UK Population Growth

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TSSeasider

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I'd never really given it much thought until a could of days ago when I read a tweet which paraphrasing, said '50 million people got access to free health care overnight due the founding of the NHS'

I hadn't realised that the population of the country was that big back then, so I looked at it.

1948 Population of UK 50m
2000 Population of UK 57m
2020 Population of UK 68m
So it took 50 years for our population to grow by 7 million but only 20 years for another 11m. A significant majority of this growth was driven by migration, not aging.

It probably explains why we've not really got the infrastructure, housing, schools reservoirs etc. Looking at the way we seem to creak at the seams, it appears this population growth wasn't really planned for.

I can also understand when people say they don't recognise the country any more, as it really has changed in a relatively short period of time.

It doesn't really affect me, but I was genuinely surprised at the figures.
 
We have at least 430,000 -1.2 million illegal immigrants in this country. That doesnt help. Don't blame them for being here btw.
 
Shandypants said:
Driven by migration and not aging? Are you sure about that
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Tangerinenick said:
We have at least 430,000 -1.2 million illegal immigrants in this country. That doesnt help. Don't blame them for being here btw.
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There's a big difference between those numbers.

Ageing population is the biggest cause of population growth in this country. Average life span of a man in 1948 was 65. Now it's 80. Women even higher albeit not as big a gap as there used to be.

Basically millions worked in heavy industry then retired and died exhausted. Another consequence of Thatchers decimation of industry. The pension bill is rising constantly especially with triple lock in place.
 
Surely if Thatcher reduced the amount jobs in heavy industry and indeed in the coal mines then that extended the lives of those who subsequently led less unhealthy lifestyles.

I remember in my youth in the 60`s being in digs with a Welsh couple, he was a retired miner who died of pneumoconiosis soon after I arrived.
 
"Basically millions worked in heavy industry then retired and died exhausted. Another consequence of Thatchers decimation of industry"

"Surely if Thatcher reduced the amount jobs in heavy industry and indeed in the coal mines then that extended the lives of those who subsequently led less unhealthy lifestyles"


Wiz - It would appear you want to have your cake and eat it. Come on, which one is it ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
"Basically millions worked in heavy industry then retired and died exhausted. Another consequence of Thatchers decimation of industry"

"Surely if Thatcher reduced the amount jobs in heavy industry and indeed in the coal mines then that extended the lives of those who subsequently led less unhealthy lifestyles"


Wiz - It would appear you want to have your cake and eat it. Come on, which one is it ?
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The conversation was around population growth. We now have people living a lot longer. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's a consequence of the decimation of heavy industry. There is a cost to it as well in terms of stress in on the NHS and pensions.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Source please.
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He hasn't got one, and by its very nature it has to be an educated guess at best. After all, they don't sign up to a database do they?

For balance, we also have a great many legal immigrants. You must have seen them - they are doctors, nurses, bus drivers, community workers, police officers, shop staff, civil servants, white collar professionals blah blah blah...........
 
In comparison to world population growth UK growth is relatively low, and it is the same in all western countries. Immigration is the thing that has been propping up the country for the last 50 years or so. The skewing of the population towards older people is quite alarming, The UK is very close to the limits on sustainability in terms of population. Italy has already passed that and now is in population reduction as is Hungary and a couple of other countries.

In the areas of tradional heavy industry in the UK life expectancy or at least male life expectancy has been dropping for almost a decade according to a Princeton study. The increase in life expectancy was most significant from the post war period to the late sixties, introduction of the NHS and the wider introduction of work related legislation, safer places less hours etc. the differencxe between the south of england and the north in terms of life expectancy is shown on the office for national statistics web site.

ill just add : Material poverty is the most important single determinant of life expectancy. British medical journal article.
 
TSSeasider said:
I'd never really given it much thought until a could of days ago when I read a tweet which paraphrasing, said '50 million people got access to free health care overnight due the founding of the NHS'

I hadn't realised that the population of the country was that big back then, so I looked at it.

1948 Population of UK 50m
2000 Population of UK 57m
2020 Population of UK 68m
So it took 50 years for our population to grow by 7 million but only 20 years for another 11m. A significant majority of this growth was driven by migration, not aging.

It probably explains why we've not really got the infrastructure, housing, schools reservoirs etc. Looking at the way we seem to creak at the seams, it appears this population growth wasn't really planned for.

I can also understand when people say they don't recognise the country any more, as it really has changed in a relatively short period of time.

It doesn't really affect me, but I was genuinely surprised at the figures.
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Come on TS, surely the fact that services are creaking at the seams is Boris's fault?

Having said that I have no doubt he has done more than his bit to contribute to population growth.
 
The population growth hadn't been evenly spread.

Life expectancy where I live is actually falling.

Anyway, 19% population growth, need 19% more school places, care home needs, road capacity etc.

We haven't done that; we're unlikely to do it, which means uncomfortable livingv in areas of high population growth and/or rising prices.

Anyway, looking back to 2017, the link to the ONS site explains that population growth is above the natural growth (living longer v number of births etc) by 50,000/year. They put it down to immigration being higher than emigration by up to 400,000/year linked generally to the introduction of FoM for additional EU citizens.

Overview of the UK population - Office for National Statistics

How and why the UK population has changed, how it is projected to change and comparison with other European countries.
www.ons.gov.uk
 
Overworked was the killer now the opposite occurs and life expectancy falling again.
Little activitity, fast food and cheap booze are the new killers.
All lead to obesity and a shorter life.
 
bollieboy said:
Global population predicted to dramatically fall.

www.bbc.co.uk

Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

Nearly every country will see their populations fall as the world has fewer babies.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I read that part of the problem is modern lifestyles. Overworked and stressed doesn't get you in the mood, people work an average 10 hours per week longer than they did 20 years ago. Children are also expensive and will put a halt on buying Jimmy choo shoes and full sleeve tattoos are also expensive.
 
Shandypants said:
I read that part of the problem is modern lifestyles. Overworked and stressed doesn't get you in the mood, people work an average 10 hours per week longer than they did 20 years ago. Children are also expensive and will put a halt on buying Jimmy choo shoes and full sleeve tattoos are also expensive.
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Modern lifestyles and stress? How does that compare with families of 10 or more in the late 19th / early 20th centuries that worked far longer hours, often in exhastive manual work such as mining or farming? People these days have never had so much leisure time and money to spend. It is the culture that has changed, with many people's focus now being themselves rather than families and being possession focussed rather than community sharing focussed
 
seasideone said:
Utter rubbish, do you blame Maggie 😍 for the weather as well?
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Utter rubbish? The average life expectancy for men in 1948 was 65. That's why the pension was set at that age. Men retired then died frequently within the year after working in heavy industry. Those are facts. I'm not blaming Thatcher for that. A consequence of her closing heavy industry is that people live longer with a bigger cost to the pension bill. Again, facts.
 
Wizaard said:
Utter rubbish? The average life expectancy for men in 1948 was 65. That's why the pension was set at that age. Men retired then died frequently within the year after working in heavy industry. Those are facts. I'm not blaming Thatcher for that. A consequence of her closing heavy industry is that people live longer with a bigger cost to the pension bill. Again, facts.
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You are blaming Maggie in your original post!
 
“Basically millions worked in heavy industry then retired and died exhausted. Another consequence of Thatchers decimation of industry.”

How is that not blaming Maggie?

You refer to ‘another consequence’ after stating ‘millions worked in heavy industry and died exhausted’
 
seasideone said:
“Basically millions worked in heavy industry then retired and died exhausted. Another consequence of Thatchers decimation of industry.”

How is that not blaming Maggie?

You refer to ‘another consequence’ after stating ‘millions worked in heavy industry and died exhausted’
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I'm referring to the previous paragraph about pensions as I clarified earlier. You've selectively edited my original post.
 
seasideone said:
We will just have to agree to disagree 👍

Thank god 20s is not involved 😂😂
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If you review my original post, I go on to say that people are living much longer, increasing the pension bill. That's the consequence of Thatchers closure of industry, not them dying earlier.
 
Wizaard said:
If you review my original post, I go on to say that people are living much longer, increasing the pension bill. That's the consequence of Thatchers closure of industry, not them dying earlier.
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I refer you to my previous answer 👍

Just watching PMQs 😂
 
TSSeasider said:
I'd never really given it much thought until a could of days ago when I read a tweet which paraphrasing, said '50 million people got access to free health care overnight due the founding of the NHS'

I hadn't realised that the population of the country was that big back then, so I looked at it.

1948 Population of UK 50m
2000 Population of UK 57m
2020 Population of UK 68m
So it took 50 years for our population to grow by 7 million but only 20 years for another 11m. A significant majority of this growth was driven by migration, not aging.

It probably explains why we've not really got the infrastructure, housing, schools reservoirs etc. Looking at the way we seem to creak at the seams, it appears this population growth wasn't really planned for.

I can also understand when people say they don't recognise the country any more, as it really has changed in a relatively short period of time.

It doesn't really affect me, but I was genuinely surprised at the figures.
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There is a very good reason that’s obvious to anyone.
 
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