The randomness of League One

Strangely I think you could tag the word 'randomness' on to football in general at the moment. Who'd have thought a completely out of form Preston would go to Bournemouth flying high and win 3-2. I suppose until fans return (and who knows what effect that will have), this season will continue to throw up anomalies and it's up to whichever team takes advantage to take the rewards.
 
I've noticed since post-boycott that League One is unpredictable somewhat as all the teams are at a similar level. You might get a team or two at the very top or very bottom that are ahead/behind everyone, but generally there isn't much between the other teams. I felt this was especially noticeable under Grayson as it didn't matter who we played we looked the same against all of them (you'd think against the poorer sides you'd look better, and the better sides you'd look worse).

A quick turn in form can see you flying up the table, or tumbling down. Both us and Fleetwood were down there at the start and now we're both relatively up there. Hopefully we don't have our routinely awful Christmas!
 
Ipswich only get a point at struggling Oxford, Sunderland only get a point at home to Burton and the Cods lose to a very average Cobblers (shame Lincoln came back against Wigan!)!

So we're 2 points closer to 5th and 7th place and 3 points closer to 6th and 8th place.

Still makes last Tuesday annoying!
I think games like last Tuesday can work in your favour if you learn from them. No prizes are handed out before Xmas. Don't need to hit the front until the final straight. No need to panic in the first mile of a marathon.
 
Strangely I think you could tag the word 'randomness' on to football in general at the moment. Who'd have thought a completely out of form Preston would go to Bournemouth flying high and win 3-2. I suppose until fans return (and who knows what effect that will have), this season will continue to throw up anomalies and it's up to whichever team takes advantage to take the rewards.
The only thing random about Nob end is the fact that they've only won 1 home match against a poor Massive 1-0 whereas they've won 5 on the road.
Unfortunately beating Bournemouth wasn't such a surprise for me anyway😖
 
The fly in the ointment at the moment is Accy. All those games in hand and the results they get from them could change the table a fair bit.
It seems a bit daft that after last nights great performance and win that I'm cursing the three points dropped at Donny. Stick us those three points on and you'd be looking at and aiming right for the very top. At the moment that expectation is tempered to just one game at a time.
 
The fly in the ointment at the moment is Accy. All those games in hand and the results they get from them could change the table a fair bit.
It seems a bit daft that after last nights great performance and win that I'm cursing the three points dropped at Donny. Stick us those three points on and you'd be looking at and aiming right for the very top. At the moment that expectation is tempered to just one game at a time.
But that's only 3 points and we have 32 games to go. Sir Alex never worried unduly about dropped points here and there before Xmas, he got his squad all primed and finely tuned for the second half of the season. And we are in a league where anyone can beat anyone, the teams above us are dropping points too. Fleetwood, Ipswich and Sunderland last night for example. And Portsmouth.
 
The fly in the ointment at the moment is Accy. All those games in hand and the results they get from them could change the table a fair bit.
It seems a bit daft that after last nights great performance and win that I'm cursing the three points dropped at Donny. Stick us those three points on and you'd be looking at and aiming right for the very top. At the moment that expectation is tempered to just one game at a time.
I'd agree one game at a time. I'd also question Accys squad depth compared to ours. With a hectic schedule that might play into our hands.
 
I'd agree one game at a time. I'd also question Accys squad depth compared to ours. With a hectic schedule that might play into our hands.
Oh I don't particularly see Accy as a long term threat this season but it would still be useful to know what the league looked tike should all teams have played the same number of games.
But that's only 3 points and we have 32 games to go. Sir Alex never worried unduly about dropped points here and there before Xmas, he got his squad all primed and finely tuned for the second half of the season. And we are in a league where anyone can beat anyone, the teams above us are dropping points too. Fleetwood, Ipswich and Sunderland last night for example. And Portsmouth.
Yep, I don't buy into that. I remember City pipping United with Agueros last minute goal on the final day of the season. Ferguson will have looked back at that point in time and realised that a couple of stupidly dropped points early in the season cost him. We may well do the same come the end of the season. Of course that can be said about about every team but you can't control what other teams do, only what you do. Of course you accept you are gonna drop points but it's harder to take when you are two up at half time.
 
Oh I don't particularly see Accy as a long term threat this season but it would still be useful to know what the league looked tike should all teams have played the same number of games.

Yep, I don't buy into that. I remember City pipping United with Agueros last minute goal on the final day of the season. Ferguson will have looked back at that point in time and realised that a couple of stupidly dropped points early in the season cost him. We may well do the same come the end of the season. Of course that can be said about about every team but you can't control what other teams do, only what you do. Of course you accept you are gonna drop points but it's harder to take when you are two up at half time.
Of course it was hard to take and I would rather have the points. But I think there's a bigger picture, the way we lost may even prove to be a good thing across the season as a whole. No prizes handed out this time of year. 8 points from 11 games at the start of 2006/7. Lost 7-0 at Barnet in November 2000. Sack McMahon!
 
Of course it was hard to take and I would rather have the points. But I think there's a bigger picture, the way we lost may even prove to be a good thing across the season as a whole. No prizes handed out this time of year. 8 points from 11 games at the start of 2006/7. Lost 7-0 at Barnet in November 2000. Sack McMahon!
The point is that at this point in time and for the last couple of months we are playing catch up. Yep, the teams at the top end of the table are all dropping points so that's why it's vital we don't drop points like we did in the situation with Donny. Come the end of the season it may not matter but right now it does. You dismiss those three points dropped as if they don't matter. Trust me, the manager and players will still be hurting over that.
 
The point is that at this point in time and for the last couple of months we are playing catch up. Yep, the teams at the top end of the table are all dropping points so that's why it's vital we don't drop points like we did in the situation with Donny. Come the end of the season it may not matter but right now it does. You dismiss those three points dropped as if they don't matter. Trust me, the manager and players will still be hurting over that.
Of course they are hurting - that was my last point. Hurt is a driver.
 
Agree with 20'S. Before last night I reckoned we needed 18 points (5 wins, 3 draws) from the next 10 games to get us to 34 by half way point. Then we would need 40 from the second half of 23 games to get us to 74 and hopefully in the play offs. its doable but a tough ask
 
Agree with 20'S. Before last night I reckoned we needed 18 points (5 wins, 3 draws) from the next 10 games to get us to 34 by half way point. Then we would need 40 from the second half of 23 games to get us to 74 and hopefully in the play offs. its doable but a tough ask
Statistical faffery! It's the table at the end of the season that matters.
 
I believe that the loss against Donny will have given the team and NC more positives than negatives. Last night I saw good game management and far better balance. You learn game management from mistakes and rectifying them. For me last nights structure and balance was spot on and I always felt that if needed we could step up a gear. Good teams can do that.
 
The fly in the ointment at the moment is Accy. All those games in hand and the results they get from them could change the table a fair bit.
It seems a bit daft that after last nights great performance and win that I'm cursing the three points dropped at Donny. Stick us those three points on and you'd be looking at and aiming right for the very top. At the moment that expectation is tempered to just one game at a time.

The wheels may fall off Accy with all the tuesday/saturday games, plus their games in hand to fit in. The need strengh in depth which unlike us, I dont think they will have.
 
Bar Ipswich we are making the supposedly better teams look quite ordinary and you could include the Everton and Liverpool friendlies up to a certain point.
 
The point is that at this point in time and for the last couple of months we are playing catch up. Yep, the teams at the top end of the table are all dropping points so that's why it's vital we don't drop points like we did in the situation with Donny. Come the end of the season it may not matter but right now it does. You dismiss those three points dropped as if they don't matter. Trust me, the manager and players will still be hurting over that.
Historically weve always played catch up and that's why we have a great playoff record. We go into them on a high and not disappointed because weve slumped at the end of the season. Dropped points are always disappointing, of course, but we can't win every week. What I'd take from the Donny game is the positive of comprehensively outplaying them and the lesson of how we can't just switch off thinking the game is already won.
 
Statistical faffery! It's the table at the end of the season that matters.
Oft quoted cliche which is absolute tosh. You only get to where you are at the end of the season by getting results in all the weeks before it. That's why managers get sacked during the season. Because of their league position.

I believe that the loss against Donny will have given the team and NC more positives than negatives. Last night I saw good game management and far better balance. You learn game management from mistakes and rectifying them. For me last nights structure and balance was spot on and I always felt that if needed we could step up a gear. Good teams can do that.
It may have given them the positive to go out and be more determined but it doesn't escape from the fact is that from the position we were in it was three points dropped. And that means it makes the game of catch up that bit harder.
 
Historically weve always played catch up and that's why we have a great playoff record. We go into them on a high and not disappointed because weve slumped at the end of the season. Dropped points are always disappointing, of course, but we can't win every week. What I'd take from the Donny game is the positive of comprehensively outplaying them and the lesson of how we can't just switch off thinking the game is already won.
There's only one occasion where we've gone into a play off campaign having slumped towards the end, and look at what the result of that was.
 
Oft quoted cliche which is absolute tosh. You only get to where you are at the end of the season by getting results in all the weeks before it. That's why managers get sacked during the season. Because of their league position.
Same old entrenched position. Not listening.
 
As said i think football in general is more 'random' at the moment.
Its just nice that people are more positive and its its not all doom & gloom 👍 .
Id like a few more goals scored in the league.
See where we are in a month.
 
Same old entrenched position. Not listening.
Classic Voy. Tell me about your entrenched position with Madine. It's pretty clear you don't like him, you don't want him to succeed and you're happy when he has a bad game because you think it backs up your point. The fact it might cost us points makes you feel better. Was it you talking about the bigger picture?
 
Classic Voy. Tell me about your entrenched position with Madine. It's pretty clear you don't like him, you don't want him to succeed and you're happy when he has a bad game because you think it backs up your point.
that's not true either!
 
Another comment isolated from the context and filed away to be used out of context when it suits. 👍
How can something like that be out of context? It was said whilst Sadler was here and with our current manager.
 
Ipswich only get a point at struggling Oxford, Sunderland only get a point at home to Burton and the Cods lose to a very average Cobblers (shame Lincoln came back against Wigan!)!

So we're 2 points closer to 5th and 7th place and 3 points closer to 6th and 8th place.

Still makes last Tuesday annoying!
Last Tuesday was a shocker of a game. I've not felt like that since Blackpool v Bradford City play off semi all those years ago. 😩
 
Obviously all games matter, but in this season particularly i think you'll see more 'random' results for several reasons; curtailed pre-seasons, little advantage in playing at home etc...

I agree that the Donny game is frustrating, although i'd suggest it would be less so had we lost a tight game 1-0 rather than losing it the way we did. Even so, 3 more points from that game would leave us needing 2+ points per game from here on in, to realistically be challenging for automatic. As it is, we still need that now anyway.

Plenty of the season left to play and loads of points up for grabs. I'm getting more confident in our chances, but I'm still thinking play offs at VERY best.
 
More randomness tonight with Posh, Charlton and Doncaster all losing points - Hull the only big winners and the fact we’re down to 14th a reminder how far we have to go. It’s a case of must not lose at the moment - such a big game on Saturday - a win and we’re contenders again.
 
More randomness tonight with Posh, Charlton and Doncaster all losing points - Hull the only big winners and the fact we’re down to 14th a reminder how far we have to go. It’s a case of must not lose at the moment - such a big game on Saturday - a win and we’re contenders again.
Keep the faith Ghost
 
Just to update this thread.

So yesterday the Cods drew at home to bottom place Wigan, high flying Hull lost at home, Crewe and Lincoln continue out-performing where they should be, Charlton drop points at lowly Swindon.

Actually makes our point at Accrington look decent.
 
Just to update this thread.

So yesterday the Cods drew at home to bottom place Wigan, high flying Hull lost at home, Crewe and Lincoln continue out-performing where they should be, Charlton drop points at lowly Swindon.

Actually makes our point at Accrington look decent.
Hull lost to the team now top. Not a shock. Lincoln have had a wobble, back on track yesterday. They bought well. Crewe have a variety of very good young players and a clear way of playing that they are very good at. It's a very tight division, anybody can beat anybody. It's a cliche but it's particularly true of league one this season.
 
Just to mention about Crewe. Their manager is David Artell and he took over in January 2017. They finished that season 17th in league 2. The first full season he was in charge they finished 15th, so barely improved at all. In his second full season they finished 12th. It took him three full seasons to get them going and look at them now. Just a reminder of what can happen if given time...
 
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