Wizaard
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They don't vote in flag policies.
The reality of Reform being in positions of power
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Phil_bfc neuf
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Is there really a flag policy
If so I think that's part of the fcuking problem
You still haven't got back to me on the millions spent on the new government logo and the 150 page dossier on where the full stop should be
Wizaard
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A flag policy is the ONLY one Reform have.
I have no idea on a new logo, but if what you're saying is right, then it won't be civil servants, it will be a consultancy group brought in at great expense by SPADs.
Wizaard
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Council workers don't decide policy. The councillors do.
I agree totally with you about contracting out. Another Tory success.
Phil_bfc neuf
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I think the reason so much does get contracted out is because the past employees were fcuking useless
Wizaard
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Political dogma.
That's why the water industry, the energy companies and the railways should all be brought back into public ownership.
These are services, not vehicles for shareholders to cream off profits, especially when most are owned by foreign Governments who take the money from here and invest it in their own infrastructure.
Killingmesoftly
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Labour have definitely got flagging policies ….
Toastrack
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Reform Year One - the party of change
- McMurdock elected, then conviction for woman-beating appears
- Yusuf appointed as Chair
- Habib kicked out
- Lowe kicked out
- Lowe taking court action against Anderson and Yusuf
- Yusuf hissy fit, walks and return 2 days later
- McMurdock suspends himself over allegedly fraudulent Covid loans
And lower down the ranks, in the last week alone…
- Councillor Amanda Clare charged with assault & criminal damage
- Councillor Darren Grimes tries the Farage ruse to avoid having to meet those awful little people by claiming police had advised him not to hold local constituency surgeries on security grounds (expressly denied by Durham Constabulary)
To quote the great Terry-Thomas, "You're an absolute shower”.
- McMurdock elected, then conviction for woman-beating appears
- Yusuf appointed as Chair
- Habib kicked out
- Lowe kicked out
- Lowe taking court action against Anderson and Yusuf
- Yusuf hissy fit, walks and return 2 days later
- McMurdock suspends himself over allegedly fraudulent Covid loans
And lower down the ranks, in the last week alone…
- Councillor Amanda Clare charged with assault & criminal damage
- Councillor Darren Grimes tries the Farage ruse to avoid having to meet those awful little people by claiming police had advised him not to hold local constituency surgeries on security grounds (expressly denied by Durham Constabulary)
To quote the great Terry-Thomas, "You're an absolute shower”.
JJpool
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Most that list is meaningless. Youre going to get growing pains etc as it went from a tiny party to one more suited for government.
Mcmurdock the paper candidate who got through at thw last election. Did wrong in the past but turned his life round. Let's see see what happens.
I thought in yhe last they'd want him out before the next election, as they'll be actually vetting people amd waiting a higher calibre. But despite his past he does come across a nice guy now tbf.
contraryalf
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It's funny how a woman cried in public and you are quick to condemn.
But one of your lot is suspected of fraud and what we get from you is wall to wall excuses.
1966_and_all_that
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It's good to know that with Reform, at least we can rely on the adults in the room.
www.theguardian.com
Reform UK puts teenagers in charge of vital public services
Concerns raised about council appointments, including 19-year-old overseeing children and family services
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JJpool
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Not thay bothered, paper candidate, can stay or go for me.
As for the woman crying in live TV, that's the Chancellor.
JJpool
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No because he was from the last election with no vetting, the party was a tiny outfit then, its now a lot bigger and more professional and will continue to get better towards the election.
All the talk of a handful of the local candidates stepping down, how many won, around 680 was it and they now have 842 it says.
You'd think they would be more careful with the people standing for parliament but i take your point with the councils.
Wizaard
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Reform MP James McMurdock gives up whip over business allegations, party says - BBC News https://share.google/Fo89OiMstFu2gF2HV
Down to 4
Down to 4
bill40
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Correction down to 3 isn'r it?
Wizaard
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Was 5, Rupert left, but they won a bye election.
bill40
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Oh yes that Poacha something or other, I keep forgetting about that.
And one of the remaining ones is Lee Anderson if an even more right wing party is formed he'll probably defect again!!
JJpool
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They only had 5 so all this % talk is nonsense.
You better buckle up as its going to heat up as it gets closer and closer to the election and they grow and try and become fit for power. Of course theres going to be growing pains along the way. We've already seen some power struggles and people moved on.
BTW if they don't do it and implode they'll only be a stronger more radical group that fills the void immediately.
Look to Ruperts movement or Ben Habibs, they speak sense on much but there is more radical things than Reform.
There's an energy and movement to the right thats happening all over the world and it can't really be stopped tbh.
Toastrack
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“It can’t really be stopped”? That may be your hope, but political history is littered with parties or movements within them, some moderate and some not, that surged in popularity, saw themselves as unstoppable forces but withered and faded away.
But now your own unshakeable belief in Reform is wavering by entertaining the notion that Reform may implode.
That’s what tends to happen to radical movements of left and right, riven by in-fighting and revealing themselves to contain individuals that most people find unattractive.
Your theory that they would be replaced by a more extreme movement may be correct. But that would never gain traction here, because the UK remains a (small c) conservative country.
It’s more stable, more grounded in its democratic ways, its political institutions have deeper roots than most of the countries that have turned to the radical right.
And the UK’s electorate have repeatedly rejected extreme movements of both left and right and the dodgy characters that they invariably attract.
Speaking of dodgy characters, the next Private Eye is due on Wednesday with the latest batch of dubious Reform representatives.
No doubt you’ll put these down to those “growing pains” (how long will this be trotted out as an excuse? 3 months? 3 years? Permanently?).
It’s pretty certain the alleged fraudster MP McMurdock will be there. Maybe the allegedly violent Cllr Clare and the workshy Cllr Grimes, as mentioned earlier.
Either way, I don’t think they’ll be short of material.
Edit - Cllr Daniel Taylor, who was suspended 3 weeks ago, has appeared in court charged with threats to kill his wife, sending an offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing message and using controlling or coercive behaviour for over a decade. He was bailed but must wear a tag.
Another one violent towards women?
Another "man of the people"?
Call for by-election after charges against county councillor for Cliftonville are revealed
A call has been made for a Kent County Councillor to step down after it was revealed he has been charged with making threats to kill his wife. Cllr Daniel Taylor, who won the seat to represent Clif…
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1966_and_all_that
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Wherever far-right political parties have gained control there have been wars.
Phil_bfc neuf
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Yeah like Tony Blair you mean
Killed about a million people that charlatan then was PM when 4 bombs went off in Central London
Old_Laytonian
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Shock horror, MPs and Councillors "in it" just for themselves.
JJpool
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I'm on about the movement to the right, it's picked up pace and is happening all over the world.“It can’t really be stopped”? That may be your hope, but political history is littered with parties or movements within them, some moderate and some not, that surged in popularity, saw themselves as unstoppable forces but withered and faded away.
But now your own unshakeable belief in Reform is wavering by entertaining the notion that Reform may implode.
That’s what tends to happen to radical movements of left and right, riven by in-fighting and revealing themselves to contain individuals that most people find unattractive.
Your theory that they would be replaced by a more extreme movement may be correct. But that would never gain traction here, because the UK remains a (small c) conservative country.
It’s more stable, more grounded in its democratic ways, its political institutions have deeper roots than most of the countries that have turned to the radical right.
And the UK’s electorate have repeatedly rejected extreme movements of both left and right and the dodgy characters that they invariably attract.
Speaking of dodgy characters, the next Private Eye is due on Wednesday with the latest batch of dubious Reform representatives.
No doubt you’ll put these down to those “growing pains” (how long will this be trotted out as an excuse? 3 months? 3 years? Permanently?).
It’s pretty certain the alleged fraudster MP McMurdock will be there. Maybe the allegedly violent Cllr Clare and the workshy Cllr Grimes, as mentioned earlier.
Either way, I don’t think they’ll be short of material.
Edit - Cllr Daniel Taylor, who was suspended 3 weeks ago, has appeared in court charged with threats to kill his wife, sending an offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing message and using controlling or coercive behaviour for over a decade. He was bailed but must wear a tag.
Another one violent towards women?
Another "man of the people"?
Call for by-election after charges against county councillor for Cliftonville are revealed
A call has been made for a Kent County Councillor to step down after it was revealed he has been charged with making threats to kill his wife. Cllr Daniel Taylor, who won the seat to represent Clif…
My unshakeable belief? Think you're taking this a bit too seriously, I think they're the best hope and I support them but it doesn't mean they're perfect. I think they have a great chance. I said if they implode as its been discussed before and I've no issue saying what ifs, so you're reading into nothing.
It doesn't necessarily have to be something extreme at all. Much of what others say is perfectly reasonable but some go further than reform in areas.
I'm sure many focusing on Reform do so for all parties, except many don't, theres been a ridiculous amount of wronguns in labour and the tories.
I'm sure Reform have some idiots too, when they find them people can call that out. But it's low level people at council level here.
As long as there's the same level of focus on wronguns brought up in interviews etc which never seemed to happen.
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Lala
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I’m not sure we’ve has a massive shift to the right. We have a situation with the volume of illegal immigrants and how they are getting here and why they are coming. That in itself may make it seem like we are heading to the right, but for a lot of us, including me, that’s a single issue, and the volumes are climbing, so a new issue in some respects.
When I think about moving more to the right in general, I’m very uncomfortable, and for that reason Reform will not be for me.
Even welfare reform is needed. The claim rates have shot up disproportionately over the last 5 years. It isn’t right wing to accept that we are over paying benefits and we have to look at how to manage that. Also, the more people we put onto welfare of any kind, the less there is for those who genuinely need all of our support.
For me illegal immigration and welfare reform should be matters we are proactively managing, both from a left and centrist perspective.
JJpool
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We have from where we were, with people unable to say what a woman is for e.g.
The conversations around immigration, crimes committed etc, remember yheres been pressure to release that data.
Trump getting in, elon buying x meaning they couldn't shut down things as easily now if at all, it's all shifted narratives.
You say it's not RW to discuss those things and others but it has been classed as that in the not too distant past.
Things have undoubtedly changed fast in the last year or so, by parties like reform making arguments more common and more mainstream.
The benefits thing is a massive issue. Farage knows he needs the votes from the none working class and to a large extent he panders to them with the highlighting of immigration as an issue and his pledge to remove the two children benefit cap.
His main priority is to give tax breaks to the wealthy but he isn't going to go overboard on that one.
Lets say he totally eradicates immigration as an issue with some sort of 1 out 1 in basis.
Is he prepared to maintain thousands and thousands of people on benefits to stay that way and encourage them to have children by removing the cap?
How does he fund that when the wealthy pay less tax.
Has he got any ideas or solutions that will get people on long term/life long reliance off benefits?
As things stand no chance of me voting for Reform, as the grey tracksuited, ball scratching, pavement cycling, weed smoking, Stella swigging, shoplifting, benefit swindling section of the population seem to be a large part of Reforms target audience and personally they are the section of society that are the biggest irritant to me.
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What worse than it is now.
No border control a complete disaster.
Hmmmm, not sure how it could be worse.
Anyhow I think we will find out because Labour are done for.
JJpool
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Its a time limited mission, the country is changing for the worse at an alaring rate and the 2 tired old parties aren't going to do it.
How safe will women be in 10 years if these boats carry on coming and unknown people from cultures that treat women every differently keep arriving.
People need to wake up and luckily many are.
Lala
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JJpool
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No he wants to benefit all levels of society.
They want to try and improve the birth rate so immigration is less needed, that policy is part of a package if policies to do that. Its unpopular with the base, however many foreign born people have more anyway before the cap removal, if it helps British people it may be good. It can also help some working families. More recently also there was this.
They've already laid out many areas, have a look.
You'll have to look for all the details, but they'll try and reduce benefits, assess people in person, try and catch the chances and people who dont need to be on benefits. Encourage people back to work.
The 20k income tax allowance threshold is also key to make work pay, currently if on benefits and earning more or similar there's little motivation.
If the policy encourages and helps thoughtful, sensible people on lower earned incomes to have the children then that is positive.
Personally im not interested in their nationality, ethnicity or colour if they are people that contribute to society and are good parents they should be helped.
My partners dad is a muslim from North Africa so I'd be a bit hippocritical if i was to say all immigration is a bad thing.
I do try at all times to be honest so I'll give you this,there are some aspects of the Islamic faith that she wants nowhere near the UK, most of these things are linked to the worst sort of men. However there are other aspects that she finds beautiful and community spirited.
To summarise some people are bad, some are good, but rarely will you find a large group of humans from anywhere where the majority of them are bad.
JJpool
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That's the issue though, we tend to be too soft and let in anyone, then in the past have allowed radical elements to go almost unchallenged, even things that are banned in other Muslim countries, I posted a video the other day showing people talking about this.
But more culturally the mire people we let in who come from very different cultures the more risk, we're already seeing that difference in attitude in some crime stats. It’s often been swept under the carpet, or tried to be.
Ive said it before it only makes sense to me to emigrate to a country if you have some sort of affinity with it. Different if you are an asylum seeker where primarily i assume you just want to be safe.
I'll end on a positive for you, her Dad has gone back to Africa because the food and climate are no longer agreeable here so that's one less for you to worry about
JJpool
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Lala
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How safe will women be if Reform get elected, with candidates ‘like’ Andrew Tate waiting in the wings
JJpool
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Expect hes absolutely nothing to do with reform and never will be, not supported in any way.
You're just making a ridiculous false equivalence now.
No surprise who it was liked by either.
Maybe speak to people like this...
poolseasider
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Safer than Labour's Dan Norris if he ever got back on the scene.
Wizaard
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How does it benefit all of society by not funding the NHS?
The poorest won't be able to afford the insurance scheme he wants to bring in.
Lala
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I’m quoting you when you said that if we are worried about Farage there are far more extreme types who are like Tate waiting to take over.
If the best selling point Reform have is to threaten with even worse then as a sales pitch goes, it’s extremely ineffective.