UK CV-19 deaths to hit 80,000 by March 2021

Perhaps you should try a newspaper, rather than a comic? The timing and implementation of the easing has been extensively discussed for at least a fortnight.

True, but that was only part of what the OP said, and since he refuses to post a link I'll do my best with what he has posted.

First off, the post reads like something copied and pasted from twitter rather than any kind of reputable publication, which may explain the lack of any kind of source, and in that context starts to look like a political attack rather than a factual claim.

Let's look at it in a bit of detail:


Another 30,000 deaths will arise rise because lockdown was lifted too early claims the SAGE Group.

This is the one I really want the link to, because
  • it doesn't sound like the kind of thing SAGE would say;
  • I can find no hint of this in the minutes of their meetings;
but mainly because it's the core of the post, it's an attack on the government citing their own advisers but there's no obvious evidence that it is true and without a source there's no way to check either.

One important point that you might be unaware of, there is an "independent SAGE" group run by hard left activists that likes to pretend it's the real thing and sometimes gets confused for it, is that what's going on here? I suspect so but again, no link, no way to check



Infection rates have stopped falling for the first time due to people starting to meet up again

R has been stuck at 0.7 - 0.9 for a while, I can find reference to 0.5 - 0.9 from Sage minutes, 5 May (oh look a link, how useful) it's far from clear what impact the easing of restrictions has had on it and to say that any change in it is only down to changes in restrictions is a flat out lie.

Also, note the non-sequitur, even if R has stabilised and even if it were only down to the changes made it does not follow that the changes were made too early and does not support the claim that SAGE have advised otherwise.


Now for the next trick:

Chief MO Chris Whitty said he expects the infection rate to remain the same through 2020 into Spring next year, with 100-150 dying each day bringing the death rate to 80,000 by March.

Can you see what they've done?

Go back to the first part of the post.

The claim they are making is that every death from now on is the result of lifting lockdown too early, and if it hadn't been done then no-one at all would have died from the disease, this is manifestly absurd.



So to summarise, it's a hard left activist attack post with several deceptions and dirty tricks thrown in and you've swallowed it whole.

Do you see why I like to see sources now?
 
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Finally for some reason you seemed to decide that Independent Sage represent ‘lefty activists’ . I don’t suppose you can back that up with a link perchance

Hadn't seen your post when I made my previous, I suspected that indy sage might have been behind it but didn't find the article in the Independent, this is why I wanted the link.

In terms of lefty activists: https://order-order.com/2020/05/04/not-independent-activist-stuffed-shadow-sage/, Guido is somewhat reputable and in any event I'm sure the claims can be fact checked if you want.
 
For someone who professes to be an educated person (and more troublingly an educator), you are beneath contempt. You know very well that the 'take it in the chin' comment attributed to Johnson was completely bogus; taken from an hugely edited clip that removed the context and then what Johnson actually said. Clearly it hasn't stopped the far left from continuing to promulgate the lie.

There is no way that you or your ilk should be anywhere near kids - in a position of influence in the classroom. You should be struck off.
Except that the full clip says that the virus
For someone who professes to be an educated person (and more troublingly an educator), you are beneath contempt. You know very well that the 'take it in the chin' comment attributed to Johnson was completely bogus; taken from an hugely edited clip that removed the context and then what Johnson actually said. Clearly it hasn't stopped the far left from continuing to promulgate the lie.

There is no way that you or your ilk should be anywhere near kids - in a position of influence in the classroom. You should be struck off.
Except that the take it on the chin quote was followed immediately by allow the virus to move through the population.
Such negligence cost thousands of lives but you are more concerned with trying to rewrite history to shift blame from an incompetent Prime Minister.
 
In terms of lefty activists: https://order-order.com/2020/05/04/not-independent-activist-stuffed-shadow-sage/, Guido is somewhat reputable and in any event I'm sure the claims can be fact checked if you want.
'Guido is somewhat reputable':

Their readership are hilarious:
'And the BBC et al have them on all the time without declaring their interests.'
Professor Challenger would expose these remainiac globalist charlatan's!
More crazy lefties trying to peddle their loony views. can anybody tell me how to shut them up?

A demented frothy collection indeed -😂 The mad right's tea party.
 
For someone who professes to be an educated person (and more troublingly an educator), you are beneath contempt. You know very well that the 'take it in the chin' comment attributed to Johnson was completely bogus; taken from an hugely edited clip that removed the context and then what Johnson actually said. Clearly it hasn't stopped the far left from continuing to promulgate the lie.

There is no way that you or your ilk should be anywhere near kids - in a position of influence in the classroom. You should be struck off.
Except that the full clip says that the virus
I have googled it and it was denied it was said. So if you can't show me the direct quote then as I said Cat was wrong to use it as a direct quote. If you can then I'll retract my comment.
So Dominic Cummings lied and Boris Johnson covered up for him. I'd prefer to believe someone who did not lie about doing no wrong swanning up to Durham or breaking the law to give his wife a birthday trip out to Bernard Castle
 
A demented frothy collection indeed -😂 The mad right's tea party.

I avoid the comments section for that reason but the journalism he puts out is usually reliable, well sourced and offers an insight into the way the media operates.

But you see the wider point, by providing a link you can agree or disagree with my claims without it, where would you be?
 
I avoid the comments section for that reason but the journalism he puts out is usually reliable, well sourced and offers an insight into the way the media operates.

But you see the wider point, by providing a link you can agree or disagree with my claims without it, where would you be?
I do get the importance of a link when it is appropriate but were not writing an academic thesis here where it is subject to peer review. We can express an opinion without having to submit a Harvard referenced bibliographic appendix!!
 
Hadn't seen your post when I made my previous, I suspected that indy sage might have been behind it but didn't find the article in the Independent, this is why I wanted the link.

In terms of lefty activists: https://order-order.com/2020/05/04/not-independent-activist-stuffed-shadow-sage/, Guido is somewhat reputable and in any event I'm sure the claims can be fact checked if you want.
Guido is somewhat reputable! What an absolutely ridiculous and untrue statement. I'm tempted to say what I really think about the right wing propaganda machine but I've stated often on here that I don't use foul language.
 
Guido is somewhat reputable! What an absolutely ridiculous and untrue statement. I'm tempted to say what I really think about the right wing propaganda machine but I've stated often on here that I don't use foul language.

I must say that made me blink in surprise as well. Guido will be mortified.....
 
Teachers aren't supposed to have sex with their pupils, that's standard practice in an educational setting. But guess what? It does occasionally happen. That's not casting any aspersions against anyone but sometimes the 'rules' aren't always adhered to.
Can’t you tell the difference between “standard practice” and a criminal offence ?
 
Hard left? Prof. Sir David King? Tony Blair’s Chief Scientist? Guffaw! 🤣

Maybe not as hard left as some on Indy Sage but lost his job under Boris, anti-Brexit, regular critic of Boris, and that's the best you can come up with?

How about one of the communists instead?


Edit: in fact do we know much about Prof. King's politics at all; the fact that he seems to have picked the members of the panel suggests he might be every bit as hard left as the others.
 
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i’ll admit that I haven’t checked out the characters involved beyond King and Pagel but the idea of a hard left scientist group offering to help the government just sounds so laughable. Personally I worry about hard right ice cream van drivers. I watched Assault on Precinct 13. An ice cream van turns up and all hell broke loose 😱😱😱
 
Teachers aren't supposed to have sex with their pupils, that's standard practice in an educational setting. But guess what? It does occasionally happen. That's not casting any aspersions against anyone but sometimes the 'rules' aren't always adhered to.

Can’t you tell the difference between “standard practice” and a criminal offence ?

My point remains the same. You are talking about the consequences.

No, I am talking about the person’s action, as offered by your direct comparison between teaching standards and sexual abuse of school children. Your comparison is ludicrous. And hateful.
 
No, I am talking about the person’s action, as offered by your direct comparison between teaching standards and sexual abuse of school children. Your comparison is ludicrous. And hateful.
Nothing hateful at all. It was a general comment to make a point. You were talking about standard practice. Standard practice is laid down by rules and guidelines. I simply stated that it's not always the case that rules and guidelines are followed.
And spare me your sanctimonious claptrap. Cat does nothing but post messages of hate.
 
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So, 20s thinks that sexual abuse of a school child by a teacher is just a case of “not following the rules and guidelines”. Just “sanctimonious claptrap”. That’s warped.
 
So, 20s thinks that sexual abuse of a school child by a teacher is just a case of “not following the rules and guidelines”. Just “sanctimonious claptrap”. That’s warped.
Oh do fuck off, you're completely twisting things. Of course, some offences are more serious than others. I was simply highlighting that standard practice isn't always followed.
 
Oh do fuck off, you're completely twisting things. Of course, some offences are more serious than others. I was simply highlighting that standard practice isn't always followed.
A rather bizarre and extreme example to pick though 20s...there's a world of difference between "standard practice" and a criminal offence that would lead to being struck off the teaching register and a prison sentence.
 
A rather bizarre and extreme example to pick though 20s...there's a world of difference between "standard practice" and a criminal offence that would lead to being struck off the teaching register and a prison sentence.
Yes it was an extreme example, it was just the first thing that came into my head about not following standard practice. I was simply pointing out an example of where rarely on occasions standard practice has not been followed. And I did say about consequences which is what you refer to by not following standard practice. Sorry, I think a mountain out of a molehill is being made here.
 
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