lots of differing views on this.
This is my position on Covid:-

1. It is a real thing, and incredibly nasty if it grips you.
2. Masks are next to useless and there’s very little evidence to say otherwise.
3. Vaccinations are wonderful. They reduce the chance of you catching it but their main health benefit is to reduce chance of Covid making you seriously ill or causing you to die.
4. Covid passports are unnecessary and have no place in a free society. They are a dangerous step in a slippery slope to losing our freedoms. We are in danger of sleepwalking into a new normal where we are all tracked and have to be showing a credential at our every turn whether that be going into a shop or getting on a bus or going to the cinema or the pub. They are discriminatory, divisive, will exclude people from society, and they are intrusive. I’ve nothing to hide but once these are in wider use the data will be misused in ways we can’t yet imagine. Technology is great but we can’t be slaves to it or to controlling governments and their over-reach.

Driving your car anywhere and your registration plate triggers any number of NPR devices that are now commonplace on motorways/service stations/roads/shop car parks etc. Using a mobile phone “pings” any number of telecom relays that are nearest your location. Using your Debit/Credit card at any terminal marks your location.

How many times have you discussed some topic close to your phone or an Alexa type device only to find adverts showing the very thing you were discussing cropping up on your tablet/mobile phone. Going abroad? Passport please leaving your biometric data, placing a thumb on a reader at the exit gate at Palma airport etc.

We leave “breadcrumbs” wherever we go and whatever we do and a lot of people make it even easier by “checking in” on facebook and detail every event in their lives.

We already provide enough information just going about our daily lives, the listeners are already listening - they must be bored out of their tiny minds.

It’s too late Malc the Genie is out of the bottle (so to speak!) and it’s not going back in anytime soon!

 

[Always tangerine]

Lots of differing views on this.
This is my position on Covid:-

1. It is a real thing, and incredibly nasty if it grips you.
2. Masks are next to useless and there’s very little evidence to say otherwise.
3. Vaccinations are wonderful. They reduce the chance of you catching it but their main health benefit is to reduce chance of Covid making you seriously ill or causing you to die.
4. Covid passports are unnecessary and have no place in a free society. They are a dangerous step in a slippery slope to losing our freedoms. We are in danger of sleepwalking into a new normal where we are all tracked and have to be showing a credential at our every turn whether that be going into a shop or getting on a bus or going to the cinema or the pub. They are discriminatory, divisive, will exclude people from society, and they are intrusive. I’ve nothing to hide but once these are in wider use the data will be misused in ways we can’t yet imagine. Technology is great but we can’t be slaves to it or to controlling governments and their over-reach.

Evidence re masks , from what I've seen , even in the UK most experts seem to say there is some gain from wearing them . In any case many other countries require them indoors and on transport. I've been in France recently and felt much safer there than here , with everyone wearing masks on transport and vaccine pass required for indoor venues. More measures in schools too. Last week's stats , daily cases in last week 4-5000 in France 2,500 per day in Italy and 1,500 in Spain. 40- 45,000 per day here. Was around 28,000 per day about 6 or 7 weeks ago.
I've no problem with a vaccine pass if it helps control cases and more cautious or vulnerable people feel safer going out

 

[Malced]

Evidence re masks , from what I've seen , even in the UK most experts seem to say there is some gain from wearing them . In any case many other countries require them indoors and on transport. I've been in France recently and felt much safer there than here , with everyone wearing masks on transport and vaccine pass required for indoor venues. More measures in schools too. Last week's stats , daily cases in last week 4-5000 in France 2,500 per day in Italy and 1,500 in Spain. 40- 45,000 per day here. Was around 28,000 per day about 6 or 7 weeks ago.
I've no problem with a vaccine pass if it helps control cases and more cautious or vulnerable people feel safer going out

Early in the pandemic Van Tamm amd some of his esteemed colleagues said that masks hat been a source of debate for over 15 years during his career and there was very little evidence of benefits. He however said there were indeed disbenefits to wearing them. Later the UK adopted them based on some new WHO evidence that there was some limited benefit in certain settings. So it’s very little benefit and on balance maybe no benefit or a negative benefit.

Two weeks ago there was an epidemiology statistician on sky news (from St. Andrews university I think) who was asked about masks. Her reply was that there was overall no difference to coronovirus spread within masked or unmasked populations. She wasn’t a crackpot. She studies the stats on this very issue. That’s good enough for me.

But we can all choose to believe what we like. If they were a significant benefit then our medical experts etc wouldn’t have gone along with masks being made optional. They’re made optional because they’re not a significant way to control these viruses.

I think the key word you mention is ‘felt’. Some people do feel safer wearing one. If that helps them have more confidence to come out then that’s a good thing. It’s down to personal choice.

The stats you post are a snapshot. Our rates have fluctuated since we opened up and since masks were made masks optional. Rates have dropped at times and defied all predictions.

We are probably the most opened up western country so it’s understandable our rates are higher. Comparing countries is a bit like comparing apples with pears. They’re all different with demographics, geography, weather, health, population density, etc etc. I’m not disregarding the stats but it’s not necessarily valid to look at the references you make and draw any strong conclusions from them.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Evidence re masks , from what I've seen , even in the UK most experts seem to say there is some gain from wearing them . In any case many other countries require them indoors and on transport. I've been in France recently and felt much safer there than here , with everyone wearing masks on transport and vaccine pass required for indoor venues. More measures in schools too. Last week's stats , daily cases in last week 4-5000 in France 2,500 per day in Italy and 1,500 in Spain. 40- 45,000 per day here. Was around 28,000 per day about 6 or 7 weeks ago.
I've no problem with a vaccine pass if it helps control cases and more cautious or vulnerable people feel safer going out

The danger with trying to control case numbers now is that we end up pushing the cases back into the winter, putting more pressure on the NHS at a time when it's already under a lot of pressure, which then might lead us back into further lockdowns.

Arguably getting the cases out of the way now is the right thing to do and France/Spain are on the wrong track.

Masks, I don't think anyone really knows, but I suspect the benefits are marginal at best.

 

[dave1772]

Maybe you didn't feel like your human rights had been violated Dave and that's all well and good but what about the rights of the French and German business owners ?

given the vast majority of the adult population in Germany is fully vaccinated it's not an issue. I was only in France for a couple of hours so can't comment.

 

[dave1772]

You didn’t feel like your human rights were violated but you needed to show a vaccine passport to enter an establishment ?!!!??

err, yep. That's what I said.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

given the vast majority of the adult population in Germany is fully vaccinated it's not an issue. I was only in France for a couple of hours so can't comment.

I won't pretend to be an expert on the German vaccination figures but I still feel for the German business owners who can't trade with those who haven't been vaccinated.

If it's 100% fair enough.

 

[Wizaard]

Lots of differing views on this.
This is my position on Covid:-

1. It is a real thing, and incredibly nasty if it grips you.
2. Masks are next to useless and there’s very little evidence to say otherwise.
3. Vaccinations are wonderful. They reduce the chance of you catching it but their main health benefit is to reduce chance of Covid making you seriously ill or causing you to die.
4. Covid passports are unnecessary and have no place in a free society. They are a dangerous step in a slippery slope to losing our freedoms. We are in danger of sleepwalking into a new normal where we are all tracked and have to be showing a credential at our every turn whether that be going into a shop or getting on a bus or going to the cinema or the pub. They are discriminatory, divisive, will exclude people from society, and they are intrusive. I’ve nothing to hide but once these are in wider use the data will be misused in ways we can’t yet imagine. Technology is great but we can’t be slaves to it or to controlling governments and their over-reach.

The vast majority of people getting on a bus round our way already show a pass as they're either pensioners or schoolkids. What's the difference?

 

[Wizaard]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the German vaccination figures but I still feel for the German business owners who can't trade with those who haven't been vaccinated.

If it's 100% fair enough.

Yesterday we had 45000 new infections. Germany, with a bigger population, had 9,000.

 

[Adams Kebab]

The vast majority of people getting on a bus round our way already show a pass as they're either pensioners or schoolkids. What's the difference?

A vaccine passport compared to a bus pass FFS

 

[Wizaard]

A vaccine passport compared to a bus pass FFS

The point was about proving identity, providing a credential. No difference. Ditto driving licence.

 

[dave1772]

Yesterday we had 45000 new infections. Germany, with a bigger population, had 9,000.

yep, to be fair to them whatever they are doing seems to be working a whole lot better than us. When I was there they were also very strictly adhering to masks. On the tube now it's about 50/50 despite being mandatory. Better in mornings, worse late at night. Am in Italy at the moment and equally strict and people adhering without a fuss.. We even had a protest outside out hotel against the governments insistence on the Green Pass.

 

[Adams Kebab]

The point was about proving identity, providing a credential. No difference. Ditto driving licence.

But the point isn’t the same at all and you know that. People get a bus pass or buy one through choice to get a free trip or discounts. You can still get on a bus without it. Vaccine passports will stop people who have nothing wrong with them doing things.

Beyond being unethical, they don't even make scientific nor logical sense.

 

[Halifax71]

Be interesting to see if this actually works on the 20th as I can still see the Boris caving in and implementing in England.

Edit - interesting to note that there's nothing on etickets about the restriction. I'm assuming it's actually in place.

Wales NHS Covid pass: What is it and how do I get one?

People in Wales now need Covid passes to legally enter cinemas, theatres and concert halls.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lost Seasider]

Yesterday we had 45000 new infections. Germany, with a bigger population, had 9,000.

Yesterday we had 40,000 new infections, Germany with its restrictions had 51,000, or more likely 75,000 - 100,000 if they tested as much as we do.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Be interesting to see if this actually works on the 20th as I can still see the Boris caving in and implementing in England.

Why would he cave in now when infections and hospitalisations are on the way down?