The Mexican Stand Off

Lost Seasider said:
Okay, let's knock on the head this idea that Boris et al are handing out contracts at all.

The ministers will have final approval of the larger contracts, but by the time it reaches them the details will have been agreed by civil servants, presumably already signed off by the department's permanent secretary, so this idea that they're chanelling money to their cronies is absurd.
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Hahahahahahahaha
 
Lost Seasider said:
Okay, let's knock on the head this idea that Boris et al are handing out contracts at all.

The ministers will have final approval of the larger contracts, but by the time it reaches them the details will have been agreed by civil servants, presumably already signed off by the department's permanent secretary, so this idea that they're chanelling money to their cronies is absurd.
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Ah right. So it’s the fault of the civil servants. 😂
 
Lost Seasider said:
Perhaps they did.

The moment Burnham went public the government's room for maneouver was extremely limited; they cannot set a precedent that trying to drag out talks and hold the government to ransom yields results, if they did then every future change in status would go the same way.

Burnham might be spinning it as "standing up for the people of Manchester", the reality is that he's actively working against their interests.
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Mexboroseasider said:
Ah right. So it’s the fault of the civil servants. 😂
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Have you not read the script mex? This government is in no way shape or form responsible for anything that goes wrong and is entirely responsible for anything that goes right.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Just as the World Health Organisation was telling every country in the early stages of the pandemic... Test, Test, Test ! But Bozo and Dido have completely failed in this regard.
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This was in March. The WHO were telling everyone in Feb that it wasn't a pandemic despite it being in over 26 counties - and clearly in loads more.
"We are not in a pandemic," Dr. Sylvie Briand, director of the World Health Organization's Infectious Hazards Management Department said in a press conference on Tuesday, explaining that the virus is currently considered to be an epidemic with multiple locations.
Trust ye not. As for the clowns in charge in the UK - no comment.
 
southshorepool said:
Have you not read the script mex? This government is in no way shape or form responsible for anything that goes wrong and is entirely responsible for anything that goes right.
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Although this 'going right' bit is a bit problematic in terms of finding examples.
 
Tangerinenick said:
This was in March. The WHO were telling everyone in Feb that it wasn't a pandemic despite it being in over 26 counties - and clearly in loads more.
"We are not in a pandemic," Dr. Sylvie Briand, director of the World Health Organization's Infectious Hazards Management Department said in a press conference on Tuesday, explaining that the virus is currently considered to be an epidemic with multiple locations.
Trust ye not. As for the clowns in charge in the UK - no comment.
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16th March, I believe. Clearly, pandemics start out as epidemics. It’s from the Greek... epi- “upon, near to, in addition”... pan- neuter of ‘pas’ meaning “all”.

Experts are allowed to change their judgements as things change. In fact, that’s what makes them experts, as they incorporate new evidence to further their understanding. It’s the scientifically ignorant who stick with the same opinion despite a wealth of new information clearly showing they are wrong. Like Trump.
 
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Tangerinenick said:
This was in March. The WHO were telling everyone in Feb that it wasn't a pandemic despite it being in over 26 counties - and clearly in loads more.
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16th March to be precise, 3 days after they declared it a pandemic.

Co-incidentally the same day as the UK introduced "all remaining measures" as advised by SAGE.

Had the advice come on the 16th Feb, it would still have been too late to make a material difference.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Okay, let's knock on the head this idea that Boris et al are handing out contracts at all.

The ministers will have final approval of the larger contracts, but by the time it reaches them the details will have been agreed by civil servants, presumably already signed off by the department's permanent secretary, so this idea that they're chanelling money to their cronies is absurd.
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Did you managed to keep you face straight as you wrote that comment?

If you did, your naivety is mind blowing!

You’ve obviously not heard of Robert Jenrick?
 
Lost Seasider said:
So you think the ministers can just go to their permanent secretaries and say "bung a few million quid to my mate would ya"?

Your ignorance would be astonishing, had I not seen your previous contributions to the forum.

I can think of one example where the above might've been said to have happened, when Gordon Brown ordered the civil service to buy the QE class aircraft carriers over the objections of the advisors, in this exceptional circumstance they asked for "letters of instruction" requiring them to carry out his orders.
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You’ve conveniently omitted the last line of my post, in your reply.🤔
 
Lost Seasider said:
Er, moderators:

How on earth is my above post a "malicious misquote" and why has it been deleted?

Oh, and quick tip, if you're going to delete posts you'll need to delete any posts responding to them as well.




I just didn't think it had any relevance to anything.

Any chance of a response to the points raised, or will you just report this post as well?
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Given your opening comment on the post I replied to. Would you explain why my comment about Robert Jenrick had no relevance?

Your suggestion I reported your post is total bollocks! Ask the mods you want?
 
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Giro said:
Given your opening comment on the post I replied to. Would you explain why my comment about Robert Jenrick had no relevance?
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Because whether I've heard of the communities secretary or not has no bearing on the thread.

Also, you've refused to address the points raised, namely ministers can't just wander around handing out contracts to whoever they like.


Giro said:
Your suggestion I reported your post is total bollocks! Ask the mods you want?
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Somebody deleted it, ergo somebody complained, there are no other known candidates apart from you.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because whether I've heard of the communities secretary or not has no bearing on the thread.

Also, you've refused to address the points raised, namely ministers can't just wander around handing out contracts to whoever they like.




Somebody deleted it, ergo somebody complained, there are no other known candidates apart from you.
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The normal contracting and tendering rules have been suspended due to COVID.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Does not change the central point, ministers do not negotiate contracts.
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Not the detail , but is it coincidence that partners and friends of key ministers have managed to secure billions worth of contracts, often then failing to deliver? Ministers don't negotiate but have ensured their associates have got them.
 
Wizaard said:
but is it coincidence that partners and friends of key ministers have managed to secure billions worth of contracts,
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Not so much a co-incidence as an inevitability.

I mean first off, the definition of "friends" has been expanded to include people who worked with someone 10 years ago, which is to say a vast pool of people who are all going to be working somewhere in some capacity.

Secondly there's a huge amount of cross-over between the public sector and companies that contract to the public sector, the reason being obvious, they know how the procurement system works and thus are in great demand from companies that want to tender for public sector contracts.

Thus it's practically impossible to award any contract without there being some degree of connection to somebody, and when you're talking about vast numbers of contracts being issued in an emergency like this.....................

Finally, as often as not that connection will be to someone on the oppostion benches, but "government awards contract to friend of opposition MP in totally unbiased process" isn't news, so it doesn't get reported..
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because whether I've heard of the communities secretary or not has no bearing on the thread.

Also, you've refused to address the points raised, namely ministers can't just wander around handing out contracts to whoever they like.




Somebody deleted it, ergo somebody complained, there are no other known candidates apart from you.
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So your now calling be a liar?

Why would I bother reporting you? The mods can see you’re just a “last word Larry”
 
Giro said:
So your now calling be a liar?
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Well, we seem to have picked up another trouble-maker this evening so possibly there is now another candidate, if you feel that strongly about it then, okay maybe on reflection you are not the only person on the forum who can find the report button.

Still a really weird moderating decision IMO
 
Lost Seasider said:
Well, we seem to have picked up another trouble-maker this evening so possibly there is now another candidate, if you feel that strongly about it then, okay maybe on reflection you are not the only person on the forum who can find the report button.

Still a really weird moderating decision IMO
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Any chance of an apology?
 
My reply to your point raised was, Robert Jenrick. However, it seems to be beyond your comprehension.

I’m sure it must be a coincidence but your user name is an anagram of....St Sid Arseole
 
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Liberalist said:
Well abused Giro our Preston comrade.

Mexy, and the gang of Basil welcome a PNE comrade to the BFC forum. You are more welcome than Blackpool unintelligent types.

Well said, brother.
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You’re under a misapprehension if you think I’m a lefty, I’m not. If it’s right, it’s right. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. That includes, left, right and centre.
 
Giro said:
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You’re under a misapprehension if you think I’m a lefty, I’m not. If it’s right, it’s right. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. That includes, left, right and centre.
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Ok mate, as you claim. Glad you didn’t get banned or a court case for your defamation of the Conservative MP, or backchat for your love of the Oyston family and being a PNE fan on a BFC forum ... Mex and his mates look after you pal, much love x

You being allowed to take the pee out of BFC fans and peddle your leftie agenda is liberalism at its finest 👍🏻
 
I haven’t defamed anyone. I’m currently trying to get the problem of my keyboard randomly adopting bold, sorted out. I’ve heard through grapevine, it’ll be fixed soon.
 
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