The naivety of Critch

And the reality is we have lost 6 in 7 ~ that is League 1 form
That’s my perspective - Gabriel wrecked a good team performance and I am not interested in excuses
But I think you are over simplifying and over reacting, personally.
 
Same as every other manager then?
Not at all, if you bring in an experienced manager he is bound to make less mistakes, take the PL, success for Pep, Klopp and Tuchel, all good experienced managers, I know this is not guaranteed but the likes of rookie OGS made some howlers at Man U and his lack of experience didn't do him any favours.
 
Not at all, if you bring in an experienced manager he is bound to make less mistakes, take the PL, success for Pep, Klopp and Tuchel, all good experienced managers, I know this is not guaranteed but the likes of rookie OGS made some howlers at Man U and his lack of experience didn't do him any favours.
Then again Pep constantly fucks up the Champions League these days by overthinking it, no manager is infallible and we're not exactly in the market for those three you mention.
 
Critchley should have been potted months ago when it was plainly obvious he wasn't up to the standard of this division. Time and time again people are questioning his strange decisions after matches. Don't get me started on his poor summer signings this year as well... majority absolute shite
 
Of course we're not I was just using them as an analogy, but the inexperience Critch shows is costing us points I'm afraid pal.
Critch got us out of league one and into the top half of the championship in his first full year and a half as a profesional manager.

Yea the man is still learning his trade, he makes mistakes and he will learn from them.

Were still mid table with probably one of the lowest budgets in the league...

Who would you like to replace him with ?
 
Critchley should have been potted months ago when it was plainly obvious he wasn't up to the standard of this division. Time and time again people are questioning his strange decisions after matches. Don't get me started on his poor summer signings this year as well... majority absolute shite
You are just a ** bellend on a wind up mate...

PS, aint even amusing...Ya sad **
 
I know it’s a completely different level, but I couldn’t help thinking about the U19’s in the week. Player sent off. Player moves across to occupy role. No other wholesale changes. Shape remains intact. Even scored another goal.
Today I think NC just panicked. Totally obliterated our shape. It was just a matter of time before they scored. Backs to the wall nonsense very rarely works.
 
Your post makes no sense, today was a different match, we didn't hold on and the Huddersfield fans weren't refereeing the game. What are you not seeing here ?
I try to get behind the team and manager and not give a knee jerk reaction everytime we drop points.what are you wishing for
3 different managers a season and a squad twice the size to replace every player who ever makes a mistake?
 
I try to get behind the team and manager and not give a knee jerk reaction everytime we drop points.what are you wishing for
3 different managers a season and a squad twice the size to replace every player who ever makes a mistake?
There is an over reaction on this thread by people like yourself who suggest that by daring to criticize Critch's tactics or decisions is to suggest that he should be removed or replaced. That is utter tosh, everybody is fully supportive of him but he isn't beyond criticism, nor should he be. He will get it wrong sometimes, yesterday, being an example.
 
Is this how it's going to be everytime we get beat Critch get pelters but totally forgetting how he changed it against Peterborough and we scored 2 goals and won the game?

We play best as a 4-4-2 but that sometimes leaves us exposed in certain areas and yesterday that was the flanks with Gabriel and Husband having a one on one situation too many times just having had to sprint back from attacking positions.

They doubled up sometimes tripled on Bowler our formation didn't allow that.

Going down to ten cost us yesterday as especially in the first 10 of the second we where playing really well then a rush of blood by a player and theirs playacting gave them the spring they needed we would have lost that game or at least drawn whatever subs where made and no one mentions the last 10 where big Marv was basically playing as a centre forward as we where pushing for a point.
 
Don’t blame the Manager - he did his job ok - one player cost us that game nd he should never play for us again - I wouldn’t hVe done either of those ridiculous tackles
“Should never play for us again!”
The most pathetic comment Ihave ever read on this forum.
And the second one is just as bad. What do you want players to do? Stand around and not challenge at all?
As for Advocate, his comments are typical of some on here who are brilliant at analysing after the event?
If any change had been made at half time then lots on here would have slated Critch and asked why the need for change when we had the upper hand.
What do some of you want? Replace a player everytime they get a yellow card?
When the line up was announced the majority on here were saying what a good line up it was and it proved to be that until the sending off changed things.
But if anyone on here thinks we weren’t in control of the game until that point then you are deluded.
 
What I was saying and said at half time, not after the event was that Gabriel had had a terrible half and with the yellow card, should have been replaced at half time. He wasn't and his inevitable second yellow came, ultimately costing us the game.
 
How on Earth you can get 68 posts out of a very simple and straightforward issue is beyond me.

Huddersfield got acres of space down the wings because our fullback defending in those spaces was poor or non-existent.

Gabriel massively compounded the problem by getting himself sent off.

Critchley's substitutions then made things worse by withdrawing our forward threat in taking off Bowler and Yates when a less disruptive change would have been Sterling on for Carey.

Outcome? We lost because of Gabriel's poor play and sending off, along with Critchley's poor changes.

Should Gabriel and Critchley be banished from the club - no.
Do they need to learn important lessons - yes.
 
Critch got us out of league one and into the top half of the championship in his first full year and a half as a profesional manager.

Yea the man is still learning his trade, he makes mistakes and he will learn from them.

Were still mid table with probably one of the lowest budgets in the league...

Who would you like to replace him with ?
Please explain where I have mentioned replacing Critch? Don't invent stuff pal.

No I wouldn't replace him, he's a bright young manager with lots of positives, but an experienced coach similar to what he had with Colin Calderwood would be a really good addition to the staff, it would help guide Critch in some those key decisions that win or lose games.
 
There is an over reaction on this thread by people like yourself who suggest that by daring to criticize Critch's tactics or decisions is to suggest that he should be removed or replaced. That is utter tosh, everybody is fully supportive of him but he isn't beyond criticism, nor should he be. He will get it wrong sometimes, yesterday, being an example.
Maybe but the overreaction is 2 sided. We lost a game but are improving in many areas and the future still looks good
 
I don't get this having a mare thing.

I thought he linked well with Bowler, with the two of them causing real problems down that side. Sterling simply doesn't do that.
Agree with Wizaard,thought he was doing OK myself although he was stupid in with his second booking
 
I don't get this having a mare thing.

I thought he linked well with Bowler, with the two of them causing real problems down that side. Sterling simply doesn't do that.
I thought Gabriel really struggled. I don't think that's unfair, it think it's pretty obvious. Husband had a hard time too. Hudds were good out wide, and we ultimately didn't deal with it. That's partly a collective thing, as well as an individual thing.
 
Don’t blame the Manager - he did his job ok - one player cost us that game nd he should never play for us again - I wouldn’t hVe done either of those ridiculous tackles
you defo wouldnt of done either of those tackles you wouldnt of been on the pitch lol
 
I thought Gabriel really struggled. I don't think that's unfair, it think it's pretty obvious. Husband had a hard time too. Hudds were good out wide, and we ultimately didn't deal with it. That's partly a collective thing, as well as an individual thing.
bowler doesnt help out
 
I don't get this having a mare thing.

I thought he linked well with Bowler, with the two of them causing real problems down that side. Sterling simply doesn't do that.
sterling is better defensively but we need goals and gabriel gives that extra in attack totally agree with you
 
bowler doesnt help out
Not enough no. But that doesn't really excuse all that Gabriel did wrong.

Before kick off I think we knew it was an attacking line up and that we would be more open than usual. There would be goals. Gabriel's woes weren't all down to him, but he needs to defend better and make better decisions than he did for the two yellows.
 
I don't get this having a mare thing.

I thought he linked well with Bowler, with the two of them causing real problems down that side. Sterling simply doesn't do that.
I agree Wiz they where doing OK and as I posted earlier they were that far forward as wingbacks then because of 4-4-2 exposed whilst defending on one on one situations.

I think a lot on this thread have posted through the eyes of a TV set where you follow the ball and not see the whole picture on the pitch.
 
No I wouldn't replace him, he's a bright young manager with lots of positives, but an experienced coach similar to what he had with Colin Calderwood would be a really good addition to the staff, it would help guide Critch in some those key decisions that win or lose games.
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Agreed
 
Not enough no. But that doesn't really excuse all that Gabriel did wrong.

Before kick off I think we knew it was an attacking line up and that we would be more open than usual. There would be goals. Gabriel's woes weren't all down to him, but he needs to defend better and make better decisions than he did for the two yellows.
He doesn't make those two stupid challenges and nobody is really mentioning the lad today. His enthusiasm and energy were missing from the team when he wasn't picked, we were very flat, yesterday he let those two attributes get the better of him.
He plays with a bit more control and discipline and we have a good right back, I think he will prove to be a good signing.
 
First thing to say is I'd rather play like we did yesterday and lose than play the way we did at Derby.
It's Catch 22 for Critch. We moan because we are too defensive and moan when we aren't.
Yesterday's starting line-up was possibly the most attacking selection all season.
We had a ball playing "defensive" mid-fielder in Carey, we had a footballing CB in Gretarsson, an attacking RB in Gabriel, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.
The game was never going to be 0-0.
Despite being bitterly disappointed with the result I enjoyed the match and the non-stop support from the fans.
I certainly don't get the completely over the top criticism of Gabriel. Of course he made mistakes and watching his 2 tackles back you can see why he got yellows although for the second one the player certainly over-reacted.
We can all debate the substitutions after the event and from being 2-1 up to losing 3-2 it's an easy call to criticise Critch (and I do to) but only with the benefit of hindsight.
So let's keep everything in perspective.
We don't need a new manager (he does need an assistant though), Gabriel shouldn't be transfer listed (he's still my first choice RB) and lets look forward to a few ins and outs in January.
 
He doesn't make those two stupid challenges and nobody is really mentioning the lad today. His enthusiasm and energy were missing from the team when he wasn't picked, we were very flat, yesterday he let those two attributes get the better of him.
He plays with a bit more control and discipline and we have a good right back, I think he will prove to be a good signing.
Sure, and I am sure Critch will get him there. He's already tamed Hubby, Gabriel should be easy! He needs to learn where to be and what to do when the opposition has the ball.
 
First thing to say is I'd rather play like we did yesterday and lose than play the way we did at Derby.
It's Catch 22 for Critch. We moan because we are too defensive and moan when we aren't.
Yesterday's starting line-up was possibly the most attacking selection all season.
We had a ball playing "defensive" mid-fielder in Carey, we had a footballing CB in Gretarsson, an attacking RB in Gabriel, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.
The game was never going to be 0-0.
Despite being bitterly disappointed with the result I enjoyed the match and the non-stop support from the fans.
I certainly don't get the completely over the top criticism of Gabriel. Of course he made mistakes and watching his 2 tackles back you can see why he got yellows although for the second one the player certainly over-reacted.
We can all debate the substitutions after the event and from being 2-1 up to losing 3-2 it's an easy call to criticise Critch (and I do to) but only with the benefit of hindsight.
So let's keep everything in perspective.
We don't need a new manager (he does need an assistant though), Gabriel shouldn't be transfer listed (he's still my first choice RB) and lets look forward to a few ins and outs in January.
Good post
 
I have read each and every post on this thread - I respect each and every post. The bottom line is that we got beaten, but we will not win every game. I think the Manager, and the team will understand the fans reaction, but there is absolutely no point in anyone venting their spleen - we move on. A win against Hull up next, health issues permitting, and let's evaluate again. Football are fans are fickle are they not.
 
First thing to say is I'd rather play like we did yesterday and lose than play the way we did at Derby.
It's Catch 22 for Critch. We moan because we are too defensive and moan when we aren't.
Yesterday's starting line-up was possibly the most attacking selection all season.
We had a ball playing "defensive" mid-fielder in Carey, we had a footballing CB in Gretarsson, an attacking RB in Gabriel, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.
The game was never going to be 0-0.
Despite being bitterly disappointed with the result I enjoyed the match and the non-stop support from the fans.
I certainly don't get the completely over the top criticism of Gabriel. Of course he made mistakes and watching his 2 tackles back you can see why he got yellows although for the second one the player certainly over-reacted.
We can all debate the substitutions after the event and from being 2-1 up to losing 3-2 it's an easy call to criticise Critch (and I do to) but only with the benefit of hindsight.
So let's keep everything in perspective.
We don't need a new manager (he does need an assistant though), Gabriel shouldn't be transfer listed (he's still my first choice RB) and lets look forward to a few ins and outs in January.
My thoughts this morning as well.
We scored more than 1 goal.
We scored in the first half.
We looked like scoring more / missed some great chances to extend the lead.

If it wasn’t for Gabriel’s stupid challenge and NC’s weird formation wrecking subs, we would have coasted to a well deserved away win.

More of that again and with a bit more good fortune we will see far more wins on the road than the type of dire display we endured at Derby. Hope NC doesn’t abandon the attacking intent because we could all see it was working.
 
Critch got us out of league one and into the top half of the championship in his first full year and a half as a profesional manager.

Yea the man is still learning his trade, he makes mistakes and he will learn from them.

Were still mid table with probably one of the lowest budgets in the league...

Who would you like to replace him with ?
I don’t think anyone, except the board clowns, is suggesting he is replaced. The point being made is his very strange, and late, substitutions. Gabriel should have been hooked at half time because it was obvious to everyone except Critchley a red was just a matter of time. Experience good and bad has to be learned from and in ghe matter of subs he doesn’t seem to be learning. In fact he said in his post match he didn’t think Gabriel should even have been booked for either tackle? You can’t learn from mistakes if you don’t think you have made any.
 
I don’t think anyone, except the board clowns, is suggesting he is replaced. The point being made is his very strange, and late, substitutions. Gabriel should have been hooked at half time because it was obvious to everyone except Critchley a red was just a matter of time. Experience good and bad has to be learned from and in ghe matter of subs he doesn’t seem to be learning. In fact he said in his post match he didn’t think Gabriel should even have been booked for either tackle? You can’t learn from mistakes if you don’t think you have made any.
Good to see somebody read a post and interpret it within the spirit that it was written !
 
If we sub anyone who picks up a yellow card or has a poor first half, we'd make all our subs at half time in every game. Gabriel hasn't previously displayed any petulance or ill-discipline that I can recall, so I'm not sure how Critchley might've predicted a stupid red card from him.
 
Gabriel had a shocking first half imo, which is very unlike him. Defensively, he was completely out of sorts and given very little help from Bowler in his advanced role, hence the suggestion of replacing him or a re think at half time.
 
He doesn't make those two stupid challenges and nobody is really mentioning the lad today. His enthusiasm and energy were missing from the team when he wasn't picked, we were very flat, yesterday he let those two attributes get the better of him.
He plays with a bit more control and discipline and we have a good right back, I think he will prove to be a good signing.
Of course he can be good. We've all seen him being good & both on the wing and in defence. On Sunday though, Steve Eyre was correct. He struggled positionally to clear dangers from the box. He seriously compromised his defending with his prioritising the attacking stuff. He made his own call there. For me if something's got to give it has to be the wing play. Defending must come first for a fullback. Let midfield play balls up to Bowler they'll find a way.
 
If we sub anyone who picks up a yellow card or has a poor first half, we'd make all our subs at half time in every game. Gabriel hasn't previously displayed any petulance or ill-discipline that I can recall, so I'm not sure how Critchley might've predicted a stupid red card from him.
It wasn’t just the yellow, he was having a mare anyway. His positioning was all over the place, which he knew, and led him to try to hard and go in too hard. Don’t get me wrong, I like Gabriel, was delighted when he signed and was miffed when he was dropped. Every player has a bad day, that was his, he would have benefited, as would the team, by being subbed at half time. I think you are exaggerating a little by suggesting anyone thinks a player should be taken off just for getting booked.
 
It wasn’t just the yellow, he was having a mare anyway. His positioning was all over the place, which he knew, and led him to try to hard and go in too hard. Don’t get me wrong, I like Gabriel, was delighted when he signed and was miffed when he was dropped. Every player has a bad day, that was his, he would have benefited, as would the team, by being subbed at half time. I think you are exaggerating a little by suggesting anyone thinks a player should be taken off just for getting booked.
Fair comments. I think some are being a little over-critical of the situation with the benefit of hindsight though.
 
There is an over reaction on this thread by people like yourself who suggest that by daring to criticize Critch's tactics or decisions is to suggest that he should be removed or replaced. That is utter tosh, everybody is fully supportive of him but he isn't beyond criticism, nor should he be. He will get it wrong sometimes, yesterday, being an example.
I must admit that I seriously doubted him and questioned his methods. Not sure that I wanted him out but you take the good with the bad on all sides and I'm extremely pleased that he's found his feet and delivering the success that we all 'hoped' that he was capable of.
Which side of the fence are you really on or are you enjoying playing devil's advocate?
 
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