Thread about the English Channel Tragedy

Children aside they knew the risks, yet they are still coming. These people have smart phones, better clothes than me and 5000 euros in their pockets to pay criminal gangs to enter the country illegally.
The risk are worth it when fleeing war torn counties and the threat of torture and imprisonment. I’d be fleeing as well.
They are spending there life savings to get to the UK. I just hope the criminal gangs are prosecuted.
 
The risk are worth it when fleeing war torn counties and the threat of torture and imprisonment. I’d be fleeing as well.
They are spending there life savings to get to the UK. I just hope the criminal gangs are prosecuted.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but it doesn't excuse them or the criminal gangs. We are full to bursting point in this country and we can ill afford tens of thousands of illegal immigrants landing on our tiny island, whether with the best intentions or not.
 
Criminal gangs we agree on. Remove them, another gang appears there like drug dealers. The UK, France and whoever else needs to give the situation priority and try along with the rest of Europe for a solution.
I don’t personally think there is one.
As long as there are wars in Yemen, Afghanistan people will understandably seek a better life. Is every person a genuine refugee fleeing, I doubt it. It’s a sad state of affairs that you feel it necessary to jump in a rubber dinghy and cross a dangerous stretch of water knowing full well you may not make it.
Just imagine how frightening that is but not as frightening of going back if you don’t.
 
We are full to bursting point in this country and we can ill afford tens of thousands of illegal immigrants landing on our tiny island
Where did you get the figure of ‘tens of thousands’ from ?

Since 1991, the U.K. population has risen by 5.7 million

Yet your main concern is ‘tens of thousands’ of illegal immigrants

🤔
 
Where did you get the figure of ‘tens of thousands’ from ?

Since 1991, the U.K. population has risen by 5.7 million

Yet your main concern is ‘tens of thousands’ of illegal immigrants

🤔
Net immigration over the last three years is 34,000. That will be going down as many EU residents leave.
 
Net immigration over the last three years is 34,000. That will be going down as many EU residents leave.
Jeez, so far this year 25000 have crossed the channel in boats. Do your home work!! Not immigration, that's different. We're talking about illegal immigrants ffs.
 
Jeez, so far this year 25000 have crossed the channel in boats. Do your home work!! Not immigration, that's different. We're talking about illegal immigrants ffs.
And how many are intercepted and deported? The majority. They don't all stay. FFS
 
And how many are intercepted and deported? The majority. They don't all stay. FFS
Like I said, do your homework. Currently about 45 this year, yes, 45. You are just arguing for the sake of it. Give it up mate, you're making yourself look even more ignorant by the minute with your ill informed guesswork.
 
The fact is that their lives are not in any danger in France, so why come to the U.K? What’s wrong with France? Are our benefits so much better? Is our way of life better?

The answer is probably no, or not much, so when they arrive, put them on ferries and send them back.
 
Where did you get the figure of ‘tens of thousands’ from ?

Since 1991, the U.K. population has risen by 5.7 million

Yet your main concern is ‘tens of thousands’ of illegal immigrants

🤔
And of course immigration has had nothing to do with that rise has it ? I take it no migrants legal or illegal have had families? oh and there’s been over 25000 in the last year, that’s tens of thousands.
 
The fact is that their lives are not in any danger in France, so why come to the U.K? What’s wrong with France? Are our benefits so much better? Is our way of life better?

The answer is probably no, or not much, so when they arrive, put them on ferries and send them back.
This is why we can’t put them on ferries and send them back. From the House of Commons library.

 
It's certainly a very difficult problem to solve. And it's not just a UK/France problem is it. Most of these people have crossed numerous countries before reaching the French coast. It's a world problem that's been further highlighted with this recent tragedy.
Until we do something to ease poverty and stop wars in the poorest countries, this will continue and we'll have more tragic loss of life.
 
The fact is that their lives are not in any danger in France, so why come to the U.K? What’s wrong with France? Are our benefits so much better? Is our way of life better?

The answer is probably no, or not much, so when they arrive, put them on ferries and send them back.
2020 statistics Germany 122,000 applications for asylum. France 94,000, UK 36,000. We had the 5th highest no of applications in that period compared with other European countries.
 
No, we're talking about illegal immigrants crossing and entering ILLEGALLY. Genuine asylum seekers use the proper channels.
If they land on the beach by boat then that is illegal entry.
How about, real asylum seekers using illegal but desperate routes in an attempt to reach the UK?
Anyway, my point on this thread is to try to keep things to a reasonable debating level.
 
How about, real asylum seekers using illegal but desperate routes in an attempt to reach the UK?
Anyway, my point on this thread is to try to keep things to a reasonable debating level.
66 - give me one valid reason to travel illegally from France.

Edit, to join up with family here legally or illegally is not a valid reason.
 
How about, real asylum seekers using illegal but desperate routes in an attempt to reach the UK?
Anyway, my point on this thread is to try to keep things to a reasonable debating level.
I thought we were. I'm debating about the illegal immigrants coming here but people on this and previous threads are judging my opinion on it.
 
The borders are ours, it’s our responsibility to defend and police them. Why would France be bothered to try and stop economic migrants leaving. They become our problem and not theirs. We have made it the land of milk and honey.
 
I simply asked for you to enlighten us.

If you don’t want to then fair enough.
What I am saying is that there are quite a few Little Englanders on here with views on race and integration are backward and ignorant. Usually they don't quite have the guts to say that there humanity only extends to people who look and sound like themselves.
 
What I am saying is that there are quite a few Little Englanders on here with views on race and integration are backward and ignorant. Usually they don't quite have the guts to say that there humanity only extends to people who look and sound like themselves.
Oh right ok that clears that up.

If you’d have said that instead of the usual suspects lurking I wouldn’t have asked you to enlighten.
 
I thought we were. I'm debating about the illegal immigrants coming here but people on this and previous threads are judging my opinion on it.
Part of the issue is over-sensitivity. In stating what I did about wanting to keep the debate reasonable I was not referring to anybody's posts in particular. Even though my post was directly in response to something that you wrote.
 
66 - give me one valid reason to travel illegally from France.

Edit, to join up with family here legally or illegally is not a valid reason.
Desperate people do desperate things. And I don't want to go down the 'whataboutery' route either. Keep it calm, keep it relevant and yes, be prepared to be challenged.
 
I thought we were. I'm debating about the illegal immigrants coming here but people on this and previous threads are judging my opinion on it.
It's not illegal to claim asylum when you arrive in a country.To date more than 60 per cent of those claiming asylum in the UK are granted refugee status. The legal routes to get to the UK are limited hence why most arrive through other routes.
 
The borders are ours, it’s our responsibility to defend and police them. Why would France be bothered to try and stop economic migrants leaving. They become our problem and not theirs.
That’s very true. And one worry should be that, if they get really pissed off, the French could actually do what they are accused of. And just open the door and wave everyone through saying “It’s the UK’s problem now - you sort it”.

It’d be completely irresponsible of Macron to do that but I wouldn’t put it past him.
 
A picture of one of the victims. A 24 year old kurdish women who was coming to the UK to join her fiance. So sad.
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