Today’s PMQs

HappyasLarry said:
Not really Phil. No one else seems to resort to using the foul mouthed language you did at another poster (personally having read it, am glad it was removed) - maybe the mods would leave your posts up if you were more courteous in your replies.
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Free speech eh

Ell Burro posted some right nonsense and I called him out on it

I wonder who the moderator is mmmm..
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

LIVE: Rachel Reeves had 'altercation' before emotional PMQs

LIVE UPDATES: Follow MailOnline's live coverage as Chancellor Rachel Reeves made a visibly upset appearance in Parliament during Prime Minister's Questions.
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Anyone believe that...

www.telegraph.co.uk

Politics latest news: Rachel Reeves must go after teary PMQs, says Jenrick

Rachel Reeves must quit as Chancellor after her tearful appearance at Prime Minister’s Questions, the Conservatives have said.
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www.ft.com

UK bonds slump on doubts over Reeves’ future after tearful PMQs

Chancellor visibly upset as prime minister declines to say she will remain in her post
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
An inability to grasp the nettle at the beginning has dogged this government. If we could go back in time;
  • Level with the population while there is some goodwill. No money in the coffers, blackhole, blame the Tories etc.
  • Therefore the only responsible decision would be to cancel upcoming cut in NI - a lot of moaning ensues but they are taking away something that hasn't been given already. Could have actually said that it is postponed until the end of the parliament.
  • This move raises almost all of the money. Therefore no need for the petty salami slicing and the two disasters WFA and now this bill
  • Reeves raises the money and Labour MPS are kept on board etc.
  • The public, opposition are annoyed and go on about it but eventually forget.
Why didn't she do this?
The government are looking like a shambles despite having a massive majority - I'm not sure why Reeves was in the chamber today, better to let people speculate about your absence than to appear so distressed.
The trouble is that there are not any quick fixes but the electorate has come to expect them. On this thread we have had 'try Rayner', 'Starmer must go now', 'Streeting could do it', 'Nige will fix it by banning flags' etc., etc. Fixing this mess will take time - Starmer needs to continue but to find a narrative that fits with the positive things the government are doing. It's certainly a mess, but we do not need more political instability, that is actually worse.
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Biggest mistake was the no employee NI increases promise. They were so desperate to get elected they thought they had to make it.

Even now they seem to be digging deep on it. Time to give it a reconsideration.
 
After seeing and hearing his heartless performance in PMQ's, I find it dreadful that he should treat a colleague like he has done. She has my sympathy, even though I'm no fan of her.

His incompetence has lead to his Chancellor being in tears throughout the whole episode. A case of I'm the PM I will decide what will and what will not occur, and you will take the blame and sort out the sh-- show that follows.

Call him a man?

He doesn't deserve any backing from any of his MP's, as it could be them next.
 
Delfino said:
Biggest mistake was the no employee NI increases promise. They were so desperate to get elected they thought they had to make it.

Even now they seem to be digging deep on it. Time to give it a reconsideration.
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Biggest mistake was the Tories cutting it. But they knew what they were doing.
 
Delfino said:
Biggest mistake was the no employee NI increases promise. They were so desperate to get elected they thought they had to make it.

Even now they seem to be digging deep on it. Time to give it a reconsideration.
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This is the problem we have with our political system, we have one team going head to head against the other team to win complete control, they will say and do whatever it takes to get elected and then we end up with a bunch of people from a shallow pool with limited talent and integrity running the show.

Change has to happen, we need the best people with different views and experiences and skills coming together to give this country a kick up the arse and do what's best for the majority.

There isn't a single political party in the UK that has the depth of talent and lack of self interest to put us back on the right path so the system has to change.
Sadly to a large extent i think the UK is doomed.
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
Free speech eh

Ell Burro posted some right nonsense and I called him out on it

I wonder who the moderator is mmmm..
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Fair enough to call anyone out (and it's all about opinions) but, unless I'm wrong, I presume it was all the expletives that lead to your post being pulled - I can't actually remember what you said in the post other than it attacking another poster with a load of expletives. Anyhow not my fight and can't say I care either way!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The vultures on here love their road kill. Now the Lions, they stalk and kill their prey. The vultures on here haven't got the bravery for that. No, they watch and cackle after the event. Bravery doesn't become them.
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You are obviously on the payroll. Not a criticism.
 
Tangerinenick said:
In the land of the blind Lions the vultures are kings.
There are more vultures in politics than above wildebeest herds.
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Reminds me of an old Parliamentary joke:
A new MP takes his seat in the Commons and turns to an old sweat next to him. He points across to the other benches and says, 'so that's the enemy.' 'No son,' says the old sweat, ' that's the Opposition. The enemy is all around you.'
 
Curryman said:
After seeing and hearing his heartless performance in PMQ's, I find it dreadful that he should treat a colleague like he has done. She has my sympathy, even though I'm no fan of her.

His incompetence has lead to his Chancellor being in tears throughout the whole episode. A case of I'm the PM I will decide what will and what will not occur, and you will take the blame and sort out the sh-- show that follows.

Call him a man?

He doesn't deserve any backing from any of his MP's, as it could be them next.
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It was nothing to do with anything Starmer said or did.

She'd had a big row with the Speaker just before going into the Chamber.
 
EdgeleyTangerine said:
The problem we have is there are too many politicians looking to feather their own nests rather than working on behalf of the public. Those that do work for the benefit of others are cast aside in favour of the career politicians.
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Not always. Corbyn has been thrown out by his Party but is still loved by his constituents. There are excellent constituency MPs all around the House: Labour, Lib Dem, Tories, SMp and the others. If you mean, does everyone get to climb the greasy pole?...Well, that's another story.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not always. Corbyn has been thrown out by his Party but is still loved by his constituents. There are excellent constituency MPs all around the House: Labour, Lib Dem, Tories, SMp and the others. If you mean, does everyone get to climb the greasy pole?...Well, that's another story.
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But that’s exactly my point. Good constituency MPs don’t go much beyond that despite being the better politicians
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Badenoch : This is the first PM in history to propose a bill to save money who ended up with a bill that costs money," she said.

Guess she has forgotten about Brexit, then!

Kind of got me thinking. Does this whole sorry mess of an economy, Brexit, small boats, etc, go back to the Tories deselecting anyone who was pro Europe? They lost a huge number of knowledgable MPs and members, people with experience in business and international trade. People who could negotiate, saw different views and reacted to them. The smaller and smaller pool left did not have the ability to understand the impact of their intransigence.
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Brexit technically wasn't a bill
 
Lala said:
Not nice to see anyone upset.
If I were her I’d ‘flip the bird’ and walk away. Life’s too short, and the job appears to be almost impossible.
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It's definitely not right to see anyone as upset as the Chancellor today. Her job is not almost impossible, but she has made it appear so from her comments and policies since day 1. I've said on here many times from my own experience in tax and economics how any reputable economist should have approached the job. Unfortunately, almost everything Rachel Reeves did from the start was wrong. She talked the country into economic recession, failed to identify the necessary and appropriate tax raising opportunities and above all, with a lack of judgment, placed far too much of the burden of economic stability on pensioners and wealth producers. She had opportunities to correct her mistakes but just kept digging the hole she had created. Subsequent Labour U-turns only compounded her incompetent policies.

Is there anyone in the Labour party equipped to take on the Chancellor's job? There might have been at election time but it's a much bigger task now. Maybe they should listen to shadow chancellor Mel Stride, who is both a qualified economist and a successful businessman. Both of those necessary qualifications seem to be missing from everyone in the current government.
 
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tommytwojags said:
It's definitely not right to see anyone as upset as the Chancellor today. Her job is not almost impossible, but she has made it appear so from her comments and policies since day 1. I've said on here many times from my own experience in tax and economics how any reputable economist should have approached the job. Unfortunately, almost everything Rachel Reeves did from the start was wrong. She talked the country into economic recession, failed to identify the necessary and appropriate tax raising opportunities and above all, with a lack of judgment, placed far too much of the burden of economic stability on pensioners and wealth producers. She had opportunities to correct her mistakes but just kept digging the hole she had created. Subsequent Labour U-turns only compounded her incompetent policies.

Is there anyone in the Labour party equipped to take on the Chancellor's job? There might have been at election time but it's a much bigger task now. Maybe they should listen to Mel Stride, who is both a qualified economist and a successful businessman. Both of those necessary qualifications seem to be missing in the current government.
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Mel Stride was at DWP for years and impacted absolutely nothing. He could have reformed benefits but did nada.

He is not the answer to anything.
 
Wizaard said:
Mel Stride was at DWP for years and impacted absolutely nothing. He could have reformed benefits but did nada.

He is not the answer to anything.
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To be fair the Tories began down the same road as this current government with PIP changes, but it got pulled due to unpopular public opinion, just like now really.
 
Lala said:
To be fair the Tories began down the same road as this current government with PIP changes, but it got pulled due to unpopular public opinion, just like now really.
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Funny how Kemi failed to mention that when laughing at a crying woman.
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
Hypocrite

You have said far worse about the last government
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Really? My criticism was always about what they were doing (or not doing), not laughing at someone having a meltdown in public.

Feel free to find a post where I've found it amusing that someone has been visibly upset.
 
Wizaard said:
Really? My criticism was always about what they were doing (or not doing), not laughing at someone having a meltdown in public.

Feel free to find a post where I've found it amusing that someone has been visibly upset.
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If you put your user name in the search bar and ‘Liz Truss’ in the keywords you’re really mean to her Wiz and could have made her cry.

You said she’s got less staying power than a lettuce. How cruel. You knew she was upset at the time. Nasty that.

You also said “What skills do you think Liz Truss has that you don't? My dog is more capable than her.” How horrible Wiz!?

You also said ‘dementia is a terrible thing’ describing her response to something… that’s so cruel Wiz, mentioning a serious illness and her. How horrible.

I’ve only got to page 3 but no very nice is it and much worse than calling someone Rachel from Accounts. Even your dog copped for being callled thick, poor hound.

Obviously I’m taking the piss but that’s your argument isn’t it? Don’t be mean to people who might get upset?

Unless it’s you doing it… proper lefty stuff.
 
Adams Kebab said:
If you put your user name in the search bar and ‘Liz Truss’ in the keywords you’re really mean to her Wiz and could have made her cry.

You said she’s got less staying power than a lettuce. How cruel. You knew she was upset at the time. Nasty that.

You also said “What skills do you think Liz Truss has that you don't? My dog is more capable than her.” How horrible Wiz!?

You also said ‘dementia is a terrible thing’ describing her response to something… that’s so cruel Wiz, mentioning a serious illness and her. How horrible.

I’ve only got to page 3 but no very nice is it and much worse than calling someone Rachel from Accounts. Even your dog copped for being callled thick, poor hound.

Obviously I’m taking the piss but that’s your argument isn’t it? Don’t be mean to people who might get upset?

Unless it’s you doing it… proper lefty stuff.
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I think it was one of the papers who said Liz Truss wouldn't last as long as a lettuce and published daily updates of a disintegrating lettuce.

Context.

I stand by my comments on her intelligence. I've never seen anyone in public life with less self-awareness.

Carry on looking for posts where I'm laughing at her crying in public.
 
Wizaard said:
I think it was one of the papers who said Liz Truss wouldn't last as long as a lettuce and published daily updates of a disintegrating lettuce.

Context.

I stand by my comments on her intelligence. I've never seen anyone in public life with less self-awareness.

Carey on looking for posts where I'm laughing at her crying in public.
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Proved wrong again I see

Hypocrite
 
Wizaard said:
I think it was one of the papers who said Liz Truss wouldn't last as long as a lettuce and published daily updates of a disintegrating lettuce.

Context.

I stand by my comments on her intelligence. I've never seen anyone in public life with less self-awareness.

Carey on looking for posts where I'm laughing at her crying in public.
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Ah right so in your world nobody should say Rachel from Accounts as it’s not nice and fair but you’re ok to slag people’s intelligence off in the way you have.

That’s ok.

Got it. You have to laugh.

You can’t believe some of the things you say can you?! Surely?
 
Phil_bfc neuf said:
How do you know she's had a mental breakdown?

And anyway I thought it was more the case of you not liking her being called Rachel from accounts?
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Was it funny to see someone literally crying in Parliament?

Rachel from Accounts is just a pathetic cheap jibe that wouldn't be levelled at a man.
 
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