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I'm going to defend JC and JM on this. Admiration for a system is one thing ; admiration for the murderous bunch of crooks who happen to be in charge of it over there is very different. Had they known what was to come, I doubt either would have been quite so publicly supportive.

In any case, who are we to talk? We elected the man who had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done.....
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm going to defend JC and JM on this. Admiration for a system is one thing ; admiration for the murderous bunch of crooks who happen to be in charge of it over there is very different. Had they known what was to come, I doubt either would have been quite so publicly supportive.
In any case, who are we to talk? We elected the man who had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done.....
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Exactly as expected. Our government might not kill and torture its citizens but we had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done, which is just as bad. Slightly surprised to see BR at the front of the line though.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm going to defend JC and JM on this. Admiration for a system is one thing ; admiration for the murderous bunch of crooks who happen to be in charge of it over there is very different. Had they known what was to come, I doubt either would have been quite so publicly supportive.

In any case, who are we to talk? We elected the man who had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done.....
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Yep, fully agree with that.

And before more of you get dragged into the O/P`s intellectual black hole, Britain`s governments (of all persuasion) have knowingly supported dozens of murderous regimes throughout the decades and will continue to do so...
 
tangerinenotorange said:
Exactly as expected. Our government might not kill and torture its citizens but we had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done, which is just as bad. Slightly surprised to see BR at the front of the line though.
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My point was about gullibility of people, not a comparison.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm going to defend JC and JM on this. Admiration for a system is one thing ; admiration for the murderous bunch of crooks who happen to be in charge of it over there is very different.
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The problem is that this particular system always ends up being run by a bunch of murderous crooks so to admire one is to admire the other.
 
I think a lot of Countries have real problems no matter what type of 'ideological government' calls the shots.
Socialism is a lovely concept but if it was so easy everywhere would be at it.
It has arguably been a poor choice or very badly implemented in the vast majority of cases.

Or some may argue it simply may not actually work in practical terms.

Is it just in reality more of a utopian ideological concept that gives people a false barometer?

You only have to look at what happened in Hungary fairly recently. Well intentioned Socialism failed & now the poor feckers have virtually got a right wing dictatorship😒.

Western Democracy and 'reasonably' middle ground politics is likely still the best we have although i would like to see more PR.

Buffoon Boris,Commie Corbyn or any politician could never in reality do anywhere near as much damage to the UK thankfully as some may inflict on 'their' Countries.

So I guess in the grand scheme of things for that we should be thankful.
 
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spudgun said:
Yep, fully agree with that.

And before more of you get dragged into the O/P`s intellectual black hole, Britain`s governments (of all persuasion) have knowingly supported dozens of murderous regimes throughout the decades and will continue to do so...
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And so have many other foreign governments.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm going to defend JC and JM on this. Admiration for a system is one thing ; admiration for the murderous bunch of crooks who happen to be in charge of it over there is very different. Had they known what was to come, I doubt either would have been quite so publicly supportive.

In any case, who are we to talk? We elected the man who had an oven ready deal that would have got Brexit done.....
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I would question the comparison between a regime denounced by the UNHCR as having committed crimes against humanity and a bumbling democratically elected government who are trying to do what they said theyp would do with regards to Brexit (albeit cack handedly).
 
Just to re-iterate ; my point was about people being gullible. Not a comparison of the Venezuelan and UK regimes, which would clearly be ludicrous. I was merely saying that JC and JM probably fell for the allure of the Venezuelan model for benign but misguided reasons. And that I could think of a recent example of many, many people doing essentially the same thing.
 
Slightly changing the subject, have you read Left Out - the story of the Labour Party under JC?
John McD comes out very well but JC and his inner sanctum do not - it certainly explains a few things if it's true.
 
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