Wayne Couzens

Utterly horrendous, the whole saga makes my blood cold. Utter weirdo and had the nickname rapist by ex colleagues.
 
It’s just totally incomprehensible.
Utterly utterly heartbreaking what that poor girl and now her family have gone through.

Sick, evil *******.

Hope he gets totally traumatised in prison by whatever he may have coming 😡
 
They’ve got indisputable proof that he did it so why isn’t he being put to death. Be good to see him fry in an electric chair or a good public hanging. Now we have to pay to keep the vermin scum oxygen thief.
 
Wizaard said:
Just read the family statements on the BBC website. Heartbreaking. Cant imagine what they're going through.
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Hard to know where to start after reading those statements. The man should serve his full life term and suffer every day the mental torture the family has to go through. Heartbreaking doesn’t even come close.
 
tangysider said:
Big difference between a planned murder like this, and someone punching someone on a night out who strikes his head and subsequently dies.
One should be terminated, the other rehabilitated after a long stretch inside
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The latter is manslaughter isn’t it 🤔
 
No justice, no peace, fuck the police they chanted in her name.

Well the rest of the force did their job, the system did its job and he will die in prison. I hope before he does, he suffers.

The only ones who will never find peace are her family and unlike the rent a mob who abused Sarah's memory, they have been incredibly dignified when faced with such absolute horror.

My thoughts are with them tonight.
 
They should give him his police belt back for his 1st week in his luxury cell and tell him to do everyone a favour like fred west did.
 
That poor lass, what she must ahem gone through, why would any woman now submit to being arrested by a lone policeman.

This guy was a firearms officer, tasked with Parliament protection. The lack of competence of profiling of someone allowed to carry weapons is beyond belief. Needs root and branch reform.
 
TSSeasider said:
No justice, no peace, fuck the police they chanted in her name.

Well the rest of the force did their job, the system did its job and he will die in prison. I hope before he does, he suffers.

The only ones who will never find peace are her family and unlike the rent a mob who abused Sarah's memory, they have been incredibly dignified when faced with such absolute horror.

My thoughts are with them tonight.
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My thoughts are absolutely with her poor family.

Can’t help feeling terribly sorry for his kids too. What a terribly traumatic time they must be going through realising that the man they know as dad is actually a hideously evil monster 😢
 
Lala said:
My thoughts are absolutely with her poor family.

Can’t help feeling terribly sorry for his kids too. What a terribly traumatic time they must be going through realising that the man they know as dad is actually a hideously evil monster 😢
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It must be impossible to process.

No idea how old his kids are; but as an adult I gave evidence against my own dad which saw him imprisoned for 18½ years. Although we share the same last name, that's all we share now.

I didn't find it difficult to disown him, I rarely think about him and my kids don't know he exists (although as they get older, questions are more difficult to bat away).

I hope they are able to do it, otherwise it will haunt then poor things.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I’m a Death Sentence Man myself so I won’t seek any agreement on here BUT the thing that often gets cited as to why you can’t have a death sentence is in case of an innocent person being hung.....surely you’d make an exception in this case?
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No, you can't, the law can't admit that a prosecution is more safe than another.

Also, why should he get off that easy, let him rot in fear.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No, you can't, the law can't admit that a prosecution is more safe than another.

Also, why should he get off that easy, let him rot in fear.
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I know it can’t....hence my slightly provocative question because we all KNOW he’s 100% guilty

I‘d let him stay in solitary for 12 months on minimum rations knowing all the while that he was going to be hung at the end of it, no last request, no final fancy meal....just taken out of Solitary...and Hung
 
The final injustice was that video where he attempted to blame it on a fictional gang of Romanians.
The last scintilla of humanity he could have kept would have been owning up and letting the family know what happened. Scum, hopefully someone finishes him off.
A different point but it's also an especially shit thing to happen at a time when people's trust in the police is low.
 
Lala said:
The latter is manslaughter isn’t it 🤔
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Yup. Manslaughter for a 'one punch' situation. Would be different if you could establish an intent to cause death or really serious harm. Typically a two year gaol sentence in these circs.
 
look.its.luke said:
The final injustice was that video where he attempted to blame it on a fictional gang of Romanians.
The last scintilla of humanity he could have kept would have been owning up and letting the family know what happened. Scum, hopefully someone finishes him off.
A different point but it's also an especially shit thing to happen at a time when people's trust in the police is low.
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He still hasn't confessed to what happened
He just pleaded guilty to avoid the trial
 
As others have said, this story knocked me sick to my stomach reading the details of what he did before and after to her, and can't imagine what her family are going through .
I'm not an advocate of capital punishment, but even the electric chair would be too good for him. Hopefully other prisoners have 'access' to him.
 
The only appropriate punishment for what he did is the death penalty.
Meanwhile the Police publish advice to females who are attacked in similar circumstances - shout, scream or dial 999!
When you're in park or quiet area that won't save you.
Yes the death penalty is a punishment that always attracts strongly differing opinions; however, what other deterrent is there to reduce the number of similar murders from occurring (Sarah, followed by the female PCSO & school teacher are 3 recent lone female murders) and would make the country a safer place for our mothers / wives / girlfriends / daughters and granddaughters?
There are some categories of murder, like this one, where there is no provocation and no doubt of guilt - they should attract the death penalty.
The despicable offence of rapeing a female should attract life in prison - when the Police & CPS occasionally bring a successful prosecution.
Only the harshest of sentences will deter (some) others from committing these evil offences - all the protests and well intended statements will make no difference whatsoever.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
The only appropriate punishment for what he did is the death penalty.
Meanwhile the Police publish advice to females who are attacked in similar circumstances - shout, scream or dial 999!
When you're in park or quiet area that won't save you.
Yes the death penalty is a punishment that always attracts strongly differing opinions; however, what other deterrent is there to reduce the number of similar murders from occurring (Sarah, followed by the female PCSO & school teacher are 3 recent lone female murders) and would make the country a safer place for our mothers / wives / girlfriends / daughters and granddaughters?
There are some categories of murder, like this one, where there is no provocation and no doubt of guilt - they should attract the death penalty.
The despicable offence of rapeing a female should attract life in prison - when the Police & CPS occasionally bring a successful prosecution.
Only the harshest of sentences will deter (some) others from committing these evil offences - all the protests and well intended statements will make no difference whatsoever.
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I don't think the death penalty would deter the type of person in this case - they're clearly warped and sadistic and not thinking of any repercussions, only want they want to do.
 
I think that the fact that he used his 'Police Persona' as a weapon to make her get in the car made a big difference in the sentence.
Hope he rots in Hell (inside).
 
Two points to make about this horrendous case.

1. The death penalty - I don't agree with it for a few reasons. Firstly, I actually think it's less of a punishment to many criminals as it's an easy way out, as opposed to being locked in a cell for 40+ years. Hence why many criminals have to be put on suicide watch. What should be the case is that for all of those years there are absolutely no creature comforts at all. Secondly, I hear people saying that we should have the death penalty for cases when there's conclusively no doubt whatsoever. The problem with that is that there is no differentiation in law between different levels of guilt, nor should there be. You are either guilty or not guilty, and the death penalty would and should apply to cases involving DNA evidence and when there's not, for example. If you say the death penalty can't be for convictions without DNA evidence (again, using that as an example), then you're saying there is doubt, and you can't convict someone if there is doubt.

2. One of the biggest underlying problems we have in this country is a deep-seated culture of victim blaming. Whenever anything happens like this, the narrative always turns to what the victim can do, how they can be more careful. Anyone else remember that appalling advert a few years ago about burglary which condescendingly told us all not to be stupid and make our homes accessible to would-be burglars? Sorry but if I leave my doors and windows wide open and go away for a week and get burgled, the blame still lies with the burglar. We accept this victim blaming and often don't even realise it's happening. You can see it right now with officials coming out with what women should do in that situation, and they should read up on their legal rights etc. etc.. Yet we've heard hardly anything on what action is going to be taken to stop people like Wayne Couzens being able to commit these shocking crimes. This whole mindset needs to completely change. If you are a victim of crime, it is literally never your fault, because you are not in control of the culprits actions. As a society we need more of a switch to this way of thinking, otherwise there will never be the will and determination to tackle the actual root cause.
 
BFC_53 said:
Two points to make about this horrendous case.

1. The death penalty - I don't agree with it for a few reasons. Firstly, I actually think it's less of a punishment to many criminals as it's an easy way out, as opposed to being locked in a cell for 40+ years. Hence why many criminals have to be put on suicide watch. What should be the case is that for all of those years there are absolutely no creature comforts at all. Secondly, I hear people saying that we should have the death penalty for cases when there's conclusively no doubt whatsoever. The problem with that is that there is no differentiation in law between different levels of guilt, nor should there be. You are either guilty or not guilty, and the death penalty would and should apply to cases involving DNA evidence and when there's not, for example. If you say the death penalty can't be for convictions without DNA evidence (again, using that as an example), then you're saying there is doubt, and you can't convict someone if there is doubt.

2. One of the biggest underlying problems we have in this country is a deep-seated culture of victim blaming. Whenever anything happens like this, the narrative always turns to what the victim can do, how they can be more careful. Anyone else remember that appalling advert a few years ago about burglary which condescendingly told us all not to be stupid and make our homes accessible to would-be burglars? Sorry but if I leave my doors and windows wide open and go away for a week and get burgled, the blame still lies with the burglar. We accept this victim blaming and often don't even realise it's happening. You can see it right now with officials coming out with what women should do in that situation, and they should read up on their legal rights etc. etc.. Yet we've heard hardly anything on what action is going to be taken to stop people like Wayne Couzens being able to commit these shocking crimes. This whole mindset needs to completely change. If you are a victim of crime, it is literally never your fault, because you are not in control of the culprits actions. As a society we need more of a switch to this way of thinking, otherwise there will never be the will and determination to tackle the actual root cause.
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Great post 👏
 
Wizaard said:
Had two suspected indecent exposure incidents that weren't followed up.
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The actions of this sicko won’t make me lose faith in the police. Just like the likes of Harold Shipman these abominations can’t be legislated for. What does really worry me though is reading the quote on the BBC that the police will now take allegations of indecent exposure more seriously in future. What was it before? A bit of a laugh? How can they possibly justify not following up a report especially against a serving police officer. Or was it because of that?
 
It’s a difficult one re the police and safe streets for females.

I’m not normally one to be scared going about my business but after returning home from babysitting my granddaughter at about midnight last night I was really aware and conscious of how safe my steps from my car to my front door would be 😞

This is no doubt because of the recent horrible crimes where females have been mindlessly and randomly killed on the street, or in this case taken from the street and killed.

I can’t expect the police to be sat guarding my house and movements 24/7.

So what is the answer ?

Monsters like this exist and aren’t always detectable until the worst happens 😩
 
BFC_53 said:
Two points to make about this horrendous case.

1. The death penalty - I don't agree with it for a few reasons. Firstly, I actually think it's less of a punishment to many criminals as it's an easy way out, as opposed to being locked in a cell for 40+ years. Hence why many criminals have to be put on suicide watch. What should be the case is that for all of those years there are absolutely no creature comforts at all. Secondly, I hear people saying that we should have the death penalty for cases when there's conclusively no doubt whatsoever. The problem with that is that there is no differentiation in law between different levels of guilt, nor should there be. You are either guilty or not guilty, and the death penalty would and should apply to cases involving DNA evidence and when there's not, for example. If you say the death penalty can't be for convictions without DNA evidence (again, using that as an example), then you're saying there is doubt, and you can't convict someone if there is doubt.

2. One of the biggest underlying problems we have in this country is a deep-seated culture of victim blaming. Whenever anything happens like this, the narrative always turns to what the victim can do, how they can be more careful. Anyone else remember that appalling advert a few years ago about burglary which condescendingly told us all not to be stupid and make our homes accessible to would-be burglars? Sorry but if I leave my doors and windows wide open and go away for a week and get burgled, the blame still lies with the burglar. We accept this victim blaming and often don't even realise it's happening. You can see it right now with officials coming out with what women should do in that situation, and they should read up on their legal rights etc. etc.. Yet we've heard hardly anything on what action is going to be taken to stop people like Wayne Couzens being able to commit these shocking crimes. This whole mindset needs to completely change. If you are a victim of crime, it is literally never your fault, because you are not in control of the culprits actions. As a society we need more of a switch to this way of thinking, otherwise there will never be the will and determination to tackle the actual root cause.
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All good common sense stuff. I would add that if the death penalty were in force juries would be hugely unlikely to convict and more murderers would walk free
 
LaLa, I heard someone on Tv have this analogy which I thought was very good.

Couzens wasnt a Policeman who was a murderer, he was a Murderer that happened to be a Policeman.

Im sure there will be posters who vehemently disagree, but as an ex-Plod I can see the reasoning. 99.9% of Coppers would have every best intention of keeping ladies safe. Every walk of life has 'bad apples' and this piece of scummy detritus was one.It should be a God given right that females should be able to walk anywhere and at any time safely, but unfortunately History proves otherwise.
 
Since1967 said:
All good common sense stuff. I would add that if the death penalty were in force juries would be hugely unlikely to convict and more murderers would walk free
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Good points Mick, but I would make exceptions for scum like Ian Huntley, West,Sutcliffe and Brady.

( I appreciate the latter three are dead now)
 
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