The Unholy Alliance

EdgeleyTangerine said:
So what you really mean is you won’t have anyone to blame but you won’t be able to accept you were wrong.
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They're the last chance to save the country, I don't think you realise how serious this is. We're on decline, societal, demographic, culturally.

If it carries on as is what will the country look like in 5, 10, 20 years...
 
JJpool said:
They're the last chance to save the country, I don't think you realise how serious this is. We're on decline, societal, demographic, culturally.

If it carries on as is what will the country look like in 5, 10, 20 years...
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But Farages big idea was leaving the EU and ever since we left the decline has increased rapidly, if he's in charge in a few years time and has a few more big ideas that don't work he is in a big way responsible for the decline of the UK.
Of course he might be amazing for the post industrial towns of Northern England, Wales and Scotland but the buck will stop with him. Not sure he will be that good under pressure and he doesn't appear to be a healthy man, could be a poisoned chalice for him.
Maybe he should just retire to France and quietly enjoy his golden years.
 
JJpool said:
They're the last chance to save the country, I don't think you realise how serious this is. We're on decline, societal, demographic, culturally.

If it carries on as is what will the country look like in 5, 10, 20 years...
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You really think one of the architects of Brexit is the man to save the country? The man who has contributed to the current societal, demographic and cultural decline. Are the electorate really going to have their trousers pulled down again?

I dread to think what the country will look like in 10, 20 years time if Reform get in. Probably not something too dissimilar to America which is going down the toilet faster than one of Trump’s turds.
 
gjr said:
But Farages big idea was leaving the EU and ever since we left the decline has increased rapidly, if he's in charge in a few years time and has a few more big ideas that don't work he is in a big way responsible for the decline of the UK.
Of course he might be amazing for the post industrial towns of Northern England, Wales and Scotland but the buck will stop with him. Not sure he will be that good under pressure and he doesn't appear to be a healthy man, could be a poisoned chalice for him.
Maybe he should just retire to France and quietly enjoy his golden years.
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It’s unbelievable that the man who orchestrated Brexit is now seen as the man to save the country. We really are screwed.
 
gjr said:
But Farages big idea was leaving the EU and ever since we left the decline has increased rapidly, if he's in charge in a few years time and has a few more big ideas that don't work he is in a big way responsible for the decline of the UK.
Of course he might be amazing for the post industrial towns of Northern England, Wales and Scotland but the buck will stop with him. Not sure he will be that good under pressure and he doesn't appear to be a healthy man, could be a poisoned chalice for him.
Maybe he should just retire to France and quietly enjoy his golden years.
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The decline was because of Tory choices, nowt to do with Nigel, apart from helping get full independence back. Of course then that means we can succeed or fail on our own merits and need a government for the people.
 
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EdgeleyTangerine said:
You really think one of the architects of Brexit is the man to save the country? The man who has contributed to the current societal, demographic and cultural decline. Are the electorate really going to have their trousers pulled down again?

I dread to think what the country will look like in 10, 20 years time if Reform get in. Probably not something too dissimilar to America which is going down the toilet faster than one of Trump’s turds.
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See above.

They will massively slow down immigration and do all they can to stop the boats, including whatever is necessary.
 
JJpool said:
The decline was because of Tory choices, nowt to do with Nigel, apart from helping get full independence back. Of course then that means we cns succeed or faul on our own merislt and need a government for the people.
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Im guessing a government for the people will be hitting immigration very hard with one hand and giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy with the other.
Not sure how that directly helps people in the forgotten towns of post industrial Britain but time will tell.
Farage always struck me as a problems man, he sees the perceived problem, he mentions it and then he amplifies it.
What we need is a solutions man, is that Farage or is he too beholden to the people and organisations that fund his party.
I must add that Labour and Conservative aren't providing many solutions and ego and personal gain often gets the better of them.
Its a sad situation the UK finds itself in.
 
gjr said:
Im guessing a government for the people will be hitting immigration very hard with one hand and giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy with the other.
Not sure how that directly helps people in the forgotten towns of post industrial Britain but time will tell.
Farage always struck me as a problems man, he sees the perceived problem, he mentions it and then he amplifies it.
What we need is a solutions man, is that Farage or is he too beholden to the people and organisations that fund his party.
I must add that Labour and Conservative aren't providing many solutions and ego and personal gain often gets the better of them.
Its a sad situation the UK finds itself in.
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He was, he kind of learned to deliver a better vision and I don't buy that he's beholden to people who fund him, he was never in it because he wanted to be PM, but he wanted to change the country and for the better, after failure after failure and lack of doing what people voted for.

Infact hes almost come across a bit soft recently and is losing some support. People saying hes just containment.

One things for sure. If he doesn't make it or do what's required there are more radical players lining to do so.

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JJpool said:
He was, he kind of learned to deliver a better vision and I don't buy that he's beholden to people who fund him, he was never in it because he wanted to be PM, but he wanted to change the country and for the better, after failure after failure and lack of doing what people voted for.

Infact hes almost come across a bit soft recently and is losing some support. People saying hes just containment.

One things for sure. If he doesn't make it or do what's required there are more radical players lining to do so.

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Sounds ominous!
 
JJpool said:
He was, he kind of learned to deliver a better vision and I don't buy that he's beholden to people who fund him, he was never in it because he wanted to be PM, but he wanted to change the country and for the better, after failure after failure and lack of doing what people voted for.

Infact hes almost come across a bit soft recently and is losing some support. People saying hes just containment.

One things for sure. If he doesn't make it or do what's required there are more radical players lining to do so.

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Jesus Christ, any party with a member who starts a statement ‘I’m not in Andrew Tate’s camp, but…..’ has lost me already.
 
Lala said:
Jesus Christ, any party with a member who starts a statement ‘I’m not in Andrew Tate’s camp, but…..’ has lost me already.
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Its about accepting the reality of why people like him gain popularity.

I suppose a politician can answer honestly or give a stock answer, if that's people prefer.
 
JJpool said:
Its about accepting the reality of why people like him gain popularity.

I suppose a politician can answer honestly or give a stock answer, if that's people prefer.
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I haven’t accepted the reality of why people like him, because there is no sensible reason.
He’s a misogynist and possibly violent man, and if inadequates look up to him, then maybe it says more about them than about any logical or societal reason why.
 
Lala said:
Jesus Christ, any party with a member who starts a statement ‘I’m not in Andrew Tate’s camp, but…..’ has lost me already.
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Can you imagine the uniform of Andrew Tates stormtroopers. Trousers too short and too tight, no socks, blue Versace loafers, oversized blingy watches. His brother could lead the Turkish Hair Transplant Brigade as they roll into town in their foil wrapped Ferraris!
Can everyone please vote for Nigel, i feel safer with the Toad of Toad Hall look!!
 
Lala said:
I haven’t accepted the reality of why people like him, because there is no sensible reason.
He’s a misogynist and possibly violent man, and if inadequates look up to him, then maybe it says more about them than about any logical or societal reason why.
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It doesn't matter if you've accepted it or not, because many millions of men do follow him.

Anyway, this isn't really about him, he was just mentioned in the quote which the latter bit was the focus of the post.
 
JJpool said:
It doesn't matter if you've accepted it or not, because many millions of men do follow him.

Anyway, this isn't really about him, he was just mentioned in the quote which the latter bit was the focus of the post.
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It matters to me what I accept and it matters to me that I don’t, and won’t give credence to Tate and his followers.
Now it matters to the Reform Party too, because I would never ever consider a vote for them now, not with that kind of early 20th Century attitude waiting in the wings.
 
Lala said:
It matters to me what I accept and it matters to me that I don’t, and won’t give credence to Tate and his followers.
Now it matters to the Reform Party too, because I would never ever consider a vote for them now, not with that kind of early 20th Century attitude waiting in the wings.
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But it's reality. He has those followers, that's the point.

What attitude? So just for mentioning the reality of his existence and following, not supporting him in any way. The whole point is saying he understands that men will turn to people like that in the absence of better role models. If you want to solve a problem you'd have to be able to speak openly about it, not be squeamish and avoid it.
 
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Lala said:
It matters to me what I accept and it matters to me that I don’t, and won’t give credence to Tate and his followers.
Now it matters to the Reform Party too, because I would never ever consider a vote for them now, not with that kind of early 20th Century attitude waiting in the wings.
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Superb post Lala

All those who think Reform is inclusive and wants the best for the working class, remember

Nige is becoming increasingly anti abortion, too, funded of course by the "Christian" right in the US (I still wonder if any of them have ever read the New Testament, seem very Old Testament sort of folk to me)
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Superb post Lala

All those who think Reform is inclusive and wants the best for the working class, remember

Nige is becoming increasingly anti abortion, too, funded of course by the "Christian" right in the US (I still wonder if any of them have ever read the New Testament, seem very Old Testament sort of folk to me)
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No he gave his opinion on it going beyong 24 weeks which is disgusting tbh outside special circumstances, think about what it means up to full term.
 
JJpool said:
No he gave his opinion on it going beyong 24 weeks which is disgusting tbh outside special circumstances, think about what it means up to full term.
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He is teaming up with (and has received funding from) the ADF , which opposes ALL abortion

The Alliance Defending Freedom is an extreme, anti-abortion Christian legal advocacy group in the US, which has been steadily making inroads from across the Atlantic.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
He is teaming up with (and has received funding from) the ADF , which opposes ALL abortion

The Alliance Defending Freedom is an extreme, anti-abortion Christian legal advocacy group in the US, which has been steadily making inroads from across the Atlantic.
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Haven't seen any team ups, but hes already said those are matters of individual moral conscience.

The 24 weeks seemed to work and there wasn't really any discussion in this country, as it seemed a settled compromise before this latest change.

Nothing to see here.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
How?
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How many times do I need to tell you. Net zero immigration.

Make it so no-one who comes via illegal means will get to stay. Offshore processing. Pick up take back. Once it becomes clear we have a serious leader who stands by what they say and believe and makes the journey pointless it'll stop.

Then send sas after apoplectic smugglers. Starmer doesn’t have what it takes.

Cummins laid out how easily it will be to someone who has the balls to do it all.
 
JJpool said:
How many times do I need to tell you. Net zero immigration.

Make it so no-one who comes via illegal means will get to stay. Offshore processing. Pick up take back. Once it becomes clear we have a serious leader who stands by what they say and believe and makes the journey pointless it'll stop.

Then send sas after apoplectic smugglers. Starmer doesn’t have what it takes.

Cummins laid out how easily it will be to someone who has the balls to do it all.
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I’ll ask the same question…How’s he going to do it?
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
I’ll ask the same question…How’s he going to do it?
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I've just said, you just need the will and a plan to tackle the blob, leave the ECHR if needed. Need a strong prime minister who doesn't care about some criticism from the attacks that will come for doing it.

This is why he went and spoke to Cummings who explained how stuff can be done, with his inside knowledge.
 
Stumbled across this, covers some ussues raised on this thread and many others.

Worth a watch for anyone with time.

 
JJpool said:
I've just said, you just need the will and a plan to tackle the blob, leave the ECHR if needed. Need a strong prime minister who doesn't care about some criticism from the attacks that will come for doing it.

This is why he went and spoke to Cummings who explained how stuff can be done, with his inside knowledge.
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Cummings is a wanker
 
The question raised time and time and time again is how do you force countries like France to accept these immigrants back?

Potentially you could strong arm poor countries like Syria with financial threats, however we aren't USA are don't have that much economic pull. I'd love to see a daily ferry full of dinghy botheres being sent back to France, however France just will not allow it.
 
Chunkylad said:
The question raised time and time and time again is how do you force countries like France to accept these immigrants back?

Potentially you could strong arm poor countries like Syria with financial threats, however we aren't USA are don't have that much economic pull. I'd love to see a daily ferry full of dinghy botheres being sent back to France, however France just will not allow it.
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We do make it easy though.

Border Force and the RNLI are basically taking away the jeopardy which has stopped these Islands being invaded for over a thousand years!
 
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