When do we start protesting against Downed and Winter?

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FY4Representer

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Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
 
FY4Representer said:
Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
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You need to get a life, your threads are getting worse every time you post, i am going to be polite and call you an idiot.
 
FY4Representer said:
Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
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I don’t think we need to be protesting but Sadler does need to get rid of Downes. The guy is completely clueless and unable to sign decent players or build a team.
 
I still believe that the rot started when we sold Grimshaw and had no replacement keeper lined up. We need a permanent keeper and that is down to the recruitment team. None of the recent signings seem happy all look miserable. Relegation seems nailed on to me and this lot couldn't cope in League 2. Really is an almighty shambles.
 
I imagine Simon will see the season through and will take action towards the end of it.

If Jan sees a major turnaround either through loans or fitness then Downes will be shown to be a success but just unlucky this season.

I don't suspect that'll be the case. I do see a turnaround but not commensurate with the spend. Simon needs an ROI.
 
Protest? For being a bit shít?

Er, this side of never.

I do worry Sadler is being distracted by his equine interests, but ultimately, it’s his choice when to act on Downes & Winter. Chances are, even if they do go, Sadler will replace them with an identikit version, making the same mistakes. We need a wholesale review of our strategy and working practices.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Protest? For being a bit shít?

Er, this side of never.

I do worry Sadler is being distracted by his equine interests, but ultimately, it’s his choice when to act on Downes & Winter. Chances are, even if they do go, Sadler will replace them with an identikit version, making the same mistakes. We need a wholesale review of our strategy and working practices.
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Downes is probably his main advisor on.all matters including mànager recruitment and depends on him. You think he would realise Downes has.been letting him down big time.
Not sure how motivated Sadler is to fundamentally chànge things at this point.
 
Chunkylad said:
I imagine Simon will see the season through and will take action towards the end of it.

If Jan sees a major turnaround either through loans or fitness then Downes will be shown to be a success but just unlucky this season.

I don't suspect that'll be the case. I do see a turnaround but not commensurate with the spend. Simon needs an ROI.
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We havent recruited any talented energetic young players we càn develop or sell on..Instead adopted the bizarre policy of giviing long contracts ôn big salaries to players we cant easily get rid of.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Protest? For being a bit shít?

Er, this side of never.

I do worry Sadler is being distracted by his equine interests, but ultimately, it’s his choice when to act on Downes & Winter. Chances are, even if they do go, Sadler will replace them with an identikit version, making the same mistakes. We need a wholesale review of our strategy and working practices.
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For me it's quite simple and has been clear fro some seasons that SS needs football man in the boardroom area, one who has been there, t-shirt shit etc, not an Excel expert. He also needs a Club sec, or a bit higher who will do all the admin side inc pre-negotiations with players and agents.

Then the 3 can sit down and develop some sort of notion of where the club is heading, not just short term, but for the youth set up, style of what they want from a team and set up a scouting network that works.

It seems to me that there been a serious air of the Club not knowing what it wants and after signing 'good' players it doesn't know why they have been signed and what purpose for.

Recruitment seems to be set around individuals as oppose to around a team's needs.

We all know that two 6/10 players who work together are far more effective than two 8/10 players who are strangers. The frustrating thing for us is we do have those 8/10 players.
 
Sadler doesn't suffer fools gladly. I'd be amazed if he hasn't had strong words with them. If not, he should. At the very least he should be looking at clubs who are out performing us in the transfer market with less funds. Simon can't continue to chuck millions down the pan on duffers like Ihiekwe, Horsfall, Evans, Ravizzoli, etc without doing something. I'd have binned them off weeks ago, along with Bruce.
 
Always tangerine said:
We havent recruited any talented energetic young players we càn develop or sell on..Instead adopted the bizarre policy of giviing long contracts ôn big salaries to players we cant easily get rid of.
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Not sure about that Taylor(21)was supposed to be the next Joseph(time will tell), Brown(24), Ennis and Bowler(26) have all years in the tank and potentially if they were fit and a stella season earn us some coin.
 
People keep calling for the head of Downes, but what do they know about the recruitment process of any football club? I don’t think for one minute that David Downes just picks players and says to the manager, there you go, that’s your squad. I do however believe that Mr Downes has a database of players . The manager will ask Mr Downes if he can get him a certain type , to fit in his way of thinking. The recruitment team will then look through this said database for what the manager has asked for and possibly present him with a list. I would imagine the Manager would then choose who he wants, so to blame David Downes for this is absolutely ridiculous.
 
"I want the best lads not the best players. The best lads will move you in the right direction."
Pete Wild

Seemed to work for us in the past - all the way to The Prem.
 
NewburyOne said:
Sadler doesn't suffer fools gladly. I'd be amazed if he hasn't had strong words with them. If not, he should. At the very least he should be looking at clubs who are out performing us in the transfer market with less funds. Simon can't continue to chuck millions down the pan on duffers like Ihiekwe, Horsfall, Evans, Ravizzoli, etc without doing something. I'd have binned them off weeks ago, along with Bruce.
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He must suffer fools though. His background is one of analysis, so he must see where the problems lie, yet he continues to give them a free reign.

Why? That's what I can't work out.
 
fcblackpool said:
He must suffer fools though. His background is one of analysis, so he must see where the problems lie, yet he continues to give them a free reign.

Why? That's what I can't work out.
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It's a puzzle, he's seen as a ruthless in the investments business. He's not been scared of making bold appointments, nor firing them. As I say, I'd be amazed if he isn't planning to make some changes.
 
NewburyOne said:
It's a puzzle, he's seen as a ruthless in the investments business. He's not been scared of making bold appointments, nor firing them. As I say, I'd be amazed if he isn't planning to make some changes.
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I hope you are right and at some point it will happen, but why not yet? I can't work that out. It just seems the polar opposite to how you'd think SS would deal with it.
 
Always tangerine said:
We havent recruited any talented energetic young players we càn develop or sell on..Instead adopted the bizarre policy of giviing long contracts ôn big salaries to players we cant easily get rid of.
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100%

Baffling approach to everyone here, however they were convinced that going with battle hardened veterans from this level and the one above, was how you get promoted?

It's an expensive gamble to get promoted with no upside for player sell on. Even if Ihekwe, Honeyman and Horsfall got us up, there was no selling option in reality when we reached the Championship so you'd have written their costs off.
 
FY4Representer said:
Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
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FY4Representer said:
Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
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FY4Representer said:
Recruitment has been terrible for the past 3 years. Sadler threw money at this summer and did exactly what we asked of him, yet we’re quite possibly the worst side in the entire EFL right now. Bruce rightly got binned off, and yet I hear very little on here from people against Downes and Winter.

The pair of them should do the honourable thing and resign immediately. We all know they won’t, but this is farcical now. Harrogate can barely muster shots on target against most teams in league two, and yet we ship 4 goals to them. What an embarrassment. Those two idiots at the top are next in line after Bruce, and if they don’t resign, Sadler has to get rid. And if he doesn’t, what do we as fans do about it to force his hand? Does anyone even have the fight in them for something like this?
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fcblackpool said:
He must suffer fools though. His background is one of analysis, so he must see where the problems lie, yet he continues to give them a free reign.

Why? That's what I can't work out.
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Maybe Simons product is making a bob or two.
So he might think they are doing a good job.
Is Simon bothered,does he go to the games .
 
Steve Birch said:
People keep calling for the head of Downes, but what do they know about the recruitment process of any football club? I don’t think for one minute that David Downes just picks players and says to the manager, there you go, that’s your squad. I do however believe that Mr Downes has a database of players . The manager will ask Mr Downes if he can get him a certain type , to fit in his way of thinking. The recruitment team will then look through this said database for what the manager has asked for and possibly present him with a list. I would imagine the Manager would then choose who he wants, so to blame David Downes for this is absolutely ridiculous.
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Whatever you do Steve don't start critical thinking on here, it won't catch on.

It's amazing how many on here seem to have a clear idea of what Downes does at BFC. Amazing really. Not to mention the general agreement before a ball was kicked that our recruitment had been excellent this summer.

Anyway, try just spouting shyte with no basis in actual fact if you want to be noticed on here mate.
 
SirHarryThomson said:
I still believe that the rot started when we sold Grimshaw and had no replacement keeper lined up. We need a permanent keeper and that is down to the recruitment team. None of the recent signings seem happy all look miserable. Relegation seems nailed on to me and this lot couldn't cope in League 2. Really is an almighty shambles.
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So a NI international and a keeper that was playing at the top of our division didn't look good at the time. I think you will find most on here would have signed them with their backgrounds. Yet most on here can't see the future so they blame others for not seeing the future.
 
Always tangerine said:
We havent recruited any talented energetic young players we càn develop or sell on..Instead adopted the bizarre policy of giviing long contracts ôn big salaries to players we cant easily get rid of.
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Yes that was Simon's original ethos
Evatt has also stated that young players let go by City, United, Liverpool should be targeted.
Some promising youth players in our own set up may be given game time this season, both Dobbs and Crainey have a few years in youth football, so hopeful they will do some scouting as part of their roles
 
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