Taking a knee v pointing to respect badge

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Rory the tiger

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Surely it has to be pointing to the badge all day long as the Hungarians and many others do👍🏻
the knee taking has taken us back 40 years 😟 and fir all the left huffing and puffing most know the real meaning of knee taking. when all is said and done we should all respect each other regardless of creed colour or religion 👍🏻
 
Rory the tiger said:
Surely it has to be pointing to the badge all day long as the Hungarians and many others do👍🏻
the knee taking has taken us back 40 years 😟 and fir all the left huffing and puffing most know the real meaning of knee taking. when all is said and done we should all respect each other regardless of creed colour or religion 👍🏻
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Good luck with this one Tiger.
 
Macseasider said:
I imagine that as all of our players are paragon's of virtue - which is a great thing - our British teams will fully boycott the World Cup in Qatar due to it's appalling human rights record?
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It's a good job you are being sarcastic, Mac, 'cause holding your breath for that to happen would cause you severe change in facial hue. 🥵
 
Rory, Eagle et al. It's a football forum. The Pool players are happy to take the knee. The England players are happy to take the knee.
 
Discojohndeary said:
Rory, Eagle et al. It's a football forum. The Pool players are happy to take the knee. The England players are happy to take the knee.
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A question that has been asked many times I suppose, but if they are so concerned about human rights why are they playing in qualifying games to play in a competition taking place in a country with so many human rights problems and why are the fans supporting it? No doubt they will announce the end of it with some feeble excuse before the competition begins.
 
Fuck me, are people still offended by players taking the knee? It's usually the same handful of strange right wing type posters. You'd think they'd move on and accept that the players want to do it and it's fuck all to do with them really.

*awaits straw grasping justification excuses or deflection such as 'whydayplayinQatardaydarealproblemnotme' *

Get over it.
 
So if it's "fuck all" to do with us, are you really saying they don't want our support against racism?
 
EagleDay said:
So if it's "fuck all" to do with us, are you really saying they don't want our support against racism?
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No idea.

It really is fuck all to with you or me how they choose to demonstrate their support of the anti racism movement, we should just support it, if you don't agree with a simple gesture that takes 5 seconds then it's more than a little suspect I'm afraid.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Fuck me, are people still offended by players taking the knee? It's usually the same handful of strange right wing type posters. You'd think they'd move on and accept that the players want to do it and it's fuck all to do with them really.

*awaits straw grasping justification excuses or deflection such as 'whydayplayinQatardaydarealproblemnotme' *

Get over it.
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I wouldn't mind, but the OP is a pile of shite. Pointing at the badge is a sign of nationalism. Taking the knee is almost the opposite. There is no comparison to be made.

If he's really from Hull I suppose we shouldn't expect anything else.
 
coppiceman said:
I wouldn't mind, but the OP is a pile of shite. Pointing at the badge is a sign of nationalism. Taking the knee is almost the opposite. There is no comparison to be made.

If he's really from Hull I suppose we shouldn't expect anything else.
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It's easy tokenism as usual, pointing at a badge or displaying a flag takes no effort, unlike say, becoming a professional footballer and actually representing your country (to be then booed and abused by some who have never actually lifted a finger, except to type something on Twitter).
 
coppiceman said:
I wouldn't mind, but the OP is a pile of shite. Pointing at the badge is a sign of nationalism. Taking the knee is almost the opposite. There is no comparison to be made.

If he's really from Hull I suppose we shouldn't expect anything else.
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It's a bit more nuanced than that
The Hungary players pointed to the Respect badge on the arms of their team shirts whilst the England team took the knee.
If the Hungary players took the knee no doubt they would be booed and jeered by their own followers, many of whom are Neo-Nazis

www.theguardian.com

Why Hungary is infected by ultras who are almost impossible to control

Wembley violence follows recent pattern of unpleasant fan behaviour and the roots can be traced back more than a decade
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Not sure how the police didn't see the subsequent violence coming.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Fuck me, are people still offended by players taking the knee? It's usually the same handful of strange right wing type posters. You'd think they'd move on and accept that the players want to do it and it's fuck all to do with them really.

*awaits straw grasping justification excuses or deflection such as 'whydayplayinQatardaydarealproblemnotme' *

Get over it.
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Who said anybody was offended?
we are supposed to be moving forward not going back to the 70s and 80s, scenes like last night will be repeated time and again but hey you crack in with your offended drivel
 
coppiceman said:
I wouldn't mind, but the OP is a pile of shite. Pointing at the badge is a sign of nationalism. Taking the knee is almost the opposite. There is no comparison to be made.

If he's really from Hull I suppose we shouldn't expect anything else.
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Are you serious? so we have loads of players in our country and plenty of teams nationally that point to the RESPECT badge on the arm of their shirt👍🏻
so then, serious question, when did it become a sign of nationalism to point at a badge on a football shirt with the word RESPECT?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's a bit more nuanced than that
The Hungary players pointed to the Respect badge on the arms of their team shirts whilst the England team took the knee.
If the Hungary players took the knee no doubt they would be booed and jeered by their own followers, many of whom are Neo-Nazis
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It's a cop-out then?

They come from a country with a strong element of embedded racism. Let's not give them too much credit.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It's easy tokenism as usual, pointing at a badge or displaying a flag takes no effort, unlike say, becoming a professional footballer and actually representing your country (to be then booed and abused by some who have never actually lifted a finger, except to type something on Twitter).
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Why cannot you dissociate the booing of an action from that of an individual? I disagree with the action but no way do I think any less of the individual who is performing it why is it difficult for you to understand that?
 
coppiceman said:
It's a cop-out then?

They come from a country with a strong element of embedded racism. Let's not give them too much credit.
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So what about the black players in our country that point to the respect badge? What is it about the respect campaign you don’t agree with?
maybe you are either racist or homophobic 😟
 
coppiceman said:
It's a cop-out then?

They come from a country with a strong element of embedded racism. Let's not give them too much credit.
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It looks weak certainly, but things in Hungary are somewhat different to things in our country. They have a nationalist president and much of their media is supporting the violent fans last night.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It looks weak certainly, but things in Hungary are somewhat different to things in our country. They have a nationalist president and much of their media is supporting the violent fans last night.
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Why is it weak, the respect campaign which many English played back promotes respect among different races and sexualities , I can only think that anyone that thinks it’s week is bigoted
 
Rory the tiger said:
Why is it weak, the respect campaign which many English played back promotes respect among different races and sexualities , I can only think that anyone that thinks it’s week is bigoted
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You can think what you like, I think that it is a half hearted gesture designed to appease both the neo nazi boneheads and the opposition
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
You can think what you like, I think that it is a half hearted gesture designed to appease both the neo nazi boneheads and the opposition
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Ah right I get it, so some are not allowed to have reservations about knee taking, but it’s ok for you to slag off or be offended by a perfectly good campaign that promotes inclusion of minorities😯
 
Rory the tiger said:
Ah right I get it, so some are not allowed to have reservations about knee taking, but it’s ok for you to slag off or be offended by a perfectly good campaign that promotes inclusion of minorities😯
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If you think Hungary fans welcome inclusion of minorities I feel sorry for you.
 
EagleDay said:
Why cannot you dissociate the booing of an action from that of an individual? I disagree with the action but no way do I think any less of the individual who is performing it why is it difficult for you to understand that?
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Why is it difficult for you to understand that this is how the players want to show their solidarity with those, including their own team mates, who are routinely racially abused? Why is so difficult for you to understand that booing or criticising this action is displaying a lack of respect towards that?

It's not that difficult to understand that booing this gesture is showing solidarity with the badge pointing neo nazi sub human scum who turned up as part of Hungary's support last night.

Sometimes you just have to pick a side.
 
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Rory the tiger said:
Who said anybody was offended?
we are supposed to be moving forward not going back to the 70s and 80s, scenes like last night will be repeated time and again but hey you crack in with your offended drivel
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I apologise, instead of 'offended' I should have put 'subconsciously triggered'.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Why is it difficult for you to understand that this is how the players want to show their solidarity with those, including their own team mates, who are routinely racially abused? Why is so difficult for you to understand that booing or criticising this action is displaying a lack of respect towards that?

It's not that difficult to understand that booing this gesture is showing solidarity with the badge pointing neo nazi sub human scum who turned up as part of Hungary's support last night.

Sometimes you just have to pick a side.
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The thing is they have picked a side. It's just not the anti racist one.
 
Rory the tiger said:
Why is it weak, the respect campaign which many English played back promotes respect among different races and sexualities , I can only think that anyone that thinks it’s week is bigoted
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You haven't given it much thought then, maybe think a bit more.
 
td53 said:
I'm glad we're debating this again. I don't think there have been enough identical threads on this. 👍
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Not really, as more and more players all over the world point to the respect badge then it becomes somewhat of a conflict, I can guarantee one thing that if every player in every country pointed to the respect badge before every match there would NOT be one single person booing.
 
I like evidence.
What evidence, either way, is there of the effect that 'the knee ' has?
I get the impression that it polarises the argument, rather than bringing people together.
I understand the need to stand by your abused colleagues, but whether it will contribute to lasting change seems unlikely.
Those posters who raise the issue of the world cup have a point, if you'll bend the knee for one issue but deliberately support a competition in an obviously terrible state, you might look at your real motivation.
 
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