Telling lies to Parliament

catinstalbans

catinstalbans

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There is certainly no Prime Minister in my lifetime as duplicitous and conniving in his willingness to deliberately lie to Parliament as Boris Johnson.
What makes it worse is his unwillingness to correct himself when the facts are correcting himself.
Equally appalling is the media letting him get away with it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1370063410201759753

www.independent.co.uk

Speaker’s slapdown for Boris Johnson over lying in Parliament that Labour voted against NHS pay rise

‘It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter’, Lindsay Hoyle tells MPs
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The Prime Minister being condemned as dishonourable over his lies by the Speaker is such a serious story that it should be the lead story in every headline and news bulletin.
 
Shandypants said:
What's that got to do with the covid and politics forum? Wrong side of the board pal. What do you think about the PM telling lies?
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My point is, this guy is like Nicola Sturgeon, he’s a one trick pony, all he ever posts is criticism of the govyand specifically the Prime Minister. He never, ever says well done when it’s deserved. His hero was that communist Jeremy Corbyn.
 
Shandypants said:
What's that got to do with the covid and politics forum? Wrong side of the board pal. What do you think about the PM telling lies?
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Same as Starmer with the EU procurement of the vaccine both bullshiters it what politicians di from whatever divide but some froth at the mouth about it.
 
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Matesrates said:
My point is, this guy is like Nicola Sturgeon, he’s a one trick pony, all he ever posts is criticism of the govyand specifically the Prime Minister. He never, ever says well done when it’s deserved. His hero was that communist Jeremy Corbyn.
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He posted a strapline on the German sausage thread. Never mentioned Boris.

Meanwhile, is lying to Parliament acceptable?
 
Politicians don't lie, they misspeak, they are misinformed and all that other nonsense.

We went to war based on a dossier which had been manipulated to present a one sided, exaggerated story to the point of it being untruthful. It was the whopper of all misinformation and yet the main protagonists are still living their lives and are held up as some form of influencers by the media.

Speaking of which, 24 hour media means they are always moving to the next story. This will be forgotten about by the weekend as the next thing to fill endless of hours of opinion being paraded as news is found

It gives a free pass to politician's as they don't face consequences to their actions if they ignore it long enough.

And some of it is our fault too. They rarely apologise, because as a society we no longer readily forgive, which is a bit of a shame, as it might make politics a far more honest endeavour.

I'm not holding my breath though.
 
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Matesrates said:
Anyone who thinks that MPs and Ministers haven’t been lying to Parliament since time immemorial, is naive.
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It is true that most people will tell an occasional lie.

The problem with the Prime Minister is that he is a proven habitual liar.

Yet you are prepared to accept his character defect because it suits your political affiliation.

But in real life you wouldn`t trust a person who continually lied and misled you.

In fact, you would probably consider them a f***wit...
 
Matesrates said:
My point is, this guy is like Nicola Sturgeon, he’s a one trick pony, all he ever posts is criticism of the govyand specifically the Prime Minister. He never, ever says well done when it’s deserved. His hero was that communist Jeremy Corbyn.
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Are you 20togo? 😀

It's the Politics board, FFS. If you don't like it, don't visit.
 
basilrobbie said:
Are you 20togo? 😀

It's the Politics board, FFS. If you don't like it, don't visit.
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Mates does have a valid point though.

Serious question has Cat ever made a positive remark about anything on here?

Just how does he go through life carrying such a burden on his shoulders?

Apologies if I missed it.
 
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Cat is a professional dog walker and returns to this site to take the eager frothing pooches for a stroll around the block whenever it suits him. For his troubles, he gets called a lot of nasty names, his professional integrity is regularly questioned and he is frequently told to live in a different country. The guy is a better fisherman than Captain Birdseye!

Anyway, to his point, I don't think I can be alone in being very sad at the direction of travel of our political life. The PM (and his cabinet) now often tell calculated and very clear lies to the public and parliament and seem to have scant regard for the rule of law when it suits them. And as Cat points out, it almost goes unnoticed. This has a corrosive effect on our democracy and undermines our institutions. Personally I would like a return to old fashioned decency in public life on all sides. We seem to have adopted a British version of Trumpism at the moment. It is not good for anybody.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Cat is a professional dog walker and returns to this site to take the eager frothing pooches for a stroll around the block whenever it suits him. For his troubles, he gets called a lot of nasty names, his professional integrity is regularly questioned and he is frequently told to live in a different country. The guy is a better fisherman than Captain Birdseye!

Anyway, to his point, I don't think I can be alone in being very sad at the direction of travel of our political life. The PM (and his cabinet) now often tell calculated and very clear lies to the public and parliament and seem to have scant regard for the rule of law when it suits them. And as Cat points out, it almost goes unnoticed. This has a corrosive effect on our democracy and undermines our institutions. Personally I would like a return to old fashioned decency in public life on all sides. We seem to have adopted a British version of Trumpism at the moment. It is not good for anybody.
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Agree it would be splendid, but did we ever have ‘old-fashioned decency in public life on all sides’? 🤔

For the record, I perceive Cat as a perfectly harmless would-be WUM, so far as this board is concerned. His ‘politics’ are aligned with those LWNJ’s who used to stand behind trestle tables in town centres, trying to flog copies of ‘Socialist Worker’ to passing grannies.

Such types love being in opposition & are content in the knowledge that their radical heroes & views will never come to power here, and thus be ‘road-tested’ with the subsequent risk of exposure as hopelessly flawed. Basically, the political equivalent of those types who sit (Generally in the West), pouring scorn on every missed chance with remarks such as ‘My Gran could’ve scored that’, knowing full-well that they, nor indeed their Gran, will never be called upon by the club to prove their professed superior sporting prowess.

To his credit, our favourite kitty takes all responses in good part & to the best of my knowledge has never reverted to name-calling or abusing other posters.

As far as I’m concerned there should always be room (Within sensible/legal reason) for posters to pitch & debate opposing views - so long may his tosspottery continue....😉
 
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Bluecabinboy said:
To his credit, our favourite kitty takes all responses in good part & to the best of my knowledge has never reverted to name-calling or abusing other posters.

As far as I’m concerned there should always be room (Within sensible/legal reason) for posters to pitch & debate opposing views - so long may his tosspottery continue....😉
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I agree with this.

I personally think that CAT gets bullied far more than most posters, and the new system of moderation by exception doesn't really seem to pick it up. I agree that he rarely, if ever, breaks board rules and could probably give most of his main detractors a lesson in good manners.

His politics are something of a red herring, when you consider the main point he is making. That being that our Prime Minister seems to have a fairly casual relationship with the truth, and our mainstream media don't seem interested in holding him to account for it. I would have thought that everybody would be interested in and concerned about that - but it seems not.
 
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If you think we live in a post-truth political world now, look what`s waiting around the corner.

Will please one or two, I suppose.

Edit to add: I think they may have omitted the lovely Katie Hopkins...
 
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Eternaloptimist said:
Not a CAT in hell’s chance.
My guess is he doesn’t even know where Bloomfield Road is.
I have never seen a football related post from the Cat in a Hat but he must be the best WUM on this forum by a country mile.
Every time I see a post from him, although I know it will be about venting his political spleen, I find myself reading it and then getting wound up.
It would be interesting how a profiler would analyse the Cat from his posts.

“ A lonely man (we assume) who craves attention. He is bereft of friendship (even as a child) because he used to bore everyone to death with his negative outlook. He had a very unhappy childhood because as soon as he could talk his father would bombard him every day with slanderous and scathing comments about the Conservative Party until he was brainwashed into thinking they were public enemy number one.
If he ever dared to challenge his fathers opinions then he received 50 lashes with the Cat O’ Nine Tails and this is what led to his rather dull pseudonym.
Life was no better during his college days, even when they held balloon debates he was always the first to be cast over the side and into oblivion. He was also the last to be picked for any football team mainly because he knew naff all about the game. He couldn’t even play blow football!
The Cats only means of escape was to enter into the world of education ( or so we are led to believe) where he could enforce his hatred of the Conservatives onto 5 year old infants who, for some reason, have a tendency to feign sickness when they have a lesson scheduled with the Cat in the hope their parents will keep them off school.
As for his future, he will remain a lonely little sole with his only escape being to post a load of bollox on this forum.”
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I was going to say that we see the usual and typical diversionary tactics by the RWNJs on this thread. People who care nothing for honour, truth and credibility so long as their party political preferences are being stroked and cuddled. However, this one post goes much further by being directly insulting and vilifying of another poster and one who has directed us all to reasonable accusations of lying by the PM; made in the media by journalists. I suggest this poster edits the post to remove all of the slanderous comments made about his target's family and his unproven indoctrination of infants.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Not a CAT in hell’s chance.
My guess is he doesn’t even know where Bloomfield Road is.
I have never seen a football related post from the Cat in a Hat but he must be the best WUM on this forum by a country mile.
Every time I see a post from him, although I know it will be about venting his political spleen, I find myself reading it and then getting wound up.
It would be interesting how a profiler would analyse the Cat from his posts.

“ A lonely man (we assume) who craves attention. He is bereft of friendship (even as a child) because he used to bore everyone to death with his negative outlook. He had a very unhappy childhood because as soon as he could talk his father would bombard him every day with slanderous and scathing comments about the Conservative Party until he was brainwashed into thinking they were public enemy number one.
If he ever dared to challenge his fathers opinions then he received 50 lashes with the Cat O’ Nine Tails and this is what led to his rather dull pseudonym.
Life was no better during his college days, even when they held balloon debates he was always the first to be cast over the side and into oblivion. He was also the last to be picked for any football team mainly because he knew naff all about the game. He couldn’t even play blow football!
The Cats only means of escape was to enter into the world of education ( or so we are led to believe) where he could enforce his hatred of the Conservatives onto 5 year old infants who, for some reason, have a tendency to feign sickness when they have a lesson scheduled with the Cat in the hope their parents will keep them off school.
As for his future, he will remain a lonely little sole with his only escape being to post a load of bollox on this forum.”
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Wow. How much time did you waste on writing this?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Mates does have a valid point though.

Serious question has Cat ever made a positive remark about anything on here?

Just how does he go through life carrying such a burden on his shoulders?

Apologies if I missed it.
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For the second time today., he posted on Lala's wurst burglar post. There's a phrase I never thought I'd write.
 
Wizaard said:
You do know that it was in response to someone telling Cat he shouldn't post? Oh the irony.
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Mates didn’t tell Cat that he shouldn’t post. The pathetic attempts at online bullying by Mates and plenty of others on here is another issue whilst the moderators don’t give a shit about it unless someone reports it
 
Back to the subject... that scheißekopf Johnson does not care a jot if he is caught lying to Parliament, imho. Frankly, since he developed the habit at Eton (well documented) and has refined it over the past 40 years I think it has now become second nature to him, so that he is barely conscious of it. It is as one with his lazy nature, he just replies with the first thing that pops into his head without thinking too deeply, whatever truth/untruth is convenient.
 
Well he’s not known as ‘the greased piglet’ for nothing.
Part of the trick seems to be to show no shame, embarrassment, remorse, or any interest in any complaints about his behaviour or what he has said, and absolutely no sense of even any hint of an apology.
I am sure Theresa May couldn’t have carried this off, and I cannot remember a senior politician who has previously so repeatedly blatantly and provably lied to the house of commons.
If it had any interest in holding him to account most of the media seem to have given up, and the right wing press seem to be operating just as if they have “their man” in position and are not going to do anything to upset the applecart.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Mates does have a valid point though.

Serious question has Cat ever made a positive remark about anything on here?

Just how does he go through life carrying such a burden on his shoulders?

Apologies if I missed it.
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But that is their choice, and their burden, obviously you don't have to like Cats opinion and I don't think they care if you do or don't, but I don't understand why some of you appear to be so angered by the comments.
 
gjr69 said:
But that is their choice, and their burden, obviously you don't have to like Cats opinion and I don't think they care if you do or don't, but I don't understand why some of you appear to be so angered by the comments.
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I’am certainly not angered reading his posts otherwise I would just block him I think the anger is all Cats.
As I said he seems to carry all the worlds problems on his shoulders on a daily basis and never ever posts anything remotely positive about any subject.
If anything I actually feel sorry for him going through life being so down all the time. 😮
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’am certainly not angered reading his posts otherwise I would just block him I think the anger is all Cats.
As I said he seems to carry all the worlds problems on his shoulders on a daily basis and never ever posts anything remotely positive about any subject.
If anything I actually feel sorry for him going through life being so down all the time. 😮
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I didn't think you were one of the angry ones, I should have made that more clear, but plenty are.
In cats defence, not that they need me to defend them, if everybody had the same viewpoint and never questioned the government wouldn't we be living somewhere like China or North Korea?
Keep the opinions varied, try to understand why people think the way they do, you might learn something, and keep it civil.
That last bit was not aimed at you Jaffa!
 
gjr69 said:
I didn't think you were one of the angry ones, I should have made that more clear, but plenty are.
In cats defence, not that they need me to defend them, if everybody had the same viewpoint and never questioned the government wouldn't we be living somewhere like China or North Korea?
Keep the opinions varied, try to understand why people think the way they do, you might learn something, and keep it civil.
That last bit was not aimed at you Jaffa!
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Yes, keep it civil. There's at least one poster on this thread could learn from that.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Cat is a professional dog walker and returns to this site to take the eager frothing pooches for a stroll around the block whenever it suits him. For his troubles, he gets called a lot of nasty names, his professional integrity is regularly questioned and he is frequently told to live in a different country. The guy is a better fisherman than Captain Birdseye!

Anyway, to his point, I don't think I can be alone in being very sad at the direction of travel of our political life. The PM (and his cabinet) now often tell calculated and very clear lies to the public and parliament and seem to have scant regard for the rule of law when it suits them. And as Cat points out, it almost goes unnoticed. This has a corrosive effect on our democracy and undermines our institutions. Personally I would like a return to old fashioned decency in public life on all sides. We seem to have adopted a British version of Trumpism at the moment. It is not good for anybody.
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Pagahahah 😂😂😂 yeah of course he does. I find it brilliant that you mentalists actually think that’s true. Keep it up it’s brilliant.
 
In fairness to Cat, Boris has been a complete joke of a PM and the decision making of his cabinet members has been woeful - in fact so woeful it makes Mays Government look capable.

What is also worrying is that the message from the opposition is so tepid that this woeful government is way ahead in the polls in a year where their negligence contributed to massive numbers of Covid deaths.

We are far from blessed at present.
 
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