Take Collective Responsibility

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cruzzer

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The virus is now out of control and it’s OUR fault. As a population we have all bent the guidance / rules to suit our own agenda. Even if it’s just social distancing, after all you cannot pass somebody on a UK pavement and keep 2m apart, the pavement is not that wide.

It’s not just the governments fault.
It’s not the students at fault.
It’s not the kids at schools fault.
It’s not the pub goers fault.
It’s not the non mask wearers fault.

IT IS EVERYBODY’S FAULT.

Take responsibility, change our behaviour, and we MIGHT have a chance to beat this.
 
cruzzer said:
The virus is now out of control and it’s OUR fault. As a population we have all bent the guidance / rules to suit our own agenda. Even if it’s just social distancing, after all you cannot pass somebody on a UK pavement and keep 2m apart, the pavement is not that wide.

It’s not just the governments fault.
It’s not the students at fault.
It’s not the kids at schools fault.
It’s not the pub goers fault.
It’s not the non mask wearers fault.

IT IS EVERYBODY’S FAULT.

Take responsibility, change our behaviour, and we MIGHT have a chance to beat this.
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Totally agree.
But lets not forget, this is a totally different scenario than the lockdown in March. Then it was driven by hospital admissions, that didnt reach predicted levels.
This time its testing. Increased testing. Producing results which seem quite unbelievable and creating mass fear. Truth is, these level of positive numbers have probably been here all along and there is something somewhat suspicious of someone testing positive with no symptoms whatsoever.
Not sure how we get out of this induced fear and devastation.
 
cruzzer said:
The virus is now out of control and it’s OUR fault. As a population we have all bent the guidance / rules to suit our own agenda. Even if it’s just social distancing, after all you cannot pass somebody on a UK pavement and keep 2m apart, the pavement is not that wide.

It’s not just the governments fault.
It’s not the students at fault.
It’s not the kids at schools fault.
It’s not the pub goers fault.
It’s not the non mask wearers fault.

IT IS EVERYBODY’S FAULT.

Take responsibility, change our behaviour, and we MIGHT have a chance to beat this.
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Just look who likes and agrees it's not the Government's fault. It's the 3 bots from CCO.
 
Bollocks this virus is spread everywhere not just the pub from works to schools and 90% in the home good luck trying to wear a mask and social distance in your house.
It's no one's fault just the blame culture as ever kicking in.
 
Cruzzer, I object to your O/P.
MrsDP and I have not bent the rules.
We have stayed in and only gone out for necessary shopping etc.
It's my eldest Great Grand sons 11th B/day on Monday. We won't be seeing him.
We have seen him only once since this started, and that was months ago. And without a hug.
They live in South Shore.
 
Davepick said:
Cruzzer, I object to your O/P.
MrsDP and I have not bent the rules.
We have stayed in and only gone out for necessary shopping etc.
It's my eldest Great Grand sons 11th B/day on Monday. We won't be seeing him.
We have seen him only once since this started, and that was months ago. And without a hug.
They live in South Shore.
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When shopping do you strictly stay 2m (6ft) away from others, I very much doubt it all of the time. Hence my point.
 
The north west has been effectively locked down for weeks and weeks already (is it 6 weeks?) and still the R rate increases.
Not sure why that is the case or even how. Limits have been in place here and I believe the majority are sticking to it, yet it still spirals out of control. Who are the master spreaders?
 
Chunkylad said:
The north west has been effectively locked down for weeks and weeks already (is it 6 weeks?) and still the R rate increases.
Not sure why that is the case or even how. Limits have been in place here and I believe the majority are sticking to it, yet it still spirals out of control. Who are the master spreaders?
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No one. Its called increased testing.
 
cruzzer said:
The virus is now out of control and it’s OUR fault. As a population we have all bent the guidance / rules to suit our own agenda. Even if it’s just social distancing, after all you cannot pass somebody on a UK pavement and keep 2m apart, the pavement is not that wide.

It’s not just the governments fault.
It’s not the students at fault.
It’s not the kids at schools fault.
It’s not the pub goers fault.
It’s not the non mask wearers fault.

IT IS EVERYBODY’S FAULT.

Take responsibility, change our behaviour, and we MIGHT have a chance to beat this.
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Indeed it is everyone's fault. No1 makes a valid point that the level of positive numbers have probably been here all along. If it had been known how many carriers there were with no symptoms more could have been done. I'm fed up with people blaming the government and then going out drinking or shopping without masks. Look at this feckin moron landlord in Preston who overnight is serving made up meals in his pub because "It's not really all that difficult," "And how do the authorities know when they check up whether someone had a meal earlier. I suppose there are going to be dirty dishes on the tables just to show food has been eaten".

www.lep.co.uk

Preston pub becomes 'restaurant' overnight to beat the ban

Publican Gavin Corless will turn into a restaurant boss overnight to make sure his Preston alehouse stays open under the new Covid restrictions.
www.lep.co.uk www.lep.co.uk
 
I don’t think the op is saying the virus is everyone’s fault. But he’s sayings that how we handle and control it is a collective responsibility, and I agree.
But someone needs to tell that to the middle aged man who spat quite forcibly and intentionally on the pavement this morning in FY2 😡
An example of grave irresponsibility.
 
Chunkylad said:
Who are the master spreaders?
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Excellent question.

I think part of the answer may be in your post, the majority are obeying the restrictions, it's the minority who are ignoring them that are spreading it.

We know that the virus is very infectious, if the majority who obey the restrictions have an R of 1, and the minority who ignore them have an R of 3, it's not hard to see that the average R is going to be 1.5 - 2.0
 
People moan, moan and moan some more. About this about that and then about something else. Blame culture is rife, everyone has an opinion but that's all it is. I see little evidence that anyone has the faintest idea how to deal with this virus so we can be rid of it once and for all. And surely that's all that matters.

Cruzzers post is as spot on as it's possible to be.
 
As the plan appears to be trying to micromanage a virus - a notion so ** absurd, it shouldn't really require debate - then I am more than happy to say 'I'm out' of this crackpot scheme 😂 Zero fucks given, zero responsibility and zero guilt 😇
 
Tangerinemoss said:
No, your list must include the Government who decided to send hundreds of thousands of youngsters to mix at universities, in certain areas they have caused massive pikes, eg Northumbria Uni 1000 alone in a week.

Inevitable perhaps, maybe there was no way round it, but to JUST blame the public is incorrect
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What do you think the o/p's first line say?

".It’s not just the governments fault."
 
Tangerinemoss said:
No, your list must include the Government who decided to send hundreds of thousands of youngsters to mix at universities, in certain areas they have caused massive pikes, eg Northumbria Uni 1000 alone in a week.

Inevitable perhaps, maybe there was no way round it, but to JUST blame the public is incorrect
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....and what if they didnt.?
BTW, nobody forces anybody to go to Uni.
 
cruzzer said:
The virus is now out of control and it’s OUR fault. As a population we have all bent the guidance / rules to suit our own agenda. Even if it’s just social distancing, after all you cannot pass somebody on a UK pavement and keep 2m apart, the pavement is not that wide.

It’s not just the governments fault.
It’s not the students at fault.
It’s not the kids at schools fault.
It’s not the pub goers fault.
It’s not the non mask wearers fault.

IT IS EVERYBODY’S FAULT.

Take responsibility, change our behaviour, and we MIGHT have a chance to beat this.
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Because sending the sick into care homes to kill vulnerable residents shares the same culpability as walking past someone in the open air. Even Liar Boris hasn't had the front to blame people for doing that yet.
 
catinstalbans said:
Because sending the sick into care homes to kill vulnerable residents shares the same culpability as walking past someone in the open air. Even Liar Boris hasn't had the front to blame people for doing that yet.
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Your opinion is void because of your undoubted bias.
 
Davepick said:
Cruzzer, I object to your O/P.
MrsDP and I have not bent the rules.
We have stayed in and only gone out for necessary shopping etc.
It's my eldest Great Grand sons 11th B/day on Monday. We won't be seeing him.
We have seen him only once since this started, and that was months ago. And without a hug.
They live in South Shore.
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Every credit, I couldn’t do it. I would need to see my family.sorry.
 
Davepick said:
Cruzzer, I object to your O/P.
MrsDP and I have not bent the rules.
We have stayed in and only gone out for necessary shopping etc.
It's my eldest Great Grand sons 11th B/day on Monday. We won't be seeing him.
We have seen him only once since this started, and that was months ago. And without a hug.
They live in South Shore.
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My eldest daughter is due to give birth to our second grandchild this week. No idea when we'll see him though. We're in Tier 3, they're in Tier 3 so that's that.

At times like this, it's not worth the risk.
 
People who have been in isolation are not to blame. Likewise, people following the rules to the letter of the law are not part of the problem.
If you’re following the 2 metre rule, in a queue in a shop, and some dickhead decides to stand straight behind you, that’s not your fault.
However, one group who are guilty of gross stupidity, are the thick sods who think wearing a mask, with their nose sticking out of the top, is perfectly acceptable.
 
What's the betting that, on Wednesday evening, there will huge groups of idiots, mostly 17-30 age group, dancing all over the streets.
Full of booze and couldn't give a toss for anyone, especially us old gits. 🙄
It happens every time there is a new 'Lockdown' or similar.
 
Anyone who wants to carry on with these silly rituals, can do. I will do my own thing with complete impunity. How d'you like those apples?
 
I think the OP is being genuine in his concerns but to me it's confusing and unhelpful to think in terms of 'fault.'

It's the public's job to take personal responsibility - as far as anyone is able to do so - but it can only be Government, National & local, who can give a lead, organise healthcare and economic support and persuade people to follow the rules.

Thus, people holding raves in obvious disregard for the virus and other people, are hugely irresponsible and can be at fault of spreading the virus in a limited capacity. However, in retrospect, Eat out to help out possibly helped to bring about a second wave.
Again, is that a fault? On the one hand it is but on the other it was an attempt to help prevent the economy from nosediving.

Batting this one back and forth across a net of fault/no fault is pointless. All I would want is for the Government to be more consistent and to put the nation first, rather than trying to accommodate the multiple interest groups on their backbenches.
 
southshorepool said:
We heard you the first time. In what way will you do your own thing? Give us some examples.
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A few examples off the top of my head. Visiting elderly relatives, not adhering to the rule of six, not staying at home, organising sport when organised sport becomes vorboten (again), laughing at the many silly rituals that others partake in, enjoying short breaks with the missus, refusing to accept basic inalienable freedoms can be taken and given like I am being granted temporary privileges, having compassion. To name a few.
 
rockontommy said:
A few examples off the top of my head. Visiting elderly relatives, not adhering to the rule of six, not staying at home, organising sport when organised sport becomes vorboten (again), laughing at the many silly rituals that others partake in, enjoying short breaks with the missus, refusing to accept basic inalienable freedoms can be taken and given like I am being granted temporary privileges, having compassion. To name a few.
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The enjoyment of a freedom is only possible when those in authority accept their concurrent duty of respecting that freedom. The accompanying duty on the part of the individual is to recognise when the enjoyment of that freedom may cause harm to others. In such circumstances it is incumbent upon the individual to limit their own freedom to mitigate the potential harm they may otherwise cause.
Failure on the part of individuals to do this then requires the authorities to step in and curtail general public freedoms for a limited period.
 
Davepick said:
What's the betting that, on Wednesday evening, there will huge groups of idiots, mostly 17-30 age group, dancing all over the streets.
Full of booze and couldn't give a toss for anyone, especially us old gits. 🙄
It happens every time there is a new 'Lockdown' or similar.
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There are plenty of "old gits" not following the rules too...it's just that they don't tend to be so public about it and meet in larger groups in the streets. Also remember that younger people going out to keep the country running give you the opportunity to stay at home all cosy and safe.
 
rockontommy said:
A few examples off the top of my head. Visiting elderly relatives, not adhering to the rule of six, not staying at home, organising sport when organised sport becomes vorboten (again), laughing at the many silly rituals that others partake in, enjoying short breaks with the missus, refusing to accept basic inalienable freedoms can be taken and given like I am being granted temporary privileges, having compassion. To name a few.
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There is the option of a £10,000 fine. It's everyone else who's spreading it and not you though. Selfish.
 
What’s all this save Christmas bollocks? When everyone “kicks the arse” out of it over Christmas there’ll be another lockdown in January or February
 
GJJW said:
I'm not gonna stop seeing my 70 year old Dad. He lives by himself and the last lockdown saw him suffer from anxiety and depression. Not having him go through that again by himself. Judge me all you want.
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Yep, who’s gonna look after my old man, disabled and in poor health. Sorry it’s gotta be me and I don’t give a shite what some on an obscure football message board think.
 
GJJW said:
I'm not gonna stop seeing my 70 year old Dad. He lives by himself and the last lockdown saw him suffer from anxiety and depression. Not having him go through that again by himself. Judge me all you want.
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GJJW, I don't think that you'll be expected to stop seeing your Dad. I think, under the circs as you describe them, you would reasonably be considered a carer.
My wife and I see to my Mum & Dad (82 & 85) - well, my wife does at the mo' as I'm still self-isolating, but no-one's going to call you for that.
 
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