The reality of Reform being in positions of power

Nigel Farage, "Maybe we're nearing the end of times for the democratic process.. I want to be Prime Minister to use the position to change things"

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If it looks like Fascism, smells like Fascism and tastes like Fascism ...............

He said it
 
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Lala said:
I’m quoting you when you said that if we are worried about Farage there are far more extreme types who are like Tate waiting to take over.
If the best selling point Reform have is to threaten with even worse then as a sales pitch goes, it’s extremely ineffective.
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No I never said that, they cant take over Reform but if Reform didn't exist someone else fills the void, thats obvious, likely Rupert Lowe and or Ben Habib atm who are a bit more radical, but you never know, thats the point.

With people not being listened to it can lead them to go to someone who does listen.

So you've misinterpreted what was said, it's not a sales pitch it was likely a question put to Farage being answered in an honest way.

Their sales pitch is their policies.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Nigel Farage, "Maybe we're nearing the end of times for the democratic process.. I want to be Prime Minister to use the position to change things"

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If it looks like Fascism, smells like Fascism and tastes like Fascism ...............
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Interesting as that comes from a far left propaganda account so we now know who you watch, no surprise.

Talk about disingenuous, hes saying the democratic system is failing due to systematic failures and inefficiencies, advocating for radical changes to fix it.

You really are clueless aren't you.

That same account posts lies like this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933496228236656977

Expect the Labour man was lying or completely deluded, wasnt he.
 
JJpool said:
Interesting as that comes from a far left propaganda account so we now know who you watch, no surprise.

Talk about disingenuous, hes saying the democratic system is failing due to systematic failures and inefficiencies, advocating for radical changes to fix it.

You really are clueless aren't you.

That same account posts lies like this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933496228236656977

Expect the Labour man was lying or completely deluded, wasnt he.
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The account holder did not say it, Farage did.

This is getting a bit like the old joke about Trump walking down Wall Street with an AR 15 killing people, and MAGA would still say its fake news.

He was also very keen on this clip to get rid of the right to Family Life. You do realise that that applies to you and me as well as immigrants, don't you?

For once, play the ball, not the man.

Edit to add, if you think Alistair Campbell and Carol Vorderman are extremists, well, I don't know what to say.
 
contraryalf said:
The point is that these were their BEST five. The people they thought most likely to appeal to the electorate. It's not going very well, and once people start noting how much damage their local loons are doing at the local level the rot will really set in.
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To be fair, Alf, I'm sure a lot of Reform councillors stood with the best of intentions, and were probably not the first to realise what they had signed on to until after the elections. The abuse the guy with cancer got was disgusting. Equally, expecting an 18 year old to run a council, even for a day, is utterly insane.

I suspect many will fall by the wayside, the capable will stick at it, maybe some solid eyes open further Reform supported will join, it will take a while to settle down.

Just as Jeremy Corbyn found, it is easy to be Grumpy ( I don't care what it is but I'm agin it!) but very difficult to adapt to actually doing and improving. Having an anti immigration policy doesn't help prioritising mental heath care, education, social care.
 
Remember that there's "always a tweet".

These statements of today, can be the broken promises of tomorrow. Stating that they won't advocate for an insurance based system is like Labour with their no income tax increase (which they've stuck to but made themselves a laughing stock by creating random tax and cuts to make up their straight jacket)
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The account holder did not say it, Farage did.

This is getting a bit like the old joke about Trump walking down Wall Street with an AR 15 killing people, and MAGA would still say its fake news.

He was also very keen on this clip to get rid of the right to Family Life. You do realise that that applies to you and me as well as immigrants, don't you?

For once, play the ball, not the man.

Edit to add, if you think Alistair Campbell and Carol Vorderman are extremists, well, I don't know what to say.
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The account holder clipped and framed it and you took it as such.

You’ve then gone down the line of accusing him of Fascism because it suits your narrative.

He's doing nothing of the sort.

Youve been completely exposed unfortunately.

Here's the full clip.


He's speaking from the perspective of what voters are saying to him. Totally different to what you presented to us.

As I said that account is a hard left disingenuous propaganda account and you've fallen for it.

Will you admit it now?
 
contraryalf said:
The point is that these were their BEST five. The people they thought most likely to appeal to the electorate. It's not going very well, and once people start noting how much damage their local loons are doing at the local level the rot will really set in.
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How can a non vetted paper candidate be one of their best 5, you're not making any sense.
 
JJpool said:
The account holder clipped and framed it and you took it as such.

You’ve then gone down the line of accusing him of Fascism because it suits your narrative.

He's doing nothing of the sort.

Youve been completely exposed unfortunately.

Here's the full clip.


He's speaking from the perspective of what voters are saying to him. Totally different to what you presented to us.

As I said that account is a hard left disingenuous propaganda account and you've fallen for it.

Will you admit it now?
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Thanks for the full clip, glad you are happy to confirm he did say it. You are putting a different spin on it to others.

There is no such thing as the hard left, if there is no such thing as the extreme right.

Do you care about the right to family life or not?

Are Alistair Campbell and Carol Vorderman extreme left?

Easy this constant questioning and never answering substantive points

lol
 
Lala said:
I’m quoting you when you said that if we are worried about Farage there are far more extreme types who are like Tate waiting to take over.
If the best selling point Reform have is to threaten with even worse then as a sales pitch goes, it’s extremely ineffective.
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Well said.

JJ and Farage also seem to have missed Tate’s apparent conversion to Islam a couple of years ago.

Don’t try to make sense of it.

Other than if you think “grifter”. Farage and Tate. Then it makes sense.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Thanks for the full clip, glad you are happy to confirm he did say it. You are putting a different spin on it to others.

There is no such thing as the hard left, if there is no such thing as the extreme right.

Do you care about the right to family life or not?

Are Alistair Campbell and Carol Vorderman extreme left?

Easy this constant questioning and never answering substantive points

lol
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JJ is on record as having said that he quite liked the policies of the National Front.
 
Wizaard said:
So why has Farage explicity said the NHS won't be funded from general taxation and he wants an insurance based system?
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He's looked at other ways but is clear in the manifesto and in policy that it'll remain free at the point of use.

No matter how much Labour try and spin it.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well said.

JJ and Farage also seem to have missed Tate’s apparent conversion to Islam a couple of years ago.

Don’t try to make sense of it.

Other than if you think “grifter”. Farage and Tate. Then it makes sense.
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It wasn't well said though as I never said he'd be in Reform and never will be so were going off down a pointless angle that don't based in anything.

What Tate is or isnt is no relevance to anything.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
JJ is on record as having said that he quite liked the policies of the National Front.
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Now you're being a disingenuous bell end.

There were some pictures of posters containing mostly nothing too offensive. As even chunky seemed to say.

I wasn't born when the national front were around and knew little about them and reacted to the pics. As you know.

Do you like dogs and Blackpool, Hitler liked dogs and Blackpool, are you a you nazi?

Is thay the level of debate you're going to. Trying to label a fellow pool fan who agreed with statements like make Britain great again, defend our old folk etc

Idiot.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Thanks for the full clip, glad you are happy to confirm he did say it. You are putting a different spin on it to others.

There is no such thing as the hard left, if there is no such thing as the extreme right.

Do you care about the right to family life or not?

Are Alistair Campbell and Carol Vorderman extreme left?

Easy this constant questioning and never answering substantive points

lol
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So you won't admit you were wrong, he wasnt saying it like you said at all was he. Was saying what people say to him. Completely different.

Just admit when you're wrong.

Why is it people can't back down on here. Ruins debate.

I wouldn't be using Campbell as an example given what he was involved in, ffs.
 
JJpool said:
Now you're being a disingenuous bell end.

There were some pictures of posters containing mostly nothing too offensive. As even chunky seemed to say.

I wasn't born when the national front were around and knew little about them and reacted to the pics. As you know.

Do you like dogs and Blackpool, Hitler liked dogs and Blackpool, are you a you nazi?

Is thay the level of debate you're going to. Trying to label a fellow pool fan who agreed with statements like make Britain great again, defend our old folk etc

Idiot.
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So you seem to know everything about everything but were caught blind by posts about the NF and needed it explained to you. That the NF were a racist, neo fascist and anti semitic group of thugs. Righto.

But their policies were everything you’d been reading about lately, even though it was 40 years old.

You were pushing your beloved Overton Window, trying to make the previously unacceptable, popular.

Own it.
 
JJpool said:
So you won't admit you were wrong, he wasnt saying it like you said at all was he. Was saying what people say to him. Completely different.

Just admit when you're wrong.

Why is it people can't back down on here. Ruins debate.

I wouldn't be using Campbell as an example given what he was involved in, ffs.
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Ooh, the irony of that statement
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So you seem to know everything about everything but were caught blind by posts about the NF and needed it explained to you. That the NF were a racist, neo fascist and anti semitic group of thugs.

But their policies were everything you’d been about reading lately, even though it was 40 years old.

You were pushing your beloved Overton Window, trying to make the previously unacceptable, popular.

Own it.
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I've never claimed to know everything.

Why would I care about a movement that never came up in my life.

Post the pics and some of the non offensive statements.

The overton window is shifting so that ridiculous things like not knowing what a woman is or other silly LW nonesense os now not as mainstream, thats good. I bet you suppoted it all though.

I'm one of the only ones who does hold their hands up on here and say when they're wrong. So I did own it.

The fact your trying to bring it up non stop shows who you are.
 
JJpool said:
I've never claimed to know everything.

Why would I care about a movement that never came up in my life.

Post the pics and some of the non offensive statements.

The overton window is shifting so that ridiculous things like not knowing what a woman is or other silly LW nonesense os now not as mainstream, thats good. I bet you suppoted it all though.

I'm one of the only ones who does hold their hands up on here and say when they're wrong. So I did own it.

The fact you’re trying to bring it up non stop shows who you are.
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😂 The truth is that you were pushing the envelope. And you got caught out.

And are now back pedalling at a rate of knots.

I can see the headlines now.

“Reform Activist JJ claims that NF policies weren’t all bad”.

😂 If Reform is properly vetting its candidates that’s the end of your political career.

Along with the Andrew Tate, slightly homoerotic, love in. (Nowt wrong with the homo erotic love in by the way. Just not high up on the Reform agenda, I’d have thought).
 
JJpool said:
Now you're being a disingenuous bell end.

There were some pictures of posters containing mostly nothing too offensive. As even chunky seemed to say.

I wasn't born when the national front were around and knew little about them and reacted to the pics. As you know.

Do you like dogs and Blackpool, Hitler liked dogs and Blackpool, are you a you nazi?

Is thay the level of debate you're going to. Trying to label a fellow pool fan who agreed with statements like make Britain great again, defend our old folk etc

Idiot..
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Those of us that can actually remember them know that they were odious fascists who were intent on spreading racial hatred and causing minority British citizens to live in fear. They were generally hated by both left and right and contained a fair amount of rather strange and marginalised people. Society has improved immensely since the 60's and 70's in so many ways. It's far better nowadays but we do have some problems like every society.

You are on here daily predicting the end of the west and the breakdown of society with a kind of misplaced nostalgia for times that you didn't actually live in. It's like when Farage drives round in vehicles that were used in WW2 - how would he know? It was worse in those days in so many ways. We have modern day problems now that is true but generally we live in a more peaceful and tolerant society that is generally kinder and more accepting. I sense a reluctance to accept that things change constantly and a yearning to return to a utopian past that never existed.
 
JJpool said:
Now you're being a disingenuous bell end.

There were some pictures of posters containing mostly nothing too offensive. As even chunky seemed to say.

I wasn't born when the national front were around and knew little about them and reacted to the pics. As you know.

Do you like dogs and Blackpool, Hitler liked dogs and Blackpool, are you a you nazi?

Is thay the level of debate you're going to. Trying to label a fellow pool fan who agreed with statements like make Britain great again, defend our old folk etc

Idiot.
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You wear your ignorance like a badge of honour.

Not a good look when you insist on lecturing us all day in, day out.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Those of us that can actually remember them know that they were odious fascists who were intent on spreading racial hatred and causing minority British citizens to live in fear. They were generally hated by both left and right and contained a fair amount of rather strange and marginalised people. Society has improved immensely since the 60's and 70's in so many ways. It's far better nowadays but we do have some problems like every society.

You are on here daily predicting the end of the west and the breakdown of society with a kind of misplaced nostalgia for times that you didn't actually live in. It's like when Farage drives round in vehicles that were used in WW2 - how would he know? It was worse in those days in so many ways. We have modern day problems now that is true but generally we live in a more peaceful and tolerant society that is generally kinder and more accepting. I sense a reluctance to accept that things change constantly and a yearning to return to a utopian past that never existed.
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Reading some of the comments on immigrants on here
I reckon they’re still around
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The truth is that you were pushing the envelope. And you got caught out.

And are now back pedalling at a rate of knots.

I can see the headlines now.

“Reform Activist JJ claims that NF policies weren’t all bad”.

If Reform is properly vetting its candidates that’s the end of your political career.

Along with the Andrew Tate, slightly homoerotic, love in. (Nowt wrong with the homo erotic love in by the way. Just not high up on the Reform agenda, I’d have thought).
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Such a weird guy.

Am nothing to do with Reform.

And no it showed no trust in the establishment that was all. I wasn't pushing any envelope, you're obsessed. You been drinking again?

I'd already have been disqualified for posting a TR video. But I understand why politically they do what they do, as the MSM will just use things to attack them.

Interesting how everyone is going on about Tate and then blaming me for replying, its now a love in.

Again, very weird take.
 
JJpool said:
Such a weird guy.

Am nothing to do with Reform.

And no it showed no trust in the establishment that was all. I wasn't pushing any envelope, you're obsessed. You been drinking again?

I'd already have been disqualified for posting a TR video. But I understand why politically they do what they do, as the MSM will just use things to attack them.

Interesting how everyone is going on about Tate and then blaming me for replying, its now a love in.

Again, very weird take.
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😂 😂 😂

Seriously? 😂

You are nothing to do with Reform? 😂 😂
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Those of us that can actually remember them know that they were odious fascists who were intent on spreading racial hatred and causing minority British citizens to live in fear. They were generally hated by both left and right and contained a fair amount of rather strange and marginalised people. Society has improved immensely since the 60's and 70's in so many ways. It's far better nowadays but we do have some problems like every society.

You are on here daily predicting the end of the west and the breakdown of society with a kind of misplaced nostalgia for times that you didn't actually live in. It's like when Farage drives round in vehicles that were used in WW2 - how would he know? It was worse in those days in so many ways. We have modern day problems now that is true but generally we live in a more peaceful and tolerant society that is generally kinder and more accepting. I sense a reluctance to accept that things change constantly and a yearning to return to a utopian past that never existed.
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Great.

No I'm not, bu I post about much discussed and topical issues that many normal people care about.

Are you comaping knowledge of the war to other insignificant events in comparison now?

No, there was a time when this country was far less divided and when immigration wasnt really an issue. Not anymore as the establishment have taken the piss out of people and not listened for decades.
 
JJpool said:
Great.

No I'm not, bu I post about much discussed and topical issues that many normal people care about.

Are you comaping knowledge of the war to other insignificant events in comparison now?

No, there was a time when this country was far less divided and when immigration wasnt really an issue. Not anymore as the establishment have taken the piss out of people and not listened for decades.
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So when was this time “when this country was far less divided and when immigration wasn’t really an issue”?

Was it the 1930s when Mosley’s fascists were marching through the East End of London attacking the Jewish community?

Was it in the 1950s when Mosley’s fascists were attacking the West Indian immigrants invited here as part of the Windrush generation?

Was it the 1970s onwards when the NF were attacking immigrants from South Asia.

Seriously. If you claim not to know about the NF, how can you possibly claim there was a time when this country was far less divided and immigration wasn’t an issue?

Either you know your history or you don’t.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So when was this time “when this country was far less divided and when immigration wasn’t really an issue”?

Was it the 1930s when Mosley’s fascists were marching through the East End of London attacking the Jewish community?

Was it in the 1950s when Mosley’s fascists were attacking the West Indian immigrants invited here as part of the Windrush generation?

Was it the 1970s onwards when the NF were attacking immigrants from South Asia.

Seriously. If you claim not to know about the NF, how can you possibly claim there was a time when this country was far less divided and immigration wasn’t an issue?

Either you know your history or you don’t.
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A time before Blair opened the doors, it was working better at lower levels.

Not difficult is it.

They'll always be people against things, but now its mainstream and the failure to deal with it has lead today.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yeah. I saw. Tony Blair at the root of all today’s problems. And before then we lived in the Land of Milk and Honey

I’m not a huge fan of Blair but, by your own admission, you’re not big on history are you.
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So you know all of history do you in detail...

There's no doubt that since the increased numbers integration is harder, it all make perfect sense really.

You won't intergrate as well if at all if theres no real need or if you're going into a community that has little contact with brits or if English speaking isnt prominent.
 
JJpool said:
So you know all of history do you in detail...

There's no doubt that since the increased numbers integration is harder, it all make perfect sense really.

You won't intergrate as well if at all if theres no real need or if you're going into a community that has little contact with brits or if English speaking isnt prominent.
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But immigration is your self proclaimed specialist topic.

And yet apparently you’d never heard about the National Front, and their valuable contribution to integration.
 
JJpool said:
A time before Blair opened the doors, it was working better at lower levels.

Not difficult is it.

They'll always be people against things, but now its mainstream and the failure to deal with it has lead today.
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Utter nonsense. Long before Blair, signs in boarding houses said 'No dogs, no Irish, no blacks'.

Good old days before they brought in legislation to stop that stuff. Attitudes were still there though.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
But immigration is your self proclaimed specialist topic.

And yet apparently you’d never heard about the National Front, and their valuable contribution to integration.
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Never said I'd not heard of them, just didn't know any detail about them.

The posters on the pics didn't show what was expected and given past lies by the government many like me are skeptical of labelling. Its been used as a weapon for too long.

It's not my speciality subject, im just a normal concerned citizen.
 
Wizaard said:
Utter nonsense. Long before Blair, signs in boarding houses said 'No dogs, no Irish, no blacks'.

Good old days before they brought in legislation to stop that stuff. Attitudes were still there though.
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Its not nonesense, its more mainstream today whereas it was fringe back then.

"Data from the British Social Attitudes survey shows that in the early 1990s, only about 25% of the public viewed immigration as a major issue, compared to over 50% in recent years, indicating it was more of a fringe concern then".

"In 2025, around 50-71% of Britons view immigration as a top issue or believe levels are too high, a significant rise from the 25% in the early 1990s, reflecting a shift from fringe to mainstream concern".
 
I am quite impressed by Reforms commitment to trialling some of their policies. The 1 in 1 out immigration policy is being given a test run in their Parliamentary Party, every time they get another MP shortly after they lose one.
 
JJpool said:
Its not nonesense, its more mainstream today whereas it was fringe back then.

"Data from the British Social Attitudes survey shows that in the early 1990s, only about 25% of the public viewed immigration as a major issue, compared to over 50% in recent years, indicating it was more of a fringe concern then".

"In 2025, around 50-71% of Britons view immigration as a top issue or believe levels are too high, a significant rise from the 25% in the early 1990s, reflecting a shift from fringe to mainstream concern".
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You have already said you know little about the National Front.

Racist attitudes were far more prevalent back in the 60s and 70s. Casual racism was a regular staple in TV comedy for example.

You're fond of digging up clips. Have a look at Love thy Neighbour and Til Death do us part. Mainstream TV with 10s of millions of viewers.

Not fringe.
 
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