The British Public are Pathetic!

Victorsponge said:
Its not that long ago that wee Jimmy Krankie wanted restrictions lifting, anything to be contrary
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Living north of the border, I'm sick to death of folk praising Queen Nicola for basically copying Bojo (until yesterday) but blasting Bojo for every move he makes (and she copies).

Victorsponge....any chance you can give me reference to Queen Nicola's desire to lift restrictions previously please so I can firmly ram it up the arse of the next Nicola supporter I encounter.
 
Miko said:
Living north of the border, I'm sick to death of folk praising Queen Nicola for basically copying Bojo (until yesterday) but blasting Bojo for every move he makes (and she copies).

Victorsponge....any chance you can give me reference to Queen Nicola's desire to lift restrictions previously please so I can firmly ram it up the arse of the next Nicola supporter I encounter.
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Yes I’d like to know when Sturgeon was supposed to have called for all restrictions to be lifted.

Hopefully Victor will be able to back up his claim.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
So you can't actually prove it was official government policy. Thanks for confirming that. Next time I'll try and 'read between the lines'
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They didn't post it on billboards or speak openly nor would I expect them too. You and I know they wouldn't do that.
If you want to infect 60-80% of the population where do you start? In School is one, pupils, teachers then Parents. If you were mad enough you would need that concentration of people.Here in London many parents/familys have had it and some think they caught it from their children. Lets not forget by the 3rd week of March all schools were quickly closed by which time the government had changed their course following scientific advise.

You seem to put too much trust in the party you support.. even now!! JEEZ
 
KO but I don't blindly follow or support a party. I look at he manifestos of all the parties and vote for the one I agree with the most. No prizes for guessing which one I chose at the last election though.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
AIDs was first identified in 1984.....36 YEARS later there is no vaccine

Rotavirus has a vaccine which children are given but it took 15 YEARS to come up with that vaccine

Covid 19 could be around for a long, long while or simply forever and as Bifster says the Countries that have “done well” so far may not be able to carry on “doing well” when they ease Lockdown...such as in Germany. This herd immunity that a lot of people ridiculed may be in the final analysis what every Country has to get to one way or another ....and that immunity may only last a couple of years in each person so the herd immunity is constantly moving ...

fact is no one knows BUT there are so many “experts“ on here, in the media etc etc with the left shouting loudest as usual because as usual they or their representatives are not on Office joined by some egotistical fools like Piers Morgan.... I just wish they were all in charge cos they would be bossing it big style
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Some good points blood apart from irrelevant jab at the "left" there are plenty asking questions including Trump's pal Piers
However you make some other good points about virus we know little about in terms ability to mutate and therefore become resistant to any treatment /vaccine
Herd immunity will eventually halt the disease but as a first line strategy - as the government or at least its most well known adviser was pushing for - it would have been a very heavy price to pay in terms of deaths and compromising the NHS ability to respond - the comparisons with Sweden are just daft
I was a bit disappointed with latest review but yo be fare Boris was hamstrung by the actions of the Welsh and Scots which I believe are a little cautious
Think we would probably agree that we must at some point take a risk with lifting restrictions - for economic and psychological reasons
This is only my opinion and can see why the government say follow the science and data as this mitigates against risk and also for political reasons
Saying all that I have not lost anybody to C-19 but my dad did die suddenly at the end of February and yeah it is tough and wouldn't want others to take that hit unnecessarily
I actually think there are some good balanced posts on this site regards this situation

Lastly blood I must say I do miss going for a pint and I only went to pub twice a week on average
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Let’s see what happens... I have a sneaking feeling that the countries who will fair worse after reopening are the ones who have been most ‘successful’ like Germany for example, during lockdown.

Sweden will likely continue to fair better than most, having maintained schools open and people working.
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Swede haven’t fared much better than us. Our population is more than 6 times bigger than theirs, we are also far more crammed together. So although they have only approx 3500 deaths taking the previous factors into account we are not far apart. That’s not to say we are doing everything right, in fact we are doing most things wrong, it’s just that the difference isn’t really that great.
 
Goforgoal said:
Swede haven’t fared much better than us. Our population is more than 6 times bigger than theirs, we are also far more crammed together. So although they have only approx 3500 deaths taking the previous factors into account we are not far apart. That’s not to say we are doing everything right, in fact we are doing most things wrong, it’s just that the difference isn’t really that great.
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I'm not sure I said Sweden have faired better than us did I? I said they will fair better than most in the post lockdown situation and I used Germany (Not Britain) as the comparisn.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure I said Sweden have faired better than us did I? I said they will fair better than most in the post lockdown situation and I used Germany (Not Britain) as the comparisn.
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You said Sweden have fared better than most. I assumed you were including us in that statement.😊
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Try reading it again
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I quote your second paragraph. Sweden will
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Let’s see what happens... I have a sneaking feeling that the countries who will fair worse after reopening are the ones who have been most ‘successful’ like Germany for example, during lockdown.

Sweden will likely continue to fair better than most, having maintained schools open and people working.
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Please read your own second paragraph.
 
Jesus: Buckle up - we're in for the 2nd wave - utter madness Why Why Why? All that hard work for NOTHING!
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Goforgoal said:
I quote your second paragraph. Sweden will

Please read your own second paragraph.
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Yes... That's right Sweden will 'continue' to fare better.... As things progress Sweden will go on to fare much better than most (Germany being a prime example) IMO.

I suspect Britain, Italy & Spain will also fare better than Germany as things move on, simply due to having likely developed much higher levels of immunity. Essentially Germany are no better off than they were at the outset in so many respects as a huge proportion of their population are at risk of infection, due to such low levels of immunity.
 
jack_bfc said:
same photo was used last week..

There were a couple more on the tube through euston and KX this morning but still very quiet. East london to the city does seem to be the busy route.. But it is rare.
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Well I can't verify it - it states this morning and I have to take it at face value - still bloody terryfying and makes me very very nervous and utterley unconvinced that we're doing the right thing but if you can convince me otherwise please fire away I need it!!
 
Why do you need convincing.

Dont get on a busy tube if it bothers you. Stay indoors if you want. Nobody is stopping you from managing the situation as you see fit.

We have to get the country moving again. We cant wait for a vaccine or zero cases as that will never happen. Its a virus that we will have to manage and not eradicate..

We cannot be paralysed by fear from what for most is a bad few days felling a bit crappy.
 
9 Billion a month it's roughly costing the country to pay for people not to work the NHS is over 11 Billion it can't go on we need to get folk back to work or go bust.
 
jack_bfc said:
same photo was used last week..

There were a couple more on the tube through euston and KX this morning but still very quiet. East london to the city does seem to be the busy route.. But it is rare.
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I’m also note sure about the veracity of this photo.

I know is was a wee bit cooler this morning but everyone seems to be dressed for winter.
 
jack_bfc said:
Why do you need convincing.

Dont get on a busy tube if it bothers you. Stay indoors if you want. Nobody is stopping you from managing the situation as you see fit.

We have to get the country moving again. We cant wait for a vaccine or zero cases as that will never happen. Its a virus that we will have to manage and not eradicate..

We cannot be paralysed by fear from what for most is a bad few days felling a bit crappy.
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Because I don't want to see re-infections and people dying and going back down into lockdown and then the economy gets a real good kicking and the Wall Street crash happens in the City of London only far far worse.

I have underlying health issues so I'm really concerned. You may get a few bad days but it's a ventilator and death for me.

'Dont get on a busy tube if it bothers you' - I'll file that in the stupid and flippant box as not worthy of reply.
 
Tangiverse said:
Because I don't want to see re-infections and people dying and going back down into lockdown and then the economy gets a real good kicking and the Wall Street crash happens in the City of London only far far worse.

I have underlying health issues so I'm really concerned. You may get a few bad days but it's a ventilator and death for me.

'Dont get on a busy tube if it bothers you' - I'll file that in the stupid and flippant box as not worthy of reply.
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The problem is Tangiverse you will always be worried because of your health issues and will be to a vaccine becomes available which seems an age away.
 
poolseasider said:
The problem is Tangiverse you will always be worried because of your health issues and will be to a vaccine becomes available which seems an age away.
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I know I'll always be worried - I worry every year when Flu comes around. I've learnt to live with it but I can isolate at home and have a work PC and I'm fine but I don't want a second wave kicking the hell out my family and the economy. It's really bloody simple to understand!!
 
I presume most of the uk has lost all common sense. This isn’t going away anytime soon so unless you are elderly or are carrying an underlying health problem (accepted you need to stay isolated) then surely you can make some common sense adult decisions for yourselves. All this waiting for Boris to tell you what to do then spending the next day jumping on the moaning bandwagon is driving me nuts. I have not missed a day off work since Xmas and have spent many a day at high risk places for work (Hospital) and have had to use common sense and follow the advise from the medical professionals. I wonder how many of the people complaining are happy to keep taking the furlough money whilst slagging them off at the same time. We have to at least try to go back to normal as soon as we practically can.
 
KO, I look forward to you standing for parliament in the next election. I'm sure you'll be able to convince the British people that outdated and failed socialist dogma is the way forward. It's not as if you weren't warned is it. Thatcher announced the death of socialism in the early 80's 😉
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
KO, I look forward to you standing for parliament in the next election. I'm sure you'll be able to convince the British people that outdated and failed socialist dogma is the way forward. It's not as if you weren't warned is it. Thatcher announced the death of socialism in the early 80's 😉
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We've never had a Socialist government for over 40 years. The press and media won't allow it for obvious reasons.
 
Newholland said:
There are unfortunately always those who want to pick holes in literally anything, just for sake of it ,or exercise their sense of importance.We will never live in a perfect world but by applying common sense we can make the best of what we have.
As an example on BBC breakfast a teacher had supposedly asked how on earth he/she was supposed to keep social distance between a class of 30 reception kids. Using common sense..
1) Time to plan..not back until June
2) All teachers return to the school
3) Split the three year group’s returning between teachers and classroom space as years 2-5 not in Schools
....not a teacher but does that make any sense?
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Yes, it makes sense but the real question is, why YR and Y1? The answer to that lies more with the desire to get their parents back to work than to limit the spread of the disease. YR and Y1 are the worst possible Year groups for understanding the seriousness of social distancing and hygiene rules, for roughly 7 hours a day, continuously, including going to the toilet and playtimes...And yes, 5 year olds need playtimes more than any other age, I would argue.. Double standards from the government.
 
kuriousoranj said:
We've never had a Socialist government for over 40 years. The press and media won't allow it for obvious reasons.
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Nope, the public won't allow it. That's the fact.
BlackpoolWolves said:
Yes, it makes sense but the real question is, why YR and Y1? The answer to that lies more with the desire to get their parents back to work than to limit the spread of the disease. YR and Y1 are the worst possible Year groups for understanding the seriousness of social distancing and hygiene rules, for roughly 7 hours a day, continuously, including going to the toilet and playtimes...And yes, 5 year olds need playtimes more than any other age, I would argue.. Double standards from the government.
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Disagree. These are the right age groups with Y6 to return to school first. It was made clear as to why and I think that's a perfectly valid reason. What I strongly disagree with is that I don't consider that any children should be returning to school until it's safe. And I don't there's any evidence to say it's safe yet.
 
20togo said:
Nope, the public won't allow it. That's the fact.

Disagree. These are the right age groups with Y6 to return to school first. It was made clear as to why and I think that's a perfectly valid reason. What I strongly disagree with is that I don't consider that any children should be returning to school until it's safe. And I don't there's any evidence to say it's safe yet.
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Year 6 going back fulfills limited academic educational purpose or value. Fact
Transition to High School is done in conjunction with High School which will not happen this year. I've worked on transition extensively and my conclusion is that most Year 6's cope really well with the prospect of moving to big school; a minority don't but are looked after when they go to High School through a number of initiatives we put in place. The most nervous section of the public in this scenario are the parents/ guardians.
If we want educational value, then Year 5 should go back instead.

Reception and Year 1: The only reason I can see is to teach and train them to cope with the new conditions that will be put in place and will extend to post September. The BBC had a teacher from Denmark on this morning and I was massively impressed with her but kids don't start school, like most of Europe until they are 6.
 
southshorepool said:
Year 6 going back fulfills limited academic educational purpose or value. Fact
Transition to High School is done in conjunction with High School which will not happen this year. I've worked on transition extensively and my conclusion is that most Year 6's cope really well with the prospect of moving to big school; a minority don't but are looked after when they go to High School through a number of initiatives we put in place. The most nervous section of the public in this scenario are the parents/ guardians.
If we want educational value, then Year 5 should go back instead.

Reception and Year 1: The only reason I can see is to teach and train them to cope with the new conditions that will be put in place and will extend to post September. The BBC had a teacher from Denmark on this morning and I was massively impressed with her but kids don't start school, like most of Europe until they are 6.
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Well what I heard sounded plausible to me. But you working in the field will have a better handle on it than me so no problem. Like I said though, I'm not convinced it's safe for any kids to return to school just yet.
 
jack_bfc said:
Why do you need convincing.

Dont get on a busy tube if it bothers you. Stay indoors if you want. Nobody is stopping you from managing the situation as you see fit.

We have to get the country moving again. We cant wait for a vaccine or zero cases as that will never happen. Its a virus that we will have to manage and not eradicate..

We cannot be paralysed by fear from what for most is a bad few days felling a bit crappy.
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50,000 excess deaths isnt feeling a bit crappy though.
 
So it was discussed. That doesn't make it policy though does it? I'd imagine it's sensible to discuss all options. Just as perhaps every other country did.
 
Going back to the sentiments of the OP - I think you have a point.

This crisis has been horrendous for some people ; the elderly, the unwell, the elderly AND unwell, and anyone who finds themselves in a front-line occupation, be that health, social care, transport.

It has been tough for others too - like extended families, people who have seen their salaries/livelihood put under threat, children (often overlooked).

What has been striking to me though, is that it isn't those groups who seem to be making the most noise and doing the most complaining. For the most part, they have largely been getting on with things as best they can, and compromising their lifestyle as they go.

But for a worryingly large group of people, this behaviour seems beyond them. Some of them carry on going out unnecessarily, some panic buy, some don't practice social distancing, and many of them do all three.

What worries me more is the people whose first reaction is to pick holes in everything. People who don't understand that a hurriedly produced "guideline" in an unprecedented situation doesn't mean you park your own judgement in the shed. People who only see things through a personal prism. Unfortunately, our media seems fascinated by the noise that they make and not all that willing to represent an alternative, and rather more stoical point of view.

I find myself thinking back to the Blitz. I know people grumbled then, and they were frightened and sometimes doubtful about whether we were doing the right thing. But they got on with it. Can you imagine our woke generation who flood Twitter with their faux outrage about anything and everything surviving the early 1940s?

Societies evolve, and in many ways (mostly material) we are far better off now than we were then. But I'm not sure we have always evolved for the better.
 
basilrobbie said:
Going back to the sentiments of the OP - I think you have a point.

This crisis has been horrendous for some people ; the elderly, the unwell, the elderly AND unwell, and anyone who finds themselves in a front-line occupation, be that health, social care, transport.

It has been tough for others too - like extended families, people who have seen their salaries/livelihood put under threat, children (often overlooked).

What has been striking to me though, is that it isn't those groups who seem to be making the most noise and doing the most complaining. For the most part, they have largely been getting on with things as best they can, and compromising their lifestyle as they go.

But for a worryingly large group of people, this behaviour seems beyond them. Some of them carry on going out unnecessarily, some panic buy, some don't practice social distancing, and many of them do all three.

What worries me more is the people whose first reaction is to pick holes in everything. People who don't understand that a hurriedly produced "guideline" in an unprecedented situation doesn't mean you park your own judgement in the shed. People who only see things through a personal prism. Unfortunately, our media seems fascinated by the noise that they make and not all that willing to represent an alternative, and rather more stoical point of view.

I find myself thinking back to the Blitz. I know people grumbled then, and they were frightened and sometimes doubtful about whether we were doing the right thing. But they got on with it. Can you imagine our woke generation who flood Twitter with their faux outrage about anything and everything surviving the early 1940s?

Societies evolve, and in many ways (mostly material) we are far better off now than we were then. But I'm not sure we have always evolved for the better.
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Great post 👍
 
Forgive me, BasRob, but I imagined you sitting at a well polished mahogany writing desk, dressed as Thomas Cromwell and using a fine quill pen to write that post

Covid dreams, eh 🙃
 
basilrobbie said:
Going back to the sentiments of the OP - I think you have a point.

This crisis has been horrendous for some people ; the elderly, the unwell, the elderly AND unwell, and anyone who finds themselves in a front-line occupation, be that health, social care, transport.

It has been tough for others too - like extended families, people who have seen their salaries/livelihood put under threat, children (often overlooked).

What has been striking to me though, is that it isn't those groups who seem to be making the most noise and doing the most complaining. For the most part, they have largely been getting on with things as best they can, and compromising their lifestyle as they go.

But for a worryingly large group of people, this behaviour seems beyond them. Some of them carry on going out unnecessarily, some panic buy, some don't practice social distancing, and many of them do all three.

What worries me more is the people whose first reaction is to pick holes in everything. People who don't understand that a hurriedly produced "guideline" in an unprecedented situation doesn't mean you park your own judgement in the shed. People who only see things through a personal prism. Unfortunately, our media seems fascinated by the noise that they make and not all that willing to represent an alternative, and rather more stoical point of view.

I find myself thinking back to the Blitz. I know people grumbled then, and they were frightened and sometimes doubtful about whether we were doing the right thing. But they got on with it. Can you imagine our woke generation who flood Twitter with their faux outrage about anything and everything surviving the early 1940s?

Societies evolve, and in many ways (mostly material) we are far better off now than we were then. But I'm not sure we have always evolved for the better.
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I agree with some of that but one of the most depressing things for me has been the self righteous indignation of some people, when they feel others aren’t complying with the rules in the way they should be. I’ve always known we’re a nation of curtain twitchers who enjoy tutting, but for the first time I can see how the Stasi were able to employ so many willing recruits. And it’s not a left/right thing. Posters of both persuasions have been very ready to sit in judgment on the behaviour of others.

Coupled with that is a sometimes staggering hypocrisy. I’ve lost count of the number of times someone has had a little rant on here about what they consider to be an unacceptable breach of the rules, only to find a week later they’ve also flagrantly breached a different or even sometimes the same rule.

Tsk 🙄 honestly - people!!!!!
 
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