Well done Rachel!

Wizaard said:
Pubs in our village close at 9.00 because there's no one in them. People go out for a meal then go home.
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Not the case everywhere, and beware my prediction that a pint will be £5 soon, although I paid £6 recently in Manchester.
 
Curryman said:
Not the case everywhere, and beware my prediction that a pint will be £5 soon, although I paid £6 recently in Manchester.
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The centre of Manchester is one of those booming cosmopolitan areas where well-off people go to play and ordinary people get fleeced. The same is true of London, probably Edinburgh and probably Leeds.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The centre of Manchester is one of those booming cosmopolitan areas where well-off people go to play and ordinary people get fleeced. The same is true of London, probably Edinburgh and probably Leeds.
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so if you're well off you're not considered to be an ordinary person? What a strange concept you have! Do you not want the places you mention to be booming? Jeez, seems you don't want people to enjoy themselves. Very sad!
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
The centre of Manchester is one of those booming cosmopolitan areas where well-off people go to play and ordinary people get fleeced. The same is true of London, probably Edinburgh and probably Leeds.
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I must be an ordinary person then. I hasten to add After the fleecing I went to Weatherspoons for dinner and a pint or two via a music shop where I played the piano outside the shop hoping for a bob or two but got nowt apart from a crowd. Poor sods.
 
Youngsters are more interested in gyms and going occasionally to a late night club at a weekend.
Middle age lot seem to prefer a restaurant and taxi home.

Seems to me a demand not cost issue?

The number of leisure centres, gyms and spas in the country has accelerated exponentially in the past 5 years. Online content is mainly about beauty, health and ambition - very little showing people on the lash. It's just where we are now as a society - pubs are less popular for night time now - however look how busy they are at lunch time at the weekend.
 
Chunkylad said:
The number of leisure centres, gyms and spas in the country has accelerated exponentially in the past 5 years. Online content is mainly about beauty, health and ambition - very little showing people on the lash. It's just where we are now as a society - pubs are less popular for night time now - however look how busy they are at lunch time at the weekend.
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Perfectly true Chunks. Chesterfield being a Mining Town used to have one of the most vibrant night lives in the Country and pubs were always jammed even during the week. Now its very European with a large 'Cafe Culture' and the Town not used for shopping but predominantly for socialising with a friend (surprisingly I do have them), a coffee and pastries. The only pubs that have survived have had to diversify and evolve by offering both excellent beer and food.
Needless to say the largest and most popular pub in the town is a Spoonies.
 
Curryman said:
I must be an ordinary person then. I hasten to add After the fleecing I went to Weatherspoons for dinner and a pint or two via a music shop where I played the piano outside the shop hoping for a bob or two but got nowt apart from a crowd. Poor sods.
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Chopin?
 
glasshalffull said:
Yep not looking good, business confidence dipped again as well. Can only hope it’s not as bad as it feels like it’s going to be.
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Unfortunately, I think it’s going to get a lot worse, businesses will continue to make cuts and/or raise prices, some will fail and unemployment will rise.
 
What a non story if they had punters in spending they'd stay open.
I think Boxing Day after Wrexham away was the last time I was in a pub after 9 it rarely happens.

Times have changed and boozers need to, this opening 11-11 is dead in the water just open when you need to not to appease old Burt and his mate Stan.
 
poolseasider said:
What a non story if they had punters in spending they'd stay open.
I think Boxing Day after Wrexham away was the last time I was in a pub after 9 it rarely happens.

Times have changed and boozers need to, this opening 11-11 is dead on the water just open when you need to not to appease old Burt and his mate Stan.
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Yep, having run pubs I know full well the difficulty with the public perception now, that pubs open all day and night. It’s time they look at patterns and open for the busy periods.
 
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It's idiotic to make this political.

You might as well say "well done Rachael for increasing spas, coffee shops, protein suppliers ans bottox clinics.

It's just the cycle of a free market economy- tastes change. I've noticed that milners are too popular these days too?
 
Chunkylad said:
It's idiotic to make this political.

You might as well say "well done Rachael for increasing spas, coffee shops, protein suppliers ans bottox clinics.

It's just the cycle of a free market economy- tastes change. I've noticed that milners are too popular these days too?
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Are there any cobblers, haberdasheries or drapers stores near me? No. Damn you Reeves.
 
Well, Well, Well, the response to this story is what I expected, some larger businesses closing, pubs closing early, small businesses in general struggling and closing, and in a lot of cases the increase in NI with the starting rate reduced, the increase in business rates and the upping of the basic minimum wage have nothing at all to do with it.

Why does it not surprise me?

Sorry I forgot she did promise 1p off a pint, unbelievable.
 
Curryman said:
Well, Well, Well, the response to this story is what I expected, some larger businesses closing, pubs closing early, small businesses in general struggling and closing, and in a lot of cases the increase in NI with the starting rate reduced, the increase in business rates and the upping of the basic minimum wage have nothing at all to do with it.

Why does it not surprise me?

Sorry I forgot she did promise 1p off a pint, unbelievable.
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Meanwhile in less than a 15 minute walk from my front door I can get a Takeaway from about 20 venues they don't seem to be affected.

Pubs are dead move on it's all about food nowadays and had been for a long time.

That's where the argument about closures falls on it's arse, when I first started going out there was hardly anywhere to eat now there's hundreds of places and more are opening all the time.
 
Sven said:
Maybe the pubs could stay open longer if you supported locally owned businesses rather than going to Spoons.
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The problem is the prices in most "locals" are dictated by greedy breweries. Also the cost of alcohol from supermarkets v pubs is a gaping chasm.

'Spoons fills the gap in-between where folk can go out to eat and drink for a reasonable price. A very clever model whether you like them or loathe them.
 
Pub food these days is a rip off like the beer.

Just been out for lunch in a pub in Bowness with the wife and Grandson £21.99 for a burger and chips £10.99 for a child’s meal. 😯

I was driving so had a pint of Diet Coke £4:50. 🤯

Spent over £67 on just 2 adults meals and a childs meal plus just one round of drinks.

Feckin joke no wonder pubs are closing. 😡
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Pub food these days is a rip off like the beer.

Just been out for lunch in a pub in Bowness with the wife and Grandson £21.99 for a burger and chips £10.99 for a child’s meal.
I was driving so had a pint of Diet Coke £4:50.

Spent over £67 on just 2 adults meals and a childs meal plus just one round of drinks.

Feckin joke.
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I think it’s the cost of all the peripherals like the energy cost increases and the increase in food prices.
I’ve just paid 40+ for a lasagne, and a burger and chips and 2 soft drinks in Blackpool for me and my granddaughter. 5 years or so ago that would have been around 25 quid.
But, we’ve had inflation at 10% at times during those 5 years, so I guess this is what happens.
 
Chunkylad said:
It's idiotic to make this political.

You might as well say "well done Rachael for increasing spas, coffee shops, protein suppliers ans bottox clinics.

It's just the cycle of a free market economy- tastes change. I've noticed that milners are too popular these days too?
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It's not just the hospitality sector that's struggling since the Autumn budget
 
Chunkylad said:
It's idiotic to make this political.

You might as well say "well done Rachael for increasing spas, coffee shops, protein suppliers ans bottox clinics.

It's just the cycle of a free market economy- tastes change. I've noticed that milners are too popular these days too?
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If it were the Tories in power then yes plenty on here would have made it political. I agree that social life is changing when it comes to pubs and pub culture but no matter what it seems pretty obvious that RR's budget has done nothing to help businesses.
 
Wizaard said:
Can you define well-off?
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Joking aside, I'm really referencing the fact that the old boozers - which, in Manchester, used to be dead cheap - are now pricing out ordinary people. Yes, I can afford to go on a crawl around Central Manchester pubs but only as a one off. I couldn't cope with those prices on a regular basis.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Joking aside, I'm really referencing the fact that the old boozers - which, in Manchester, used to be dead cheap - are now pricing out ordinary people. Yes, I can afford to go on a crawl around Central Manchester pubs but only as a one off. I couldn't cope with those prices on a regular basis.
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Over the last few weeks I've been out most nights in Scotland. Edinburgh, St Andrews, Stirling and Carnoustie. Didn't get a pint below £5 and most over £6. Not fancy bars either.
 
Wizaard said:
Over the last few weeks I've been out most nights in Scotland. Edinburgh, St Andrews, Stirling and Carnoustie. Didn't get a pint below £5 and most over £6. Not fancy bars either.
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My point exactly. That said, Edinburgh pubs will always survive. Stirling I know well and can understand that as well. Get into the likes of Methil, Cowdenbeath and Cupar and I reckon they'll be struggling.
 
Wizaard said:
Over the last few weeks I've been out most nights in Scotland. Edinburgh, St Andrews, Stirling and Carnoustie. Didn't get a pint below £5 and most over £6. Not fancy bars either.
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but clearly according to 66 you must be a well off and not an ordinary person if you can go drinking[and playing golf] in those places.
 
poolseasider said:
Meanwhile in less than a 15 minute walk from my front door I can get a Takeaway from about 20 venues they don't seem to be affected.

Pubs are dead move on it's all about food nowadays and had been for a long time.

That's where the argument about closures falls on it's arse, when I first started going out there was hardly anywhere to eat now there's hundreds of places and more are opening all the time.
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are you perhaps only thinking of the traditional pub. On the Fylde there's been plenty of micro pubs and bars that have opened up over the last few years. Cleveleys has never had it so good.
 
Drinking out is now a bit of a different landscape to years ago. It’s evolved, like most things.
Us girls were happy with half a lager top, or, as you matured , a dry white wine and soda years ago. Now they are paying £10 a pop for a cocktail, and they are willing to pay it.
We talk about hard times and poverty now, but the reality is we have much more disposable income than years ago, we just have many more non essential products in our budgets.
Let’s face it, we’ll pay in excess of £4.00 for a take out coffee, and that is happening no matter how ‘well off’ you’re deemed.
 
Lala said:
Drinking out is now a bit of a different landscape to years ago. It’s evolved, like most things.
Us girls were happy with half a lager top, or, as you matured , a dry white wine and soda years ago. Now they are paying £10 a pop for a cocktail, and they are willing to pay it.
We talk about hard times and poverty now, but the reality is we have much more disposable income than years ago, we just have many more non essential products in our budgets.
Let’s face it, we’ll pay in excess of £4.00 for a take out coffee, and that is happening no matter how ‘well off’ you’re deemed.
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yep, great point about take away coffees. Pretty much any of the coffee chains you go in you have to queue for a while.

That said, i really don't do them myself. Think i can count on one hand the amount i've done in the last ten years or so. Not one for sitting in them either. Have my usual tuesday morning coffee club with a gang of mates[ 12 of us] every week and that's about it.
 
20togo said:
yep, great point about take away coffees. Pretty much any of the coffee chains you go in you have to queue for a while.

That said, i really don't do them myself. Think i can count on one hand the amount i've done in the last ten years or so. Not one for sitting in them either. Have my usual tuesday morning coffee club with a gang of mates[ 12 of us] every week and that's about it.
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You do right 20’s, don’t get sucked into the hype of paying these prices, as it soon becomes the norm.
Costa Devonshire Rd is full of mothers and kids in the morning, a school
run pitstop that must be costing each mum of 3 well over 20 quid !

Imagine that years ago !! Beyond luxury. We ate out once a year as kids, if we were lucky, and that would be on our birthday at a Beefeater !
 
Figures for last month show a fall in the total numbers employed in the economy by 78000 and a fall in the total number of vacancies to that experienced in the Covid pandemic. And this was before the new business taxes and other additional costs kicked in.
 
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