The Sham

I know you've all gleefully launched into this but both you and the Heil have deliberately missed the point. Black lives matter is a concept, not an organisation. If there is a BLM organisation sullying the good name of the concept then it needs to be rightfully shunned. Alas, I fear that too many people want to jump on a band waggon that dismisses the concept because of the failings of the organisation.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I know you've all gleefully launched into this but both you and the Heil have deliberately missed the point. Black lives matter is a concept, not an organisation. If there is a BLM organisation sullying the good name of the concept then it needs to be rightfully shunned. Alas, I fear that too many people want to jump on a band waggon that dismisses the concept because of the failings of the organisation.
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I agree. It’s a bit like judging Tory voters by the morals of Tory MPs.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I know you've all gleefully launched into this but both you and the Heil have deliberately missed the point. Black lives matter is a concept, not an organisation. If there is a BLM organisation sullying the good name of the concept then it needs to be rightfully shunned. Alas, I fear that too many people want to jump on a band waggon that dismisses the concept because of the failings of the organisation.
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Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people can’t grasp that concept, even though it’s been explained time and time again, particularly by the players who take the knee.
Either that, or they just don’t want to grasp it?
 
Johnno said:
Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people can’t grasp that concept, even though it’s been explained time and time again, particularly by the players who take the knee.
Either that, or they just don’t want to grasp it?
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And I’d have thought the recent horrific murders in Buffalo by a white supremacist would have convinced even the most blinkered of the need for a BLM Movement.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I know you've all gleefully launched into this but both you and the Heil have deliberately missed the point. Black lives matter is a concept, not an organisation. If there is a BLM organisation sullying the good name of the concept then it needs to be rightfully shunned. Alas, I fear that too many people want to jump on a band waggon that dismisses the concept because of the failings of the organisation.
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Sounds a bit religion-ey that. Sorry our priests are ** young boys in the arse but we still preach kindness. Nah.
 
Unbelievable it's defending the indefensible BLM is a movement which some jumped on board with after what happened in America hardly anyone had heard of them before that.

They have found out to be totally corrupt their message for equality and to stamp out racism can be told by anyone the rest of their views are off the chart.

This story has been kicking around for weeks and people of all colour have been bringing it up but because of the the way things have become hardly gets reported.
 
poolseasider said:
Unbelievable it's defending the indefensible BLM is a movement which some jumped on board with after what happened in America hardly anyone had heard of them before that.

They have found out to be totally corrupt their message for equality and to stamp out racism can be told by anyone the rest of their views are off the chart.

This story has been kicking around for weeks and people of all colour have been bringing it up but because of the the way things have become hardly gets reported.
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Haven’t seen anyone defending the scammers/thieves. People are just pointing out that they are just a few individuals and aren’t representative of the whole movement.

It’s a bit like condemning all football fans as hooligans because a handful of football fans are.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Haven’t seen anyone defending the scammers/thieves. People are just pointing out that they are just a few individuals and aren’t representative of the whole movement.

It’s a bit like condemning all football fans as hooligans because a handful of football fans are.
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It doesn't wash though Mex. They were rioting through the first lockdown and are very intolerant in their own right.

Everyone trying to be an activist in life really is a problem that needs stamping out. Especially when it is an inane as white middle-aged men jumping on the BLM bandwagon. In my experience, the whole participation in these types of things only serves the participant anyway - to feel better or look down on others - and certainly doesn't progress the cause in any meaningful way. I changed my Facebook profile picture to blue and yellow for Ukraine last month which I am sure everyone can agree is tremendously helpful. That type of thing.

Just be a good human, look after your family and if you have anything left after that, be a part of your local community. That's it. It's not hard.
 
rockontommy said:
It doesn't wash though Mex. They were rioting through the first lockdown and are very intolerant in their own right.

Everyone trying to be an activist in life really is a problem that needs stamping out. Especially when it is an inane as white middle-aged men jumping on the BLM bandwagon. In my experience, the whole participation in these types of things only serves the participant anyway - to feel better or look down on others - and certainly doesn't progress the cause in any meaningful way. I changed my Facebook profile picture to blue and yellow for Ukraine last month which I am sure everyone can agree is tremendously helpful. That type of thing.

Just be a good human, look after your family and if you have anything left after that, be a part of your local community. That's it. It's not hard.
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That’s all well and good and I agree with the sentiments in your last paragraph. But how do you tackle racism if you aren’t prepared to challenge it when you find it in others?

And clearly it needs to be challenged when you look at events like those in Buffalo.
 
Johnno said:
Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people can’t grasp that concept, even though it’s been explained time and time again, particularly by the players who take the knee.
Either that, or they just don’t want to grasp it?
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Does Zuby Music not grasp it?
Watch the video, it's of a black man saying all these gestures don't matter.
Taking the knee accomplishs nothing, being kind to a fellow human being does.
Can you grasp that?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
That’s all well and good and I agree with the sentiments in your last paragraph. But how do you tackle racism if you aren’t prepared to challenge it when you find it in others?

And clearly it needs to be challenged when you look at events like those in Buffalo.
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Why not let the citizens of Buffalo worry about it? Seriously. I mean if your neighbours were about to organise a lynching then, of course, intervene. I'd be worried if you didn't.
 
rockontommy said:
Why not let the citizens of Buffalo worry about it? Seriously. I mean if your neighbours were about to organise a lynching then, of course, intervene. I'd be worried if you didn't.
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So unless a case of, say, child abuse happened in my street or neighbourhood then I shouldn’t have a view? Or be concerned?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So unless a case of, say, child abuse happened in my street or neighbourhood then I shouldn’t have a view? Or be concerned?
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The likelihood is there will be child abuse happening on your street and neighborhood. While you're concerned for the black citizens of Buffalo.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Does Zuby Music not grasp it?
Watch the video, it's of a black man saying all these gestures don't matter.
Taking the knee accomplishs nothing, being kind to a fellow human being does.
Can you grasp that?
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Watched it. And I agree with a lot of what he said. But apart from platitudes about “being kind to a fellow human being” he doesn’t actually say what he’d do to challenge racism and the agenda of white racists and their “great replacement” theory.
 
rockontommy said:
The likelihood is there will be child abuse happening on your street and neighborhood. While you're concerned for the black citizens of Buffalo.
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If I knew or suspected there was a case of child abuse in my street then I’d take the appropriate steps. That doesn’t mean I can’t be concerned or have a view about wider issues such as racism.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Does Zuby Music not grasp it?
Watch the video, it's of a black man saying all these gestures don't matter.
Taking the knee accomplishs nothing, being kind to a fellow human being does.
Can you grasp that?
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That’s not what we’re debating though. I was merely pointing out that some people still a think that there’s a no difference between BLM (the organisation) and the idea that Black Lives Matter
 
Johnno said:
That’s not what we’re debating though. I was merely pointing out that some people still a think that there’s a no difference between BLM (the organisation) and the idea that Black Lives Matter
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BLM- Corrupt organisation.
If you don't think -Black Lives Matter your a racist plain and simple and it's how you change their view point and BLM certainly haven't done that their divisive.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Because its impossible to be concerned about more than one issue?

Load of bollocks argument.
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You can be concerned about as many things as you like but practically, you are better placed to affect change in the issues that are closer to home. Very simple unless you can demonstrate to me how Mex's concern for the citizens of Buffalo translates to positive action?

The best post on this site by a country mile this week has been from koudo suggesting supporters buses and trains for BFC fans. Lost in a sea of inane chit chat which I have contributed to, granted.
 
rockontommy said:
You can be concerned about as many things as you like but practically, you are better placed to affect change in the issues that are closer to home. Very simple unless you can demonstrate to me how Mex's concern for the citizens of Buffalo translates to positive action?
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I agree it doesn’t translate into positive action except by maybe tweaking people’s perspectives slightly. But surely you have to start by being concerned?

It’s also worth noting that the White Supremacist movement is truly international, now more than ever with internet. If I waited until they were actually marching down my street to talk about it it’d probably be a bit late.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I agree it doesn’t translate into positive action except by maybe tweaking people’s perspectives slightly. But surely you have to start by being concerned?

It’s also worth noting that the White Supremacist movement is truly international, now more than ever with internet. If I waited until they were actually marching down my street to talk about it it’d probably be a bit late.
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There's absolutely no evidence that this is the case and in fact, all I see is a widening chasm between an 'educated' laptop class preaching a message that most ordinary people don't want to hear as they've got too many of their own run-of-the-mill problems to contend with ie life. Anyway, gotta go - kids football. Nice to have a civilised chat, even if we see things only slightly differently 👍🏻
 
rockontommy said:
You can be concerned about as many things as you like but practically, you are better placed to affect change in the issues that are closer to home. Very simple unless you can demonstrate to me how Mex's concern for the citizens of Buffalo translates to positive action?

The best post on this site by a country mile this week has been from koudo suggesting supporters buses and trains for BFC fans. Lost in a sea of inane chit chat which I have contributed to, granted.
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Grant Ward?

Racism is still a local issue, banging on about Buffalo doesn't change that.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
If I knew or suspected there was a case of child abuse in my street then I’d take the appropriate steps. That doesn’t mean I can’t be concerned or have a view about wider issues such as racism.
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Toryism writ large. Focus on yourself and let others take care of themselves.
 
Clearly Patrisse Cullors and her BLM cronies have used the organisation to further their own interests. It doesn't mean that people urging equality for all are in any way wrong, but that organisation never did want equality and despite all the kneeling and bowing I think most people knew that. There are plenty of honourable charities which will be harmed by corrupt organisations like this. The fact is that anyone promoting the lives of one ethnicity as more important than another are racist and should be treated as such.
 
rockontommy said:
There's absolutely no evidence that this is the case and in fact, all I see is a widening chasm between an 'educated' laptop class preaching a message that most ordinary people don't want to hear as they've got too many of their own run-of-the-mill problems to contend with ie life. Anyway, gotta go - kids football. Nice to have a civilised chat, even if we see things only slightly differently 👍🏻
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Bit patronising.
 
rockontommy said:
The likelihood is there will be child abuse happening on your street and neighborhood. While you're concerned for the black citizens of Buffalo.
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And if child abuse is evidenced then all good citizens will call it out and report it. There's no rule that says people should support one cause but not another.
 
It’s an overblown issue, I’ve lived all over the country and spent 50 years in the south, part of my responsibility was Brixton and I never heard or saw any racism. People just want to create issues that don’t exist. Yes there’s a minority of black, white and brown who hold extreme racist views, but it is a minority. People are being killed in Ukraine, much more important to get behind that than any activist agenda.
 
Matesrates said:
It’s an overblown issue, I’ve lived all over the country and spent 50 years in the south, part of my responsibility was Brixton and I never heard or saw any racism. People just want to create issues that don’t exist. Yes there’s a minority of black, white and brown who hold extreme racist views, but it is a minority. People are being killed in Ukraine, much more important to get behind that than any activist agenda.
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Racism doesn't exist, homosexuality is being overstated. What's next on your list today?
 
Matesrates said:
They’re the province of the minority and the media love to exaggerate anything to give them oxygen. The vast majority is people are tolerant and inclusive.
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I’d agree that racism and homophobia aren’t as overt as they were when you and I were young but they are still around.
 
Matesrates said:
They’re the province of the minority and the media love to exaggerate anything to give them oxygen. The vast majority is people are tolerant and inclusive.
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Tell that to various police forces in the USA.
Or the Uighurs in China,
Or the Chechens in Syria,
Or women throughout the Middle East,
Or homosexuals in Saudi Arabia.
 
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But we’re not the USA, we can’t sort their problems
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Sorry, you didn't qualify your statement that "The vast majority is people are tolerant and inclusive," by saying that you are only talking about people in Britain. My take on the thread is that it covers racism, homophobia and misogyny the whole world over.
 
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