The Covid Cycle

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catinstalbans

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Scientists are concerned and recommend a course of action.
Dithering Boris Johnson ignores advice.
Cases rise, hospitalisations increase and people die.
Government ends up doing what the scientists recommend but it is now too late.
Boris Johnson says it will be all right soon.
Situation repeats again and again.
 
What's your point Cat? I'm as left wing as the next socialist but, really, what do you want posters to say?
 
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catinstalbans said:
Scientists are concerned and recommend a course of action.
Dithering Boris Johnson ignores advice.
Cases rise, hospitalisations increase and people die.
Government ends up doing what the scientists recommend but it is now too late.
Boris Johnson says it will be all right soon.
Situation repeats again and again.
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Go on then then Cat, what’s the answer ?
 
In fairness Cat there’s little point getting yourself worked up about it now. Nothing is going to change in the Governments approach so best not let it wind you up so much.
Leave it to Starmer et al to raise questions in parliament and push Boris to be the best he can even if this falls below the standards you want.
It’s a long tome until the next election so nothing is going to change.
 
tangerine.com said:
Whatever Boris says people will do the opposite.
Since when did we ever take our parents advice. I didn’t. Wish I had though.
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I respect my parents and listen to their advice when offered. If however I was given advice from an inveterate liar such as Johnson I think I would be inclined to be very wary.
 
He’s made many mistakes I agree but I’ve just sat in the car waiting for my wife in Tesco and the amount of people talking to friends, neighbours they bump into etc and not one , not one had a mask on. ( a couple under the chin)
Watched the que for Next, elderly in line, ffs why, you can go shopping when this is all over.
Tier 3 joke it’s like normal out there, very few mask very little social distancing. This is going to last a long long time with the public’s attitude at the moment.
 
You can lock down, restrict people, wear masks etc, etc.... But when the vast majority are ignoring advice and rules - we’re all on hiding to nothing!

The amount of my lads mates going to Liverpool to hit the pubs for New Year is bloody annoying!

Of course Boris has made mistakes, in all fairness he’s made a right hash of the whole thing. My biggest concern is the economy and the mess that has to cleared up.... someone has to pay!
 
A scientist or doctor can give their best advice or opinion but are not responsible for making the decision. The PM has to take their combined advice from the Sage committee and balance that with economic consequence , public behaviour, health including all aspects and politics. The PM gets hammered for poor decisions, quite rightly held to account by opposition parties.... but as far as your concerned Cat...he couldn’t give a shit... if he agreed and did everything you asked for you’d find something to attack him with...why ... because he’s a Tory.
 
catinstalbans said:
Scientists are concerned and recommend a course of action.
Dithering Boris Johnson ignores advice.
Cases rise, hospitalisations increase and people die.
Government ends up doing what the scientists recommend but it is now too late.
Boris Johnson says it will be all right soon.
Situation repeats again and again.
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I thought I would give this one a read even though Cat posted it as thought it might actually be a decent debate but soon as I read Boris Johnson’s name I logged off.
Nothing ever changes. 😴
 
Cases rising throughout the world. Nearly every country having the same problems yet some people seem to think the UK should have all the answers.
Over 80 million cases worldwide all started by a disease the Chinese said wasn't transferable from human to human and who some-one on here said were doing a good job. I'm not sure how you define a good job but I'd suggest it's not by covering it up whilst hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world..
 
20togo said:
Cases rising throughout the world. Nearly every country having the same problems yet some people seem to think the UK should have all the answers.
Over 80 million cases worldwide all started by a disease the Chinese said wasn't transferable from human to human and who some-one on here said were doing a good job. I'm not sure how you define a good job but I'd suggest it's not by covering it up whilst hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world..
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Fuck's China got to do with the points raised in the OP ?

I'm not sure 'everyone else is doing shit' is a reasonable excuse.
 
20togo said:
Cases rising throughout the world. Nearly every country having the same problems yet some people seem to think the UK should have all the answers.
Over 80 million cases worldwide all started by a disease the Chinese said wasn't transferable from human to human and who some-one on here said were doing a good job. I'm not sure how you define a good job but I'd suggest it's not by covering it up whilst hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world..
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That's a decent post. Just need to cut out the little pops at other posters and you might well be considered a useful contributor to this place 😀
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It has nothing to do with the OP though.
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Of course it has. The o/p is playing the blame game. Well let's take this blame game all the way back to it's source. And guess what? A bit more honesty in the first place and maybe or even more of a certainty that this problem would be nowhere near as big as it is.
 
20togo said:
Cases rising throughout the world. Nearly every country having the same problems yet some people seem to think the UK should have all the answers.
Over 80 million cases worldwide all started by a disease the Chinese said wasn't transferable from human to human and who some-one on here said were doing a good job. I'm not sure how you define a good job but I'd suggest it's not by covering it up whilst hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world..
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You keep repeating this lie.
The WHO had the genetic sequence of the virus 13 days after the first reports.
Human to human transmission was suggested by the WHO within 1 day of the first recorded case outside of China and within 15 days of the first reports. For a brand new previously unknown virus this was remarkably fast.
Of course you would rather believe Trump's propaganda.
Meanwhile Boris Johnson's government knew about the variant by October but took no action to ban travel from the UK until the introduction of Tier 4 on 19 December despite knowing how much more transmissible the mutation was.
His mistakes and negligence are excusable it seems.
 
catinstalbans said:
You keep repeating this lie.
The WHO had the genetic sequence of the virus 13 days after the first reports.
Human to human transmission was suggested by the WHO within 1 day of the first recorded case outside of China and within 15 days of the first reports. For a brand new previously unknown virus this was remarkably fast.
Of course you would rather believe Trump's propaganda.
Meanwhile Boris Johnson's government knew about the variant by October but took no action to ban travel from the UK until the introduction of Tier 4 on 19 December despite knowing how much more transmissible the mutation was.
His mistakes and negligence are excusable it seems.
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Trust me, I was telling you about this long before the virus hit America. Going back to March or April at the latest. Think the WHO report was dated 28th Jan and I linked it to threads. You defended China.
 

Facts from the WHO timeline.​

COVID-19​

27 April 2020
Statement

Reading time: 3 min (890 words)
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This statement is no longer maintained. An updated version was published on 29 June 2020.​


31 Dec 2019

Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

1 January 2020

WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

4 January 2020

WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.

5 January 2020

WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
12 January 2020

China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.
13 January 2020
Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.
20-21 January 2020

WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a brief field visit to Wuhan.

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

28 January 2020

A senior WHO delegation led by the Director-General travelled to Beijing to meet China’s leadership, learn more about China’s response, and to offer any technical assistance.
While in Beijing, Dr. Tedros agreed with Chinese government leaders that an international team of leading scientists would travel to China on a mission to better understand the context, the overall response, and exchange information and experience.
30 January 2020
The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.
WHO’s situation report for 30 January reported 7818 total confirmed cases worldwide, with the majority of these in China, and 82 cases reported in 18 countries outside China. WHO gave a risk assessment of very high for China, and high at the global level.

3 February 2020
WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.
11-12 February 2020
WHO convened a Research and Innovation Forum on COVID-19, attended by more than 400 experts and funders from around the world, which included presentations by George Gao, Director General of China CDC, and Zunyou Wu, China CDC's chief epidemiologist.
16-24 February 2020

The WHO-China Joint mission, which included experts from Canada, Germany, Japan, Nigeria, Republic of Korea, Russia, Singapore and the US (CDC, NIH) spent time in Beijing and also travelled to Wuhan and two other cities. They spoke with health officials, scientists and health workers in health facilities (maintaining physical distancing). The report of the joint mission can be found here: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
11 March 2020
Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.
13 March 2020
COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund launched to receive donations from private individuals, corporations and institutions.
18 March 2020
WHO and partners launch the Solidarity Trial, an international clinical trial that aims to generate robust data from around the world to find the most effective treatments for COVID-19.
 
20togo said:
Of course it has. The o/p is playing the blame game. Well let's take this blame game all the way back to it's source. And guess what? A bit more honesty in the first place and maybe or even more of a certainty that this problem would be nowhere near as big as it is.
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Nope, it doesn't work like that, a government isn't responsible solely for problems it caused, that's ridiculous.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Nope, it doesn't work like that, a government isn't responsible solely for problems it caused, that's ridiculous.
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You seriously need to listen to those scientists then who went into hiding from that Lab in Wuhan.
Absolutely no need to lie/make up the story they told it how it was and how the Chinese Government tried to cover it all up, they’ll probably never see the light of day again but hey let’s not blame the Chinese Government it’s not their fault.
 
catinstalbans said:

Facts from the WHO timeline.​

COVID-19​

27 April 2020
Statement

Reading time: 3 min (890 words)
العربية
中文
Français
Русский
Español

This statement is no longer maintained. An updated version was published on 29 June 2020.​


31 Dec 2019

Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

1 January 2020

WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

4 January 2020

WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.

5 January 2020

WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
12 January 2020

China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.
13 January 2020
Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.
20-21 January 2020

WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a brief field visit to Wuhan.

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

28 January 2020

A senior WHO delegation led by the Director-General travelled to Beijing to meet China’s leadership, learn more about China’s response, and to offer any technical assistance.
While in Beijing, Dr. Tedros agreed with Chinese government leaders that an international team of leading scientists would travel to China on a mission to better understand the context, the overall response, and exchange information and experience.
30 January 2020
The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.
WHO’s situation report for 30 January reported 7818 total confirmed cases worldwide, with the majority of these in China, and 82 cases reported in 18 countries outside China. WHO gave a risk assessment of very high for China, and high at the global level.

3 February 2020
WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.
11-12 February 2020
WHO convened a Research and Innovation Forum on COVID-19, attended by more than 400 experts and funders from around the world, which included presentations by George Gao, Director General of China CDC, and Zunyou Wu, China CDC's chief epidemiologist.
16-24 February 2020

The WHO-China Joint mission, which included experts from Canada, Germany, Japan, Nigeria, Republic of Korea, Russia, Singapore and the US (CDC, NIH) spent time in Beijing and also travelled to Wuhan and two other cities. They spoke with health officials, scientists and health workers in health facilities (maintaining physical distancing). The report of the joint mission can be found here: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
11 March 2020
Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.
13 March 2020
COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund launched to receive donations from private individuals, corporations and institutions.
18 March 2020
WHO and partners launch the Solidarity Trial, an international clinical trial that aims to generate robust data from around the world to find the most effective treatments for COVID-19.
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In hindsight, the World should of shut China down and not had any travel in or out right at the start. It has gone around the World, many leaders have made mistakes but at the end of the day China was responsible and how long did they hide that for? How come they seem to be forgiven for this and not dealing with it to save it transmitting around the World. How come the WHO didn't recommend to the rest of the world to close all borders with China?

There are thousands of reasons why this pandemic is out of control, to blame one person is just ridiculous. Get the vaccines out, try and do 2 million a week and we will be all vaccinated in this country by the end of the Summer. Before that it is going to get worse especially over the next 3 months.
 
20togo said:
mmmmm.....what's the o/p about and who is it blaming? Seems you want it both ways when it suits..
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I'm not sure you're actually understanding, the point is a government can't hold its hands up and say well I'm sorry our response has been lacking but you know, this problem didn't start with us. A government is supposed to protect its people to the best of its ability from whatever threat.

Mmmmmmmmmm?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
You seriously need to listen to those scientists then who went into hiding from that Lab in Wuhan.
Absolutely no need to lie/make up the story they told it how it was and how the Chinese Government tried to cover it all up, they’ll probably never see the light of day again but hey let’s not blame the Chinese Government it’s not their fault.
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But it's got FUCK ALL to do with this government's response, 'sorry we pissed away billions on private contracts that didn't work but you know it's all China's fault really.....'
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
You seriously need to listen to those scientists then who went into hiding from that Lab in Wuhan.
Absolutely no need to lie/make up the story they told it how it was and how the Chinese Government tried to cover it all up, they’ll probably never see the light of day again but hey let’s not blame the Chinese Government it’s not their fault.
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Which scientists? Where is your evidence?
 
catinstalbans said:
Which scientists? Where is your evidence?
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Daily mail about 4-5 months ago towards the end of the first lockdowns, they ran with a 2 page story written by a female chief scientist who worked at the Wuhan lab for over a decade, said the virus had leaked out during an experiment and some scientist were infected but due to fear they left the lab.
The Chinese government demanded a full cover up and this particular scientist went into hiding fearing for her life.
I know what your going to say here we go Daily Mail again but dismiss it at your peril but everything in that report proved to be spot on saying it would spread around the world at an alarming rate and hundreds of thousands of people would die from it and new strains would generate as time went on.
It’s even been broadcast on various TV news bulletins and at least one documentary’s to my knowledge so if you haven’t read/seen either you clearly have been avoiding the issue.
I suppose you don’t think any of it is true but instead the virus was developed by Boris at No10 and his crooked cabinet to take the heat away from the Brexit mess?
 
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911_Kirky said:
You can lock down, restrict people, wear masks etc, etc.... But when the vast majority are ignoring advice and rules - we’re all on hiding to nothing!

The amount of my lads mates going to Liverpool to hit the pubs for New Year is bloody annoying!

Of course Boris has made mistakes, in all fairness he’s made a right hash of the whole thing. My biggest concern is the economy and the mess that has to cleared up.... someone has to pay!
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They’re wasting their time going to Liverpool.

Checks are done on the doors of venues and unless they show a local postcode they will be turned away.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Daily mail about 4-5 months ago towards the end of the first lockdowns, they ran with a 2 page story written by a female chief scientist who worked at the Wuhan lab for over a decade, said the virus had leaked out during an experiment and some scientist were infected but due to fear they left the lab.
The Chinese government demanded a full cover up and this particular scientist went into hiding fearing for her life.
I know what your going to say here we go Daily Mail again but dismiss it at your peril but everything in that report proved to be spot on saying it would spread around the world at an alarming rate and hundreds of thousands of people would die from it and new strains would generate as time went on.
It’s even been broadcast on various TV news bulletins and at least one documentary’s to my knowledge so if you haven’t read/seen either you clearly have been avoiding the issue.
I suppose you don’t think any of it is true but instead the virus was developed by Boris at No10 and his crooked cabinet to take the heat away from the Brexit mess?
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Here's one article interesting.


www.dailymail.co.uk

Twitter suspends Chinese virologist who claims COVID-19 was lab-made

Li-Meng Yan's account was taken down on Tuesday after she accused China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Daily mail about 4-5 months ago towards the end of the first lockdowns, they ran with a 2 page story written by a female chief scientist who worked at the Wuhan lab for over a decade, said the virus had leaked out during an experiment and some scientist were infected but due to fear they left the lab.
The Chinese government demanded a full cover up and this particular scientist went into hiding fearing for her life.
I know what your going to say here we go Daily Mail again but dismiss it at your peril but everything in that report proved to be spot on saying it would spread around the world at an alarming rate and hundreds of thousands of people would die from it and new strains would generate as time went on.
It’s even been broadcast on various TV news bulletins and at least one documentary’s to my knowledge so if you haven’t read/seen either you clearly have been avoiding the issue.
I suppose you don’t think any of it is true but instead the virus was developed by Boris at No10 and his crooked cabinet to take the heat away from the Brexit mess?
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www.newscientist.com

Did coronavirus come from a lab?

The coronavirus is not a bioweapon and most likely originated in animals. However, whether the virus may have leaked from a lab is also being investigated.
www.newscientist.com www.newscientist.com

New Scientist disagrees.
 
poolseasider said:
Here's one article interesting.


www.dailymail.co.uk

Twitter suspends Chinese virologist who claims COVID-19 was lab-made

Li-Meng Yan's account was taken down on Tuesday after she accused China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Well I’m not going to defend a communist dictatorship that has an appalling record on its treatment of its Muslim and other minority populations, but this lady’s testimony is hardly the most reliable. Plenty of scientists without an axe to grind disagree with her. Which was why Twitter suspended her account as per the article in the Mail.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well I’m not going to defend a communist dictatorship that has an appalling record on its treatment of its Muslim and other minority populations, but this lady’s testimony is hardly the most reliable. Plenty of scientists without an axe to grind disagree with her. Which was why Twitter suspended her account as per the article in the Mail.
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I actually agree with you on that point mex 😮 as I stated in my last comments who’s right who’s wrong?
But for me far to much evidence pointing in the direction of the east.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I actually agree with you on that point mex 😮 as I stated in my last comments who’s right who’s wrong?
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Well I’m open minded on the issue.

I certainly wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government trying to cover to cover things up, but that’s not the same as saying they created the virus in a lab which is what this lady claims. And I tend not to favour conspiracy theories on principle, but especially when they are supported or put forward by an inveterate liar like Trump.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well I’m open minded on the issue.

I certainly wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government trying to cover to cover things up, but that’s not the same as saying they created the virus in a lab which is what this lady claims. And I tend not to favour conspiracy theories on principle, but especially when they are supported or put forward by an inveterate liar like Trump.
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Just to add I never actually said it was developed as a weapon like Jimmy Jazz link said.
 
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14 January - Limited evidence of human to human transmission-source, WHO.
22 January - Evidence of human transmission confirmed.- Source WHO

This is remarkably fast by scientific standards. From identification of a new disease, to publishing the genetic sequence, to confirming human to human transmission to scientifically proven standards in a tad over 3 weeks.
Compare that to the 3 months it took the British government to get round to acting on the mutation.
China's government may have a deplorable record on human rights but your accusation that they deliberately covered up does not match the evidence cited by the World Health Organisation.
In scientific research, no clear evidence is not the same as saying no human to human transmission. I don't know what your background is but as a scientist no clear evidence means further work and data is required, as confirmed a week later.
I'd remind you that in the UK the government spent months saying there was little evidence that school children could spread the virus. That went well.
Therefore you lied.

On another point, citing Li Meng Yan, as the one source to back up the claim when scientific peer review processes and fact checking
organisations have deemed her claims "baseless and not supported by evidence". It is like those lunatics that still believe Andrew Wakefield on the MMR vaccination despite him being struck off for fraud.
 
catinstalbans said:
You keep repeating this lie.
The WHO had the genetic sequence of the virus 13 days after the first reports.
Human to human transmission was suggested by the WHO within 1 day of the first recorded case outside of China and within 15 days of the first reports. For a brand new previously unknown virus this was remarkably fast.
Of course you would rather believe Trump's propaganda.
Meanwhile Boris Johnson's government knew about the variant by October but took no action to ban travel from the UK until the introduction of Tier 4 on 19 December despite knowing how much more transmissible the mutation was.
His mistakes and negligence are excusable it seems.
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The king of hindsight speaks!

Just as well we went into full lockdown for SARs and bird flu, eh Cat?
 
Here's what you said.

"The World Health Organization have generally been satisfied with the Chinese response but incredulous at the UK."
catinstalbans said:
I'd remind you that in the UK the government spent months saying there was little evidence that school children could spread the virus. That went well.
Therefore you lied.
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So you tell me what the govt spent months saying and then tell me I lied. Not sure how you make the jump from the govt to me!
 
I'm just shocked that Russia has Trebled its death toll.... I fully believed the figures that they have been giving 🙄🙄🙄
 
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