Virus press conference

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Quite scary update from the scientists. Cases to quadruple every four weeks as things stand. New cases increasing everywhere, some places more than others.

The main message is if you take risks, those risks are not just your own. You are taking risks for everyone.

Four main points made:

Wash hands, follow sanitary regimes and self-distance where possible

Isolate the virus and keep it out of circulation

Break unnecessary links between households

Science – drugs, vaccines, diagnostics progress
 
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What constitutes a 'risk' and what is an 'unnecessary' link between households?

I think it's 'positive' that the message is made clear to those who are not vulnerable, that it's also about their ability to spread. Just as it's sensible to say to those who are vulnerable that they need to make some fairly tough choices in terms of how they interact within general society.
 
But by not allowing sporting events or concert venues, theatres etc. to open properly you effectively send them out of business. Isn't it better to let them open and ensure we all understand the risks to us on all levels - the risk to my own health, the potential risk to someone else's health through attending with symptoms and the associated risk on civil liberties and personal interactions if i choose to expose myself to greater risk.
 
You would think someone would tell him he should trim his eyebrows.
The mad scientist look is not comforting the public.
 
The problem is that we are entering the season of coughs and sneezes, whether a cold, flu or the CV. Testing capacity will be challenged and self-isolation, with effect on the economy, will become more prevalent.
 
I do hope Gove`s flippant Brexit statement that "Britain has had enough of experts" is treated with the contempt it deserves by the public when it comes to attitudes to the scientific expert`s advice on Covid-19.

However the fact that #sackWhitty and #sackVallance is currently trending is rather worrying...
 
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There was nothing new announced but it did bring home what a critical time this is for everyone. Those flouting the rules should be properly brought to account because the scientists are right, their risks are not just their own. New cases doubling every week. If nothing changes 50,000 new cases per day by 15 October. At least 92% not covered by immunity so the herd immunity argument not sustainable.
 
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The UK needs to copy Singapore....

1 Anyone entering the country from a place with high infection rate - does 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel taken over by the government.

1b There are a few exceptions where quarantine is not needed such as New Zealand.

1c Any country that has low infection you can do the quarantine at home BUT you will be tagged. UK is classed as very high risk and if coming from India you have to have a test before you get here AND go into gov quarantine.

2 If you abuse 1 expect to go to prison and rightly so.

3 Mask worn everywhere (Not in own home) unless sat a table with food and drink.

4 Track and trace is a legal requirement - if you get a stay at home notice don’t break it or you will probably end up in prison - rightly so!

5 Max of 5 guests in house or max of 5 at a table in a restaurant.

6 Alcohol finished by 10.30pm in bars / restaurants.

7 Safe distance ambassadors wandering round checking in bars and restaurants- anyone found flaunting it is generally closed for a couple of weeks.

8 QR code’s to enter and leave anywhere linked directly to the track n trace db - my app tells me if I am clear or if I have been near anyone - even if no need to isolate.

9 Strict enforcement of all the above - now there lies the issue with the UK!!!!

10 All locations of where anyone infected has been for 30 mins published daily.

11 Aggressive testing scheme for any at risk workers or population.

Result- an average of less than one case in the general population on average per day in the last two weeks.
 
Archibald Knox said:
The problem is that we are entering the season of coughs and sneezes, whether a cold, flu or the CV. Testing capacity will be challenged and self-isolation, with effect on the economy, will become more prevalent.
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We need to see an end to this oft-seen nonsense of people openly spreading their germs by going into public spaces when clearly unwell. We've all worked with the sort of person who comes in and coughs and sneezes all day, whilst saying 'there's something going around'. They need to stay off and they also need the government to support them in terms of ensuring 'rogue' employers aren't bullying sick people into work via veiled threats.
 
straightatthewall said:
What constitutes a 'risk' and what is an 'unnecessary' link between households?

I think it's 'positive' that the message is made clear to those who are not vulnerable, that it's also about their ability to spread. Just as it's sensible to say to those who are vulnerable that they need to make some fairly tough choices in terms of how they interact within general society.
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Agree with that. The selfish attitude of some is the underlying cause for me and the reason why positive cases are spiralling. Cue COVID deniers saying masks etc make no difference.
 
Unfortunately the people who need to watch this wouldn’t understand it, and in any case they’re too busy breaking the rule of 6.

Saw 2 other large groups this morning, no distancing, can’t count to 6, and complete ignorance and selfishness.
 
cruzzer said:
Unfortunately the people who need to watch this wouldn’t understand it,
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Yep, lots of people simply don't watch/read/listen to the news and are pretty much unaware of what's going on in the world.

Understandable perhaps in normal circumstances, but in the middle of a global health emergency, surely a bit of attention is due?
 
Interesting that they appear to have suggested an average infection fatality rate of around 0.40%. (200 deaths per 50,000 cases).
 
seasideone said:
The UK needs to copy Singapore....

1 Anyone entering the country from a place with high infection rate - does 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel taken over by the government.

1b There are a few exceptions where quarantine is not needed such as New Zealand.

1c Any country that has low infection you can do the quarantine at home BUT you will be tagged. UK is classed as very high risk and if coming from India you have to have a test before you get here AND go into gov quarantine.

2 If you abuse 1 expect to go to prison and rightly so.

3 Mask worn everywhere (Not in own home) unless sat a table with food and drink.

4 Track and trace is a legal requirement - if you get a stay at home notice don’t break it or you will probably end up in prison - rightly so!

5 Max of 5 guests in house or max of 5 at a table in a restaurant.

6 Alcohol finished by 10.30pm in bars / restaurants.

7 Safe distance ambassadors wandering round checking in bars and restaurants- anyone found flaunting it is generally closed for a couple of weeks.

8 QR code’s to enter and leave anywhere linked directly to the track n trace db - my app tells me if I am clear or if I have been near anyone - even if no need to isolate.

9 Strict enforcement of all the above - now there lies the issue with the UK!!!!

10 All locations of where anyone infected has been for 30 mins published daily.

11 Aggressive testing scheme for any at risk workers or population.

Result- an average of less than one case in the general population on average per day in the last two weeks.
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The U.K. public simply wouldn’t put up with that kind of ‘regime’ and so it’s important that tour Government focus on what is right for our way of life here.

Any measures also need to be sustainable in order that we can learn to live with them over the medium term.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The U.K. public simply wouldn’t put up with that kind of ‘regime’ and so it’s important that tour Government focus on what is right for our way of life here.

Any measures also need to be sustainable in order that we can learn to live with them over the medium term.
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Which is why the UK is becoming infected again!!!!

Its alright saying people will not put up with it, but the choice is stark.

The madness is by having the laws in Singapore that we do, it’s much more free than the UK is about to become.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The U.K. public simply wouldn’t put up with that kind of ‘regime’ and so it’s important that tour Government focus on what is right for our way of life here.

Any measures also need to be sustainable in order that we can learn to live with them over the medium term.
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Why not? If you go abroad, then you need to expect consequences, especially when so many are ignoring the polite request to quarantine. If people played by the current rules, then there's no need for draconian measures, but it's blatantly obvious that they're not, and the rising rate is the outcome.

If it's clear to you that on your return, you have to stay in a monitored quarantine zone, then you factor that in to your decision to go abroad in the first place.


There's an argument to be made that anyone who tests positive regardless of going abroad should be put under a similar restriction until they get the all clear. Many are just carrying on and infecting others in a totally selfish way.

'There is no such thing as society' is to blame 😉
 
seasideone said:
Which is why the UK is becoming infected again!!!!

Its alright saying people will not put up with it, but the choice is stark.

The madness is by having the laws in Singapore that we do, it’s much more free than the UK is about to become.
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Are you trying to suggest that the fact we don’t throw people in prison for breaking certain rules is the reason the UK is becoming infected again?

The two countries have significant differences and therefore need different approaches, simple as.

Throw people into prison my backside !!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Are you trying to suggest that the fact we don’t throw people in prison for breaking certain rules is the reason the UK is becoming infected again?

The two countries have significant differences and therefore need different approaches, simple as.

Throw people into prison my backside !!!
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The law is already there that you can be put in prison for breaking the quarantine law. It's just not enforced as yet. Three people in the Isle of Man have been jailed, albeit they have their own legislation.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Are you trying to suggest that the fact we don’t throw people in prison for breaking certain rules is the reason the UK is becoming infected again?

The two countries have significant differences and therefore need different approaches, simple as.

Throw people into prison my backside !!!
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There has been very few put in Prison for breaching the rules - that’s because people are following them!!!!

The main differences between the UK government and Singapore is that Singapore tends to have compotent politicians and the UK has Boris and Cummings!!!

Also, the population tends to follow advice when given by the government here - but then again - you do follow the process here - as the culture is law abiding and if you don’t - see ya!! .... what’s wrong with that???

I actually quite like the fact I NEVER have felt threatened here and never seen a crime however trivial it may seem in the Uk.

If I got the toilet in a bar here I leave my phone and wallet to reserve my place, knowing it’s safe - isn’t that a better way to live than in a drug fuelled knife wheeling country???

I’ve also NEVER locked my front door 👍
 
seasideone said:
There has been very few put in Prison for breaching the rules - that’s because people are following them!!!!

The main differences between the UK government and Singapore is that Singapore tends to have compotent politicians and the UK has Boris and Cummings!!!

Also, the population tends to follow advice when given by the government here - but then again - you do follow the process here - as the culture is law abiding and if you don’t - see ya!! .... what’s wrong with that???

I actually quite like the fact I NEVER have felt threatened here and never seen a crime however trivial it may seem in the Uk.

If I got the toilet in a bar here I leave my phone and mobile to reserve my place, knowing it’s safe - isn’t that a better way to live than in a drug fuelled knife wheeling country???

I’ve also NEVER locked my front door 👍
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Absolute bollox, every word of it.
 
seasideone said:
1 Anyone entering the country from a place with high infection rate - does 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel taken over by the government.

1b There are a few exceptions where quarantine is not needed such as New Zealand.

1c Any country that has low infection you can do the quarantine at home BUT you will be tagged. UK is classed as very high risk and if coming from India you have to have a test before you get here AND go into gov quarantine.

2 If you abuse 1 expect to go to prison and rightly so.
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Totally pointless for the same reason it was totally pointless back in March, if the vast majority of transmission is within the UK then the marginal effect of what you suggest is so minimal it's a complete waste of everybody's time, money and public trust.


seasideone said:
3 Mask worn everywhere (Not in own home) unless sat a table with food and drink.
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Actively counterproductive and likely to increase transmission.


seasideone said:
5 Max of 5 guests in house or max
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This would be a loosening of the rules.


seasideone said:
All locations of where anyone infected has been for 30 mins published daily.
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This is starting to sound like the third reich.


seasideone said:
Aggressive testing scheme for any at risk workers or population.
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Which we already have.
 
cruzzer said:
So you’ve never seen a crime, ever been overtaken by a speeding car?

You must either live under a rock or in field with only sheep for company.
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Traffic offences that you mention are not criminal - and no I have never seen a crime in Singapore.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Totally pointless for the same reason it was totally pointless back in March, if the vast majority of transmission is within the UK then the marginal effect of what you suggest is so minimal it's a complete waste of everybody's time, money and public trust.




Actively counterproductive and likely to increase transmission.




This would be a loosening of the rules.




This is starting to sound like the third reich.




Which we already have.
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If the measures Singapore have put in has made the country pretty much Covid free, how can they be wrong??

The measures the UK obviously put in, have not worked - otherwise why are local lockdowns happening and a UK wide one may be in the cards??
 
seasideone said:
Traffic offences that you mention are not criminal - and no I have never seen a crime in Singapore.
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If indeed you are in Singapore (which I doubt), you cannot pass comment on the UK situation, and certainly not compare the 2 governments.
 
cruzzer said:
If indeed you are in Singapore (which I doubt), you cannot pass comment on the UK situation, and certainly not compare the 2 governments.
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Why would you doubt I am in Singapore?

It may come as a shock but we have Uk news channels here as well as UK tv - and friends and family in the Uk which we talk to all the time.

We have this thing called the internet as well that works at 2 gig a second 👍

I don’t have to live in the UK to know Boris is an idiot and the Uk government are a waste of space - and that the general population just do what they want.....and that’s coming from a Tory!!

By your definition nobody could compare two governemets - but it is quite easy really 😉
 
seasideone said:
Why would you doubt I am in Singapore?

It may come as a shock but we have Uk news channels here as well as UK tv - and friends and family in the Uk which we talk to all the time.

We have this thing called the internet as well that works at 2 gig a second 👍

I don’t have to live in the UK to know Boris is an idiot and the Uk government are a waste of space - and that the general population just do what they want.....and that’s coming from a Tory!!

By your definition nobody could compare two governemets - but it is quite easy really 😉
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You therefore live in a draconian bubble where it’s illegal to spit in the street, where the population are very compliant almost to subservience. The UK and Singapore could not be further removed and don’t bear comparison.

Our population would not and could not live with your laws. Wales would have to be used as a prison site just to accommodate the scrotes, not a bad thing perhaps!
 
seasideone said:
If the measures Singapore have put in has made the country pretty much Covid free, how can they be wrong??
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Because the virus never established itself in Singapore in the first place, hence:
  • travel restrictions are potentially far more effective than once the virus is established;
  • masks don't do anything either way since there is no CV to transmit;
and the rest of what you mention is either a loosening of the rules, what we already have or likely to start a revolution (plus we'd have to let out all the murderers, rapists and thieves to make room for your brand of Total Law Enforcement).
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because the virus never established itself in Singapore in the first place, hence:
  • travel restrictions are potentially far more effective than once the virus is established;
  • masks don't do anything either way since there is no CV to transmit;
and the rest of what you mention is either a loosening of the rules, what we already have or likely to start a revolution (plus we'd have to let out all the murderers, rapists and thieves to make room for your brand of Total Law Enforcement).
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That’s not true though - the virus did establish itself here, hence why we have had 50k plus cases.

The country was in strict lockdown for nearly 3 months before gentle losening.

Masks do make a difference in transmission - if you have a mask on and cough - less drops escape.

Regards the borders - letting the virus either back in or in more makes a difference.

The amount of people here in quarantine that have proved positive tend to be Indian, US or Philippino citizens.

How many flights a day arrive from India, US or the Philippines in the UK and go unchecked or asked to quarantine and not enforced?

You mention a Revolution - if the Uk is not prepared to follow the rules then why have them??
 
Will tell you the problem we have here in this country. We have a society who are now used to doing what the hell they like without repercussion. Unless you break some PC rules or You are not tolerant enough of this that and the other then it is fair game to be a selfish, couldn’t give a stuff about anyone else attitude, so long as you are being tolerant towards certain people.

nothing wrong with being tolerant to minority groups etc., it is right and proper, but we have forgotten how to behave to everyone else, mainly a 2 fingered approach to any kind of authority, be it in the family home, at school, in public, to the laws of the land and those who enforce it, we have this large group, but still a minority who have the attitude “as long as I’m alright, fuck everyone else” it’s these thick, selfish twats who are the problem and it’s why it doesn’t happen in Singapore. We are a weak, wishy washy society who have let this happen over decades. At the end of the day, until we get a vaccine that works it will be these groups of people who will destroy much of this country, because they just can’t follow simple rules... they can but they just don’t want to. And this and successive governments and ** so called do-gooders have made it happen.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Will tell you the problem we have here in this country. We have a society who are now used to doing what the hell they like without repercussion. Unless you break some PC rules or You are not tolerant enough of this that and the other then it is fair game to be a selfish, couldn’t give a stuff about anyone else attitude, so long as you are being tolerant towards certain people.

nothing wrong with being tolerant to minority groups etc., it is right and proper, but we have forgotten how to behave to everyone else, mainly a 2 fingered approach to any kind of authority, be it in the family home, at school, in public, to the laws of the land and those who enforce it, we have this large group, but still a minority who have the attitude “as long as I’m alright, fuck everyone else” it’s these thick, selfish twats who are the problem and it’s why it doesn’t happen in Singapore. We are a weak, wishy washy society who have let this happen over decades. At the end of the day, until we get a vaccine that works it will be these groups of people who will destroy much of this country, because they just can’t follow simple rules... they can but they just don’t want to. And this and successive governments and ** so called do-gooders have made it happen.
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Absolutely nailed 👍👍👍👍👍
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
Because we have sentry,s at our end of the m55 so all you knob Ender's cant spread it around (stay in knobber land save the mighty supporters lives )🤪👌.
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So I take it, your quite happy for Blackpool to be turned into the North West’s covid breeding centre?
 
seasideone said:
There has been very few put in Prison for breaching the rules - that’s because people are following them!!!!

The main differences between the UK government and Singapore is that Singapore tends to have compotent politicians and the UK has Boris and Cummings!!!

Also, the population tends to follow advice when given by the government here - but then again - you do follow the process here - as the culture is law abiding and if you don’t - see ya!! .... what’s wrong with that???

I actually quite like the fact I NEVER have felt threatened here and never seen a crime however trivial it may seem in the Uk.

If I got the toilet in a bar here I leave my phone and wallet to reserve my place, knowing it’s safe - isn’t that a better way to live than in a drug fuelled knife wheeling country???

I’ve also NEVER locked my front door 👍
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Firstly... I have also NEVER locked my front door. I have lost a mobile phone on 3 occasions and each time it has been returned to me. I have never had a knife wielded in my direction, not would it be something that I would consider to be a particular risk.

In regard to ‘The Rules’!! Most people in the U.K. are following them. The problem is not the Public or the need for ridiculous and unwarranted threats of ‘fascist style’ punishment, but clarity and consistency over the Government messaging.

What’s wrong with the ‘Singapore Culture’ as you describe it, is that it’s fine, until you become an unfortunate victim of their outdated system... Lessons that the U.K. has learned over many years.

As for the response to Covid, the circumstances are totally different. Small island population where Covid has never really had a foothold as such. Also, as you point out, a submissive, compliant population.

Arguably, the UK should be looking to Sweden, rather than Singapore as an example of how to approach this virus. Treat the public like adults, get a grip of the pubs and bars to ensure they are keeping to regulations and adopt some basic and clear principles that everyone can follow....
 
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