Taking the Knee

navel said:
On the 'defunding the police' thing, if you read what the BLM theorists (USA) were proposing, rather than the agenda-driven media reporting, they were advocating transferring some state funds from the police departments (not disbanding the police!) and using those funds o implement social improvement schemes - in other words it's a more effective use of public money to tackle the deprivation that leads to crime in the first place. Sound reasoning, it seems to me.
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Implement social improvement schemes hmmmm ........Well they could start with having both parents taking responsibility for their children.....followed by setting boundaries for those kids in relation to their behaviour, and the impact it can have on society.
 
TheAppyBus said:
I think you've mapped your own views onto that statement to be honest hun.

Basically all that says to me is they want equality for all and to stop needless brutality vs. black people.
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You’re wasting your time mate, because some people just don’t want that to be true.
 
I’ve had my post removed on the other board as didn’t see this one.
Be nice if the mods told me it was deleted because it was duplicated and not because I said it was about time as it had served it’s purpose?
Mods?
 
TheAppyBus said:
I think you've mapped your own views onto that statement to be honest hun.

Basically all that says to me is they want equality for all and to stop needless brutality vs. black people.
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Are black people discriminated against? Where is this "needless brutality" coming from?

Have a think about what "ending white supremacy" means.
 
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Lost Seasider said:
Are black people discriminated against? Where is this "needless brutality" coming from?

Have a think about what "ending white supremacy" means.
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Q1. Yes - (are you stupid?)
Q2. The police - (look at the stats for yourself please hun.)
Q3. In scholarly work, particularly in critical race theory or intersectionality, white supremacy (also called white supremacism) refers to a social system in which white people enjoy structural advantages (privilege) over other ethnic groups, on both a collective and individual level, despite even formal legal equality. - (Not that hard to find, that's off Wikipedia, and that is basically the society we live in today hun, and your backwards agenda only highlights this issue more.)
 
Goforgoal said:
Read their stated aims, once done it can’t be undone. And if you like quotes a much wiser man than Paul Simon said. “The moving finger writes and having writ moves on, nor all thy piety nor wit can lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.” To save you looking, it was Omar Khayyam.
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I don't recognise a 'their' when it comes to taking the knee. I simply see a gesture favouring an end to racial and ethnic discrimination.
 
TheAppyBus said:
Q1. Yes - (are you stupid?)
Q2. The police - (look at the stats for yourself please hun.)
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Are you referring to the UK?


TheAppyBus said:
Q3. In scholarly work, particularly in critical race theory or intersectionality, white supremacy (also called white supremacism) refers to a social system in which white people enjoy structural advantages (privilege) over other ethnic groups, on both a collective and individual level, despite even formal legal equality. - (Not that hard to find, that's off Wikipedia, and that is basically the society we live in today hun, and your backwards agenda only highlights this issue more.)
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Critical Race Theory is controversial to say the least:

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, aspects of CRT have been criticized by "legal scholars and jurists from across the political spectrum."[35] Criticism of CRT has focused on its emphasis on storytelling, its critique of the merit principle and of objective truth, and its thesis of the voice of color.[141] Critics say it contains a "postmodernist-inspired skepticism of objectivity and truth", and has a tendency to interpret "any racial inequity or imbalance [...] as proof of institutional racism and as grounds for directly imposing racially equitable outcomes in those realms", according to Britannica. Proponents of CRT have also been accused of treating even well-meaning criticism of CRT as evidence of latent racism.[35]

In a 1997 book, law professors Daniel A. Farber and Suzanna Sherry criticized CRT for basing its claims on personal narrative and for its lack of testable hypotheses and measurable data.[142] CRT scholars including Crenshaw, Delgado, and Stefancic responded that such critiques represent dominant modes within social science which tend to exclude people of color.[143] Delgado and Stefancic wrote that "In these realms [social science and politics], truth is a social construct created to suit the purposes of the dominant group."[143] Farber and Sherry have also argued that anti-meritocratic tenets in critical race theory, critical feminism, and critical legal studies may unintentionally lead to antisemitic and anti-Asian implications.[144][145] They write that the success of Jews and Asians within what critical race theorists posit to be a structurally unfair system may lend itself to allegations of cheating and advantage-taking.[146] In response, Delgado and Stefancic write that there is a difference between criticizing an unfair system and criticizing individuals who perform well inside that system.[147]


I find this bit particularly interesting:

In an open letter, 101 writers of the Black Writers' Guild denounced Badenoch for remarks about popular anti-racism books such as White Fragility and Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race, made in an interview in The Spectator, in which she said, "many of these books—and, in fact, some of the authors and proponents of critical race theory—actually want a segregated society"
 
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Lost Seasider said:
Are you referring to the UK?




Critical Race Theory is controversial to say the least:

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, aspects of CRT have been criticized by "legal scholars and jurists from across the political spectrum."[35] Criticism of CRT has focused on its emphasis on storytelling, its critique of the merit principle and of objective truth, and its thesis of the voice of color.[141] Critics say it contains a "postmodernist-inspired skepticism of objectivity and truth", and has a tendency to interpret "any racial inequity or imbalance [...] as proof of institutional racism and as grounds for directly imposing racially equitable outcomes in those realms", according to Britannica. Proponents of CRT have also been accused of treating even well-meaning criticism of CRT as evidence of latent racism.[35]

In a 1997 book, law professors Daniel A. Farber and Suzanna Sherry criticized CRT for basing its claims on personal narrative and for its lack of testable hypotheses and measurable data.[142] CRT scholars including Crenshaw, Delgado, and Stefancic responded that such critiques represent dominant modes within social science which tend to exclude people of color.[143] Delgado and Stefancic wrote that "In these realms [social science and politics], truth is a social construct created to suit the purposes of the dominant group."[143] Farber and Sherry have also argued that anti-meritocratic tenets in critical race theory, critical feminism, and critical legal studies may unintentionally lead to antisemitic and anti-Asian implications.[144][145] They write that the success of Jews and Asians within what critical race theorists posit to be a structurally unfair system may lend itself to allegations of cheating and advantage-taking.[146] In response, Delgado and Stefancic write that there is a difference between criticizing an unfair system and criticizing individuals who perform well inside that system.[147]


I find this bit particularly interesting:

In an open letter, 101 writers of the Black Writers' Guild denounced Badenoch for remarks about popular anti-racism books such as White Fragility and Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race, made in an interview in The Spectator, in which she said, "many of these books—and, in fact, some of the authors and proponents of critical race theory—actually want a segregated society"
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What the hell are you on about? I doubt you even understand what you've copy and pasted 🤣

Why the hell do you care so much about stopping people for standing up against something they believe is wrong?

Why is it so annoying to you that people think its wrong that black people are mistreated?

Taking the knee just means equality for all races. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a frankly thick as mud and there is no hope for them in my opinion.

And yes I'm talking about the UK. Please look up the stats for yourself.

Just gonna add that I think people who are against this kind of act are in fact racists themselves, and most of them don't even know it (unconscious bias). People with outdates views, or people who listen to too much Jordan Peterson, scared of how uncomfortable it makes them feel.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because I think the claim that black people in the UK are discriminated against and mistreated (any more than any other race) is dangerous and untrue.

As to the rest of the rubbish you've written, I'm not interested.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Brilliant!

At least I actually wrote my own words, not just a copy and paste bodge job to pretend you know what youre talking about... 😉

As I've said, you can look up the stats for yourself to show that black people are disproportionately discriminated against by the police in this country. Your disinterest in the subject again highlights the issue of racism, and unconscious racism, in this country.

If you aren't interested why bother forcing your bigoted opinion?
 
TheAppyBus said:
As I've said, you can look up the stats for yourself to show that black people are disproportionately discriminated against by the police in this country.
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Do the police collect stats on how much they discriminate against different ethnic groups?

You know that the stats you're not quoting are far more complicated than simple discrimination, don't you.
 
Goforgoal said:
Read their stated aims, once done it can’t be undone. And if you like quotes a much wiser man than Paul Simon said. “The moving finger writes and having writ moves on, nor all thy piety nor wit can lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.” To save you looking, it was Omar Khayyam.
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One of my favourite quotes..
 
Well I personally don’t see the problem with tossing the odd statue in a river, defunding the police, rioting, looting, and purchasing a few Mansions out of the donations of the virtue signalling privileged white people.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Do the police collect stats on how much they discriminate against different ethnic groups?

You know that the stats you're not quoting are far more complicated than simple discrimination, don't you.
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Well done you've responded to a tiny part of my post. As I have said, now 3 times 🤪, you can find the stats on that yourself, and yes the police do publish those kinds of records.

How about the nice questions I asked you now, that you have so far conveniently abstained from answering...

Seeing as I have already had to repeat myself multiple times, I see no harm in doing it again 😊

1. Why the hell do you care so much about stopping people for standing up against something they believe is wrong? (In this case, that's racism)

2. Why is it so annoying to you that people think its wrong that black people are mistreated?

P.s. I think it's because you're a racist 🙃
 
Tangerine Dream said:
Implement social improvement schemes hmmmm ........Well they could start with having both parents taking responsibility for their children.....followed by setting boundaries for those kids in relation to their behaviour, and the impact it can have on society.
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That's not a race thing, it should be the way that all children are brought up but the poorer you are the harder it is to do.
 
Scaramanga said:
My Black Nephew thinks it’s a pile of shite, that ok with you ?
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Your nephew doesnt represent all black people just as you don't represent all white people. It's just his opinion, we are all entitled to them but it brings very little to this discussion.
 
gjr69 said:
That's not a race thing, it should be the way that all children are brought up but the poorer you are the harder it is to do.
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There are a lot of under privileged poorly educated working class white kids as well as black. Poverty is not all about race. Not all white kids have white privilege as is how the BLM make out. They are a very divisive organisation. Let’s go back to the KICK IT OUT CAMPAIGN of that most people can relate to comfortably.
 
Seasider1887 said:
There are a lot of under privileged poorly educated working class white kids as well as black. Poverty is not all about race. Not all white kids have white privilege as is how the BLM make out. They are a very divisive organisation. Let’s go back to the KICK IT OUT CAMPAIGN of that most people can relate to comfortably.
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I agree with some of that, you can't deal with racism by having racist ideas about other races!
The American BLM movement should just do their stuff in America. We have a different history to the USA so we should apply our own solutions to the different race issues we have in the UK.
That said taking the knee wasn't done in this country to show that you were endorsing all the values of American BLM, the players said as much.
 
gjr69 said:
Your nephew doesnt represent all black people just as you don't represent all white people. It's just his opinion, we are all entitled to them but it brings very little to this discussion.
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Yes bit the general consensus on here is that if you don’t agree with taking the knee you are a racist bigot.

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TheAppyBus said:
Well done you've responded to a tiny part of my post. As I have said, now 3 times 🤪, you can find the stats on that yourself, and yes the police do publish those kinds of records.

How about the nice questions I asked you now, that you have so far conveniently abstained from answering...

Seeing as I have already had to repeat myself multiple times, I see no harm in doing it again 😊

1. Why the hell do you care so much about stopping people for standing up against something they believe is wrong? (In this case, that's racism)

2. Why is it so annoying to you that people think its wrong that black people are mistreated?

P.s. I think it's because you're a racist 🙃
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Had my reply to this pulled for “ abusing other posters “ but I do find it appalling in 2022 that people in Africa have to walk miles to get water from some fetid watering hole surely Lenny Henry could organise a reliable bus service for them or isn’t that a “ Brum Ting “ Best wishes Sir Anthony Stanley Park Burn Naze
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
I thought it was about equality and being treated fairly. Have I got that wrong?
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The BLM movement really couldn't be less about equality. I would love to see the promotion of equality for all ethnicities, but that concept seems unfashionable at the moment. Keep hoping though.
 
If there's one thing for sure, a number of people intolerantly don't approve of footballers taking the knee. They will also stop at nothing to make sure the rest of us know that - it's as if their Intolerance were a hard won badge of honour.
 
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Ooh It’s a Corner said:
Had my reply to this pulled for “ abusing other posters “ but I do find it appalling in 2022 that people in Africa have to walk miles to get water from some fetid watering hole surely Lenny Henry could organise a reliable bus service for them or isn’t that a “ Brum Ting “ Best wishes Sir Anthony Stanley Park Burn Naze
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What are you banging on about now?

There's no water in Africa? 🤣🤣

I've done with this now.

You can't persuade a racist not to be.

They're all too afraid.
 
Seasider1887 said:
There are a lot of under privileged poorly educated working class white kids as well as black. Poverty is not all about race. Not all white kids have white privilege as is how the BLM make out. They are a very divisive organisation. Let’s go back to the KICK IT OUT CAMPAIGN of that most people can relate to comfortably.
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Just because someone is white, poor, impoverished and underprivileged in general does not mean they do not have white privilege when compared to a black person in the same environment.
 
TheAppyBus said:
Just because someone is white, poor, impoverished and underprivileged in general does not mean they do not have white privilege when compared to a black person in the same environment.
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Impoverished whites are more privileged than impoverished blacks in the same environment? No they're not. They're both impoverished and underprivileged.
 
tommytwojags said:
Impoverished whites are more privileged than impoverished blacks in the same environment? No they're not. They're both impoverished and underprivileged.
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Disagree, the white person benefits from living in a white dominated society with a history of systemic racism.

You only have to read back through this thread to see we still have work to do on racism, the white person can go about their daily business without being profiled, facing racism or unconscious bias.

That is a privilege that white people have over black people.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Disagree, the white person benefits from living in a white dominated society with a history of systemic racism.

You only have to read back through this thread to see we still have work to do on racism, the white person can go about their daily business without being profiled, facing racism or unconscious bias.

That is a privilege that white people have over black people.
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Could always move and do their daily business where there is no white privilege perceived or otherwise as white people have had to or were forced to do from Rhodesia and many other countries when the boot was on the other foot
 
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