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You knew exactly what was going to happen with them moving the away fans through the North East exit at the end. If we won everyone would wait and wind up the away fans.

I'm sure the scenes at the end more than riled up a few Millwall fans, from what I've seen on Twitter some went on a hunt and jumped a Blackpool fan near the Armfield.
 
tigger said:
I saw the slight contretemps outside the north west corner. The Blackpool lad who I think got nicked had just been warned by the police 2 mins earlier after he got involved in another confrontation with 2/3 Millwall ā€˜fansā€™
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Sounds like Raffles the gentleman thug out of Viz
 
Wizzerboy said:
Why BR3?
Maybe ask some of the black players who don't take the knee anymore why they don't šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø
What exactly has it achieved?
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Spot on Wizzer.

It's rather poor that you can't criticise the charade without facing ridiculous accusations of racism.

Football has made massive progress when it comes to racism and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

While of course there will always be issues to address, it's rather strange that we see the continuation of this protest - or whatever anybody wishes to call it - when there are many other issues where progress is not being made.

Has this protest actually been effective ?

I think some might suggest that in creating division it has actually done more harm than good and I can't help but think that there are more effective forms of protest and ways of dealing with the issue.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club, I have experienced one incident of racism in I don't know how long at Bloomfield Road and the offender in the North Stand was correctly shouted down immediately.

We know that negativity is against the rules on this board so perhaps time for folk to be more positive and acknowledge the improvement made in this area at BFC and in football in general rather than pretend that the problem is far bigger than it actually is.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Spot on Wizzer.

It's rather poor that you can't criticise the charade without facing ridiculous accusations of racism.

Football has made massive progress when it comes to racism and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

While of course there will always be issues to address, it's rather strange that we see the continuation of this protest - or whatever anybody wishes to call it - when there are many other issues where progress is not being made.

Has this protest actually been effective ?

I think some might suggest that in creating division it has actually done more harm than good and I can't help but think that there are more effective forms of protest and ways of dealing with the issue.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club, I have experienced one incident of racism in I don't know how long at Bloomfield Road and the offender in the North Stand was correctly shouted down immediately.

We know that negativity is against the rules on this board so perhaps time for folk to be more positive and acknowledge the improvement made in this area at BFC and in football in general rather than pretend that the problem is far bigger than it actually is.
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Here we go again.

I'm not sure the people who take the knee are too fussed about developing metrics to assess how well it works. They are just making a point to anyone who cares to pay attention to them. They probably conclude that if enough of them do it, it may affect behaviours and attitudes, in the long term.

So asking the question "has it been effective?" misses the point completely. You might as well ask Churchill to prove that his "fight them on the beaches" speech made the British people more defiant. He couldn't possibly prove it, and wouldn't have wasted time trying. He probably just thought he should try to inspire a certain way of thinking.

In any case, I'd say taking the knee is working, if you accept the number of elderly white men who are STILL getting themselves in a lather about it as a proxy indicator.

And going back to the original point, Phil seems to think that taking the key is racist and we are all thick for doing it. Not the sharpest, is he?
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Yep I was there and remember you getting ā€œstuck inā€! F Troop, my arse.
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You've got some memory pal, I think they got a shock when our crew flew in to them and they had to have it on their toes.

Nice touch from our lads was they all had a whip round at the next game to pay my fine. šŸ‘
 
Raging_Bull said:
You've got some memory pal, I think they got a shock when our crew flew in to them and they had to have it on their toes.

Nice touch from our lads was they all had a whip round at the next game to pay my fine. šŸ‘
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Those were the days. A tear up, a fine or a slap from the old bill and back on the terraces with your mates the week after šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ˜€
 
Nice touch from our lads was they all had a whip round at the next game to pay my fine. šŸ‘
Good of the lads. The collection cap was filled with farthings, Ha'pennies, pennies, a thrupenny bit, a sixpence, a few shillings, three two bob bits, half crowns, ten bob note, pound note and one five pound note.
Some tight arse put in some groats
Them was the days
 
...getting back to my original post - and I apologise in advance for upsetting some people - but why the fuck would you have the mentality to turn up to a game of football for the only reason to punch someone?

I'm still waiting for a valid reason apart from the obvious 'it's always happened'.
 
Long-shanks said:
Queuing to get into the north at turnstiles 5 & 6 it all kicked off on the pavement behind approx 2.45ish pm. I saw rival fans punching each other, police quickly on the scene (with a very brave female bobby getting involved) - and wrestled one of the people involved to the ground.

All happened very fast whilst getting my 9, 12 n 15 year olds into the ground whilst shielding them.

Why? What is the mentality of these people to come and seek out a fellow football fan to start a fight with them?! They must be brain dead.
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Ahhhhh - the typical AVFTT post. So, so quick to blame footballer supporters and refuse to call out the completely inept policing tactics that have been used all season.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Here we go again.

I'm not sure the people who take the knee are too fussed about developing metrics to assess how well it works. They are just making a point to anyone who cares to pay attention to them. They probably conclude that if enough of them do it, it may affect behaviours and attitudes, in the long term.

So asking the question "has it been effective?" misses the point completely. You might as well ask Churchill to prove that his "fight them on the beaches" speech made the British people more defiant. He couldn't possibly prove it, and wouldn't have wasted time trying. He probably just thought he should try to inspire a certain way of thinking.

In any case, I'd say taking the knee is working, if you accept the number of elderly white men who are STILL getting themselves in a lather about it as a proxy indicator.

And going back to the original point, Phil seems to think that taking the key is racist and we are all thick for doing it. Not the sharpest, is he?
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I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you come up with Robbie ?

I wouldn't know why on earth you'd choose to refer to Churchill but to be fair it's probably more relevant than Blackpool supporters supporting a protest that was started following the unlawful killing of a career criminal four thousand miles away.

Please don't get me wrong, I wish everyone all the best with their ongoing protest and just feel that that there are far far bigger issues that merit more attention.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you come up with Robbie ?

I wouldn't know why on earth you'd choose to refer to Churchill but to be fair it's probably more relevant than Blackpool supporters supporting a protest that was started following the unlawful killing of a career criminal four thousand miles away.

Please don't get me wrong, I wish everyone all the best with their ongoing protest and just feel that that there are far far bigger issues that merit more attention.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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People aren't protesting about racism at Blackpool Football Club as a standalone issue. It's a societal issue, and football is a high profile opportunity to get the message across that racism and discrimination at all levels is wrong. Judging by the fans around me, that message is getting through, as there is no longer any isolated booing, and more and more people are applauding the symbolic gesture. That's a change to earlier in the season.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you come up with Robbie ?

I wouldn't know why on earth you'd choose to refer to Churchill (1) but to be fair it's probably more relevant than Blackpool supporters supporting a protest that was started following the unlawful killing of a career criminal four thousand miles away.

Please don't get me wrong, I wish everyone all the best with their ongoing protest and just feel that that there are far far bigger issues that merit more attention.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. (2)
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(1) it is an analogy. A literary device that people use all the time in order to make a point. I don't know why you don't understand it, most people do.

(2) as Wiz has already said, it is a societal issue. Who said it was just about Blackpool?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you come up with Robbie ?

I wouldn't know why on earth you'd choose to refer to Churchill but to be fair it's probably more relevant than Blackpool supporters supporting a protest that was started following the unlawful killing of a career criminal four thousand miles away.

Please don't get me wrong, I wish everyone all the best with their ongoing protest and just feel that that there are far far bigger issues that merit more attention.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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Most racists don't think racism is an issue... is that your point?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you come up with Robbie ?

I wouldn't know why on earth you'd choose to refer to Churchill but to be fair it's probably more relevant than Blackpool supporters supporting a protest that was started following the unlawful killing of a career criminal four thousand miles away.

Please don't get me wrong, I wish everyone all the best with their ongoing protest and just feel that that there are far far bigger issues that merit more attention.

There is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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BLM began in 2013.
 
Wizaard said:
People aren't protesting about racism at Blackpool Football Club as a standalone issue. It's a societal issue, and football is a high profile opportunity to get the message across that racism and discrimination at all levels is wrong. Judging by the fans around me, that message is getting through, as there is no longer any isolated booing, and more and more people are applauding the symbolic gesture. That's a change to earlier in the season.
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Wiz

I am not sure that if there is less booing of taking the knee and more people applauding the gesture as you say, it means that progress is being made.

You talk of the message getting through ?

What message is this that needs to get through, there is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club, perhaps a campaign that drives a message where it is really needed would be more appropriate ?

I can't help but think that this whole "taking the knee" may have needlessly created a divide and done more harm than good but you obviously do not think that's the case and I respect your opinion.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
(1) it is an analogy. A literary device that people use all the time in order to make a point. I don't know why you don't understand it, most people do.

(2) as Wiz has already said, it is a societal issue. Who said it was just about Blackpool?
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Robbie

I fully understand it, I just form my opinions on what I think and I don't necessarily look to form an opinion that will make me appear more popular.

I do not prejudge or discriminate and I would like to see any campaign against racism make real progress in the areas where it really is needed, unlike yourself who thinks that the campaign is working because it has elderly white males getting in a lather.

You now ask "Who said it was just about Blackpool", I don't think anybody said it was just about Blackpool but commenting on a Blackpool Football Club forum I thought I would just explain to folk that there is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and it might be an idea to highlight the progress that has been made in this area.

That is certainly not to say that we should not be looking to continue the outstanding progress that has been made in this area but given that you are not usually shy in championing the progress made in other areas by the club or the trust, I just think that you should perhaps be more positive and acknowledge the outstanding progress that has been made.
 
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SwannDangerous said:
Most racists don't think racism is an issue... is that your point?
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Swann

No, that's not my point.

What point are you trying to make ?

Are you accusing me of being racist because I am questioning the effectiveness of a certain protest against racism ?

Or are you accusing me of being racist because I have said that there is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and that the club - and football in general - have made great progress in this area ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Swann

No, that's not my point.

What point are you trying to make ?

Are you accusing me of being racist because I am questioning the effectiveness of a certain protest against racism ?

Or are you accusing me of being racist because I have said that there is no big problem with racism at Blackpool Football Club and that the club - and football in general - have made great progress in this area ?
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You said racism isn't an issue? Most people that are racist would not be arsed to stand up against it. That's my point.

Blackpool has one of the lowest proportions of ethnic minorities in the whole country, roughly less than 5% of the population is classed as "not white". Ofcourse its not as big of a problem here as it is in other places, but that doesn't mean that it isn't an issue.

Or do you mean because it's not an issue in Blackpool football club specifically then it's fine? You aren't bothered about the wider populous? Don't care about the racism apparent in Manchester? Or London? Or America? Maybe because it doesn't directly affect you?

There was a little lad that got killed by his parents that we all stood and applauded for 2 minutes during the Luton game... that doesn't affect blackpool football club and it certainly wasn't an issue within the football club... but I'm sure you weren't fussed about the public display of affection towards him? No. Didn't think so.

The fact that you find it annoying that you think a public demonstration AGAINST ALL RACISM is annoying/shouldn't happen/whatever you think in your tiny mind just shows to me that you are probably a racist, or at the very least have racist tendencies, and a severe lack of empathy.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Wiz

Thanks for informing me that the BLM movement began in 2013.

I won't try and pretend that I was aware of this before you told me but I certainly did not suggest when the movement began.

What I would suggest is that the whole "taking the knee" protest was introduced in the football grounds of our green and pleasant land shortly after George Floyd was unlawfully killed in America and I am of the opinion that the "taking the knee" protest would not have started in this country if the death of George Floyd had not occurred.

Please note that I am only making a suggestion and I appreciate that you may not share my opinion on this matter.

Please also note that I am not trying to be sarcastic in my response and I want to make it clear to you that I am of the opinion that racism should never be accepted.

I feel that there are other more serious issues/problems in this country and certainly in our local community that could perhaps benefit more from a continued protest and/or some form of awareness/education campaign and I feel that I should be allowed to express such an opinion without facing any ridiculous accusations of racism.

I am not suggesting that you are accusing me of racism Wiz - not yet anyway.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
Wizaard said:
Thanks for the clarification.
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Sorry Wiz.

I don't like being funny with you, I don't agree with all you say and clearly we have differing political views but I am perhaps not doing a good job of explaining myself and I end up being overly pedantic.

Moving on, I am hearing that Mr Lubala has been cleared, I've not been on the thread and I don't know what folk are saying on all the issues around that, I don't think I'll be able to stop myself having a look at the thread but I have already decided not to comment as not for the first time, I am taking AVFTT too seriously.
 
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