The vendetta against the groundsman

Poultongirl

Poultongirl

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needs to stop, absolutely pathetic, not just on here but Facebook was in meltdown from people that should know better!!!
we’ve even got a clown on here that used to live in a yellow submarine that now lives down south commenting about the Blackpool weather!!! Not only that but he is spreading malicious and unfounded information about the lads qualifications to be a groundsman, ffs this is the lads livelihood, god knows how he feels this morning ☹️
anyway, you’re reading this keep your chin up lad👍🏻
 
Poultongirl said:
needs to stop, absolutely pathetic, not just on here but Facebook was in meltdown from people that should know better!!!
we’ve even got a clown on here that used to live in a yellow submarine that now lives down south commenting about the Blackpool weather!!! Not only that but he is spreading malicious and unfounded information about the lads qualifications to be a groundsman, ffs this is the lads livelihood, god knows how he feels this morning ☹️
anyway, you’re reading this keep your chin up lad👍🏻
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Clearly talking about me, actually mention my name.

He's not fully qualified and has a special decompensation from the FL to be our head groundsman.

I hope, when proven correct, you'll apologise to me.
 
I honestly don't know why folk are getting so pished off about the postponed games?

Its not like you are on the road going to a match

Hardly an inconvenience travelling from your kitchen with your rich teas and hot milk to your lap top is it

It takes all of 2 seconds to close down i follow when the game is off

Weather happens get over it

Will be fine, we have a massive squad and will catch up on games

No bother...
 
braymarina said:
And people who find it so hard to manage disapointment that they flail around for someone to blame when it comes along.
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I think this is exactly right. Do people react like this to disappointment in their workplace? Of course they don't.

I don't understand how people can be so condemnatory when they aren't on the spot, didn't know what had been done to mitigate the risk, or have first hand knowledge of the underlying problem. I hope the club don't take too much notice, because I think this forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion quite a long time ago.
 
Totally agree with the OP, I'm sure the groundsman may have made the odd mistake but if we all got the chop for doing that it would be a sad world. The pitch has played really well and looks very good also, how about giving the lad a bit of credit, at the end of the day he didn't bury a mountain of rubble under it!
 
I agree fully with the Poulton Girl. One of the problems we seem to have at this club particularly on sites such as this and twitter, is the need for some to immediately point the finger. Other sheep follow the original moan and try their best to out do it. All done under the cloak of secret user names in most cases, but not always.

If you look very closely at the events the only people to blame are our friends who do the live stream. Last night, they obviously turned the stream on far too early and flooded the pitch.

Seriously there are some who are experts in every field, team selection, tactics, physiotherapy, investment, pitch management, and so on, but, in truth do more harm than good. Note the stream. If I can use that word, about the young lad from Everton, how many players have lost confidence because of the continued beretting by some on here. It has to stop.
 
I certainly dont have a vendetta against the groundsman,but I think a statement from the football club clearing up what is actually wrong with the playing surface would put a stop to all the various theories. If it is neglect of duty,that's a different matter.
 
basilrobbie said:
I think this is exactly right. Do people react like this to disappointment in their workplace? Of course they don't.

I don't understand how people can be so condemnatory when they aren't on the spot, didn't know what had been done to mitigate the risk, or have first hand knowledge of the underlying problem. I hope the club don't take too much notice, because I think this forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion quite a long time ago.
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No, actually they do Basil. If you fail at your job, you actually get fired.

I know you haven't worked in the real world but that's how it works. If you don't meet expectations, then expect to lose your job. You're far more intelligent than that post.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I honestly don't know why folk are getting so pished off about the postponed games?

Its not like you are on the road going to a match

Hardly an inconvenience travelling from your kitchen with your rich teas and hot milk to your lap top is it

It takes all of 2 seconds to close down i follow when the game is off

Weather happens get over it

Will be fine, we have a massive squad and will catch up on games

No bother...
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I think it’s because maybe some people are currently out of work or have nothing else to look forward to and therefore the highlight of their day is watching Blackpool. It doesn’t help the postponements have been made less than an hour before kick off twice in recent weeks. How can the club be tweeting pre-match content at 5 and we get to 6:15 and there’s no game?
 
Curryman said:
I agree fully with the Poulton Girl. One of the problems we seem to have at this club particularly on sites such as this and twitter, is the need for some to immediately point the finger. Other sheep follow the original moan and try their best to out do it. All done under the cloak of secret user names in most cases, but not always.

If you look very closely at the events the only people to blame are our friends who do the live stream. Last night, they obviously turned the stream on far too early and flooded the pitch.

Seriously there are some who are experts in every field, team selection, tactics, physiotherapy, investment, pitch management, and so on, but, in truth do more harm than good. Note the stream. If I can use that word, about the young lad from Everton, how many players have lost confidence because of the continued beretting by some on here. It has to stop.
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It's a football forum. To have opinions and talk about a football club.

What HAS to stop are posts like this tbh. It's just absolute bollocks.
 
Shiggy said:
I think it’s because maybe some people are currently out of work or have nothing else to look forward to and therefore the highlight of their day is watching Blackpool. It doesn’t help the postponements have been made less than an hour before kick off twice in recent weeks. How can the club be tweeting pre-match content at 5 and we get to 6:15 and there’s no game?
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King Canute couldn't stop the tide. Maybe a lesson for some on here.
 
He is doing a good job
The amount of rain that came down from 3pm flooded our back garden and happens very rarely
We will need to play Thursday as Donny only 2hrs away
 
SeasideKurt said:
Clearly talking about me, actually mention my name.

He's not fully qualified and has a special decompensation from the FL to be our head groundsman.

I hope, when proven correct, you'll apologise to me.
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No, I must defend Kurt here.

Yes, we are talking about the lads livelihood here and I don't know whether he has done anything wrong and I'm certainly not insinuating that he has but Kurt should be allowed to make the points that he has done if he believes them to be correct and is not acting in a malicious manner.

The opening poster has made some fair points on the matter - many of which I agree with - but I think talk of a vendetta is OTT and I am not quite where Kurt resides has got to do anything ?

I live 2 or 3 miles from Bloomers but I'm sure he'd know more than me on the matter.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No, actually they do Basil. If you fail at your job, you actually get fired.

I know you haven't worked in the real world but that's how it works. If you don't meet expectations, then expect to lose your job. You're far more intelligent than that post.
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I think you've misunderstood my first sentence and ignored the rest. And I'd love to know where you think I worked. 😀

I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you Kurt, you're not the only one and there is no point. But at a time when we all want more dialogue with the club I think this sort of stuff on social media is more likely to put them off than otherwise.
 
Poppajoe said:
He is doing a good job
The amount of rain that came down from 3pm flooded our back garden and happens very rarely
We will need to play Thursday as Donny only 2hrs away
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He might very well be doing a good job and I hope he is doing.

Some are just raising fair points after recent cancellations.

I'd like to think that the club can look at things and do whatever they need to do - if anything at all - and I'd like to think that could be done without anybody losing their livelihood.

Some posters might being going OTT with their criticism but some are making fair points and asking questions that you'd expect and they should be allowed to do so.
 
I don’t know if the grounds man was at fault or not and wouldn’t want to accuse him either. But the fact we couldn’t get a game of football on after 3 hours of rain beggars belief in this day and age. Are we to now check the weather forecast on the morning of a game and if rain is forecast cancel the game just in case we can’t mange it ? It’s pretty poor to be fair.
 
basilrobbie said:
I think you've misunderstood my first sentence and ignored the rest. And I'd love to know where you think I worked. 😀

I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you Kurt, you're not the only one and there is no point. But at a time when we all want more dialogue with the club I think this sort of stuff on social media is more likely to put them off than otherwise.
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Having games cancelled where they shouldn't have been, probably has a similar effect.
 
What gets me is that some people were spouting about getting the Cods groundsman in. I watched some highlights on their last home game and the playing surface was far inferior to Bloomfield Road. Its clear that we have drainage problems with our pitch but the poor guy having to take down his twitter feed is just bang out of order. Bet the poor guy wishes he never left Oldham.
 
Whoever,if anyone, is culpable is the board’s concern not ours. However I do believe that four postponements in such a short time does need some kind of explanation, particularly since last night ours was the only postponement. I refuse to believe Blackpool is the only place with a football match that suffered heavy rain yesterday. The silence from the club is deafening. An official statement is long overdue, if made that would put a lot of ridiculous speculation to bed and we would officially know the club’s position and attitude about same.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I honestly don't know why folk are getting so pished off about the postponed games?

Its not like you are on the road going to a match

Hardly an inconvenience travelling from your kitchen with your rich teas and hot milk to your lap top is it

It takes all of 2 seconds to close down i follow when the game is off

Weather happens get over it

Will be fine, we have a massive squad and will catch up on games

No bother...
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Its because life with this covid at the min is shit. We go to work but there is no where for us to let our hair down (well if you have some), the Blackpool games allow us to get away from all this lockdown shit and away from the stresses of the world at the min. To have the game postponed because someone cant do their job correctly is going to get more peoples back up than in normal times.
 
Abuse is out of order, and any directed at him last night which caused him to delete his twitter account is definitely crossing the line.

However, we've had 4 games postponed in just over a month - I don't know why people are acting disgusted at the fact people are discussing it on here, the Blackpool FC forum? The bloke is the heads groundsman so naturally people are wondering if what is happening could have been prevented by the man employed to maintain the pitch, I'm sure the club will be asking these questions as well.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I honestly can't keep up with the hypocrisy on this site and on twitter and Facebook

Grayson (30 games) fair game get rid

Critchley (30 games) - similar record to Grayson needs time

Turton, Husband and Kaikai all shit get rid

New groundsman should be sacked
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Grayson ( I didn’t want him sacked)

Critchley ( nope still don’t want him gone and haven’t called for his head once)

Turton is not good enough, still think Husband and Kai Kai are decent ( not changed my mind)

Not called for him to be sacked once ( just posted on this)

no hypocrisy from me.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No, actually they do Basil. If you fail at your job, you actually get fired.

I know you haven't worked in the real world but that's how it works. If you don't meet expectations, then expect to lose your job. You're far more intelligent than that post.
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Kurt, so you are advocating the the groundsman be sacked? Really?

It must be tough in the “real world” if someone gets sacked for 1 mistake.

The game was called off 2 weeks ago (as were quite a few up and down the Country) due to a frozen pitch and after Hasslebank pleaded with the referee. Therefore NOT the groundsman’s fault.
Apart from that then I believe that is the only game that has been postponed before last night (I will stand corrected on that one though).

So waterlogged pitch due to the incessant rain all afternoon and no doubt regardless of the groundsman and his staff’s best efforts the game was postponed less than an hour before kick off.

Did you go and check the ground personally or do you know if there are underlying problems that have suddenly arisen or that have been there prior to when the new groundsman was appointed?

How about laying the blame on the construction company who built the new stadium?

I mentioned last night that proper drainage should have been one of the top priorities when the rebuild was planned. I also mentioned that I cannot recall a lot of games being postponed through a water logged pitch during all the years I have followed the pool.

Maybe there are strict guidelines laid out by the FA that take players welfare into consideration!

Problem is that when we don’t know the full ins and outs the easiest way is to blame someone.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Kurt, so you are advocating the the groundsman be sacked? Really?

It must be tough in the “real world” if someone gets sacked for 1 mistake.

The game was called off 2 weeks ago (as were quite a few up and down the Country) due to a frozen pitch and after Hasslebank pleaded with the referee. Therefore NOT the groundsman’s fault.
Apart from that then I believe that is the only game that has been postponed before last night (I will stand corrected on that one though).

So waterlogged pitch due to the incessant rain all afternoon and no doubt regardless of the groundsman and his staff’s best efforts the game was postponed less than an hour before kick off.

Did you go and check the ground personally or do you know if there are underlying problems that have suddenly arisen or that have been there prior to when the new groundsman was appointed?

How about laying the blame on the construction company who built the new stadium?

I mentioned last night that proper drainage should have been one of the top priorities when the rebuild was planned. I also mentioned that I cannot recall a lot of games being postponed through a water logged pitch during all the years I have followed the pool.

Maybe there are strict guidelines laid out by the FA that take players welfare into consideration!

Problem is that when we don’t know the full ins and outs the easiest way is to blame someone.
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I'm not advocating for him to be sacked at all. I haven't once said it. I am merely commenting about it all.

How do you know there was any efforts from the groundsman? You're presuming. Where as I am talking from actual information.

Man's role and job is to keep the pitch in a fit and proper state. He multiple times fails to do so albeit in other towns locally who have received as much weather, manage to do so. It starts to really limit down the blame game tbh.

As I understand it, he wasn't even there the majority of yesterday.
And he isn't full qualified to do the role.
 
"I think this forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion quite a long time ago"

Robbie

That's an interesting point.

You appear to be suggesting that this forum used to be a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion but now that is no longer the case.

I'm just wondering when exactly the forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion ?

It's almost as if people's opinions are unreasonable if they differ from those of your own and that people are not allowed to question things unless you agree with them on matters.

"Groundsmangate" is a perfect example of this, I have no doubt that you will scoff when I tell you that I am not offering an opinion on the performance of the groundsman myself but it is clear that you are of the opinion that Kurt and others should not be allowed to ask legitimate questions of the groundsman but you continually ask questions of the EFL yourself.

Personally, I think that both yourself and Kurt should be allowed to ask questions on matters if you do so in a fair manner.
 
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As can be seen all over the country our winters are becoming warmer and wetter. Hence the work on flood defences in vulnerable areas. This being the case remedial work on our drainage system needs to be done in the close season. Simples.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I'm not advocating for him to be sacked at all. I haven't once said it. I am merely commenting about it all.

How do you know there was any efforts from the groundsman? You're presuming. Where as I am talking from actual information.

Man's role and job is to keep the pitch in a fit and proper state. He multiple times fails to do so albeit in other towns locally who have received as much weather, manage to do so. It starts to really limit down the blame game tbh.

As I understand it, he wasn't even there the majority of yesterday.
And he isn't full qualified to do the role.
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There is a potential problem here Kurt in that it is not impossible that the club were not overly disappointed that the game was cancelled and that they are perfectly satisfied with the groundsman performance.

I am not saying that is the case or that the points you make are not fair but it is possible that you are not privy to other information ?

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you need to live on Back Henry Street to pass judgement.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I'm not advocating for him to be sacked at all. I haven't once said it. I am merely commenting about it all.

How do you know there was any efforts from the groundsman? You're presuming. Where as I am talking from actual information.

Man's role and job is to keep the pitch in a fit and proper state. He multiple times fails to do so albeit in other towns locally who have received as much weather, manage to do so. It starts to really limit down the blame game tbh.

As I understand it, he wasn't even there the majority of yesterday.
And he isn't full qualified to do the role.
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Out of interest, who are you getting your information from? Can we fact check it?
 
I was watching the goals on Quest on Saturday and couldn't help thinking how much better our pitch looks than many others on display. It's been many a year since that's been the case. Peterborough's looked shocking. Any drainage problems need resolving, obviously, but some of the histrionics are way over the top.
 
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SEASIDE2020 said:
"I think this forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion quite a long time ago"

Robbie

That's an interesting point.

You appear to be suggesting that this forum used to be a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion but now that is no longer the case.

I'm just wondering when exactly the forum stopped being a representative or reasonable barometer of opinion ?

It's almost as if people's opinions are unreasonable if they differ from those of your own and that people are not allowed to question things unless you agree with them on matters.

"Groundsmangate" is a perfect example of this, I have no doubt that you will scoff when I tell you that I am not offering an opinion on the performance of the groundsman myself but it is clear that you are of the opinion that Kurt and others should not be allowed to ask legitimate questions of the groundsman but you continually ask questions of the EFL yourself.

Personally, I think that both yourself and Kurt should be allowed to ask questions on matters if you do so in a fair manner.
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It's an opinion. No more or less.

I think social media generally is a place for extremes these days. Strong opinions, strong prejudices, unwillingness to see another point of view, great willingness to form a judgement with few or no facts. This place is no different from others.

What I think has changed on places like AVFTT is that the proportion of sensible, reasonable people using these forums has shrunk quite a lot. It's just a feeling, I have no evidence to back it up particularly other than my own judgement. This place has always been very lively, and was all the better for it at one time. But I think the quality and courtesy of the discourse have plummeted in recent years.
 
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SeasideKurt said:
I'm not advocating for him to be sacked at all. I haven't once said it. I am merely commenting about it all.

How do you know there was any efforts from the groundsman? You're presuming. Where as I am talking from actual information.

Man's role and job is to keep the pitch in a fit and proper state. He multiple times fails to do so albeit in other towns locally who have received as much weather, manage to do so. It starts to really limit down the blame game tbh.

As I understand it, he wasn't even there the majority of yesterday.
And he isn't full qualified to do the role.
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Thanks for the reply Kurt. 👍

If though, as you say, he wasn’t there for most of the day then something is amiss as you would expect him to be supervising the prepping of the pitch on a match day

Then again, we don’t know what his contractual hours are.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I'm not saying on here but it's someone that would know.

Also, if you follow AVFTT I very very rarely post anything ref ITK stuff. And have absolutely no reason to do so.
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So you make an allegation against someone without any evidence you're prepared to share. I've no idea if you are right or wrong by the way, that's not my point. BFC have employed him, so are presumably happy he can do his job. If he needs additional skills, maybe he is working on that. It just seems a bit uncalled for to me.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No, actually they do Basil. If you fail at your job, you actually get fired.

I know you haven't worked in the real world but that's how it works. If you don't meet expectations, then expect to lose your job. You're far more intelligent than that post.
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Yes, every employer fires everyone straight away for the slightest misdemeanor, even if it's not their fault. It's like a jungle out there.
 
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