When you have a corrupt Government!

gjr69 said:
Not with the system we have now, 60% can vote across a good number of parties, the Torys maintain their solid 40% concentrated vote and with first past the post they win.
The system is a throwback to the days of the local squire being the MP, I think most western democracies employ some form of PR these days.
A government formed from the best people in all the parties would create a more united country where the people might get something closer to what they want.
I'd seriously take a look at the world of Lobbying as well if we truly want government to represent the nation and not be too heavily influenced by multinational companies and billionaires.
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gjr69

As I said to South Shore, I'm not interested in the AVFTT lefties quest for political reform.

I hear all you say but Boris/the Conservatives were able to form a Government - a massive majority in the house - because not everybody did want "shut of this lot".

If the electorate is of the opinion that there is a better alternative when it comes to the next GE, we will have a change of Government.

I'm just not sure that the opinions of those on here are as influential as some might think.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
If the majority do want "shut of this lot" then you won't have to do anything, they will get voted out.
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Not necessarily. The Boundary Commission has been amending a lot of constituencies to equalise the numbers but its odd how often the balance shifts towards blue.

Statistically, the current landslide was gained with far less than half the votes cast.
 
Wizaard said:
Not necessarily. The Boundary Commission has been amending a lot of constituencies to equalise the numbers but its odd how often the balance shifts towards blue.

Statistically, the current landslide was gained with far less than half the votes cast.
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Wiz

You wouldn't be moaning about first past the post if Labour were in power and you'd be moaning about the influence of other parties if there was PR.

If the country wants an alternative Government, they will get one without us having to talk about boundaries and percentages.

To be honest, I'd rather have you running the country than Cat, if you are successful with a leadership challenge I promise you my vote.
 
southshorepool said:
Just a quick look at the results in numbers voting for each political party tells you that this country is evenly split between centre right and centre left, so all this triumphant bollocks about being a Conservative country is exactly that...bollocks. The issue is that if you are centre right, there is one party that represents your views. Centre left and there's 3. There will have to be a coalition next election and deals done in various constituencies if we are to get shut if this lot.
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Not sure about the centre right having a party that presents them. I suspect there are many long term Tories who hold their noses as they put their cross on the ballot paper.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
gjr69

As I said to South Shore, I'm not interested in the AVFTT lefties quest for political reform.

I hear all you say but Boris/the Conservatives were able to form a Government - a massive majority in the house - because not everybody did want "shut of this lot".

If the electorate is of the opinion that there is a better alternative when it comes to the next GE, we will have a change of Government.

I'm just not sure that the opinions of those on here are as influential as some might think.
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The opinions of people here aren't very influential at all and electoral reform won't be happening any time soon as it won't benefit the ruling centre right party.
So rest easy 2020 the Conservatives will be ruling for the next 10 years at least would be my guess. Assuming that's what you prefer.
 
gjr69 said:
The opinions of people here aren't very influential at all and electoral reform won't be happening any time soon as it won't benefit the ruling centre right party.
So rest easy 2020 the Conservatives will be ruling for the next 10 years at least would be my guess. Assuming that's what you prefer.
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gjr69

I've only voted at one GE in my life and I voted for Andy Higgins.

My life will be just as bad no matter who is in power !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
gjr69

I've only voted at one GE in my life and I voted for Andy Higgins.

My life will be just as bad no matter who is in power !!!!!!!!!!!!
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PR might have given him a slim chance of achieving something, first past the post ultimately means a waste of time and effort for anybody except the big hitters.
This isn't a left or right thing for me its just about having a system that fully represents the votes of the nation.
Continual Labour vote would be just as unhealthy as the Conservatives being in power for decades.
Agree with you under the current system doesn't matter to most of us if we vote or not our lives won't change.
 
gjr69 said:
The opinions of people here aren't very influential at all and electoral reform won't be happening any time soon as it won't benefit the ruling centre right party.
So rest easy 2020 the Conservatives will be ruling for the next 10 years at least would be my guess. Assuming that's what you prefer.
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Things can turn very quickly. I would hold that certainty if I were you.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
gjr69

I've only voted at one GE in my life and I voted for Andy Higgins.

My life will be just as bad no matter who is in power !!!!!!!!!!!!
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One vote achieved nothing. A million votes achieves everything. Don't feel downhearted just because you don't see the big picture. The MPs do see the big picture and it can frighten them to death.
 
gjr69 said:
PR might have given him a slim chance of achieving something, first past the post ultimately means a waste of time and effort for anybody except the big hitters.
This isn't a left or right thing for me its just about having a system that fully represents the votes of the nation.
Continual Labour vote would be just as unhealthy as the Conservatives being in power for decades.
Agree with you under the current system doesn't matter to most of us if we vote or not our lives won't change.
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gj

To be honest, I'm not sure that any reform would have given Andy any influence !!!!!!!

Saying that you make fair points re political reform and apologies if my previous responses to you were too short.

There are positives and negatives of PR but I do find that moaning about the controlling party receiving less than 50% of the vote at a GE is usually just a gripe of those who aren't happy with the controlling party.

I know my not voting is a very lazy attitude but they only give me one vote and there haven't been many recounts in Blackpool South.

Again, I apologise for my flippant responses gj.
 
catinstalbans said:
The world behaves accordingly.

edition.cnn.com

Analysis: Why would anyone trust Brexit Britain again?

Just seven months after singing its praises, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is attempting to rewrite the Brexit deal he signed with the European Union.
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com
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The article in the OP is just uneducated propaganda. Any action the government takes in relation to the Northern Ireland protocol is provided for in the agreement, does not make the government corrupt and will not undermine Britain's credibility as a trustworthy trading partner.
 
Chunkylad said:
Genuinely no idea at all?

I remember Corbyns sound bites around free broadband and sitting on the fence on Brexit but beyond that nothing. I’ve said it so many times on here this year, with the current government being a total clusterfuck how on Earth are Labour so insignificant?
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obviously you didn't read Corbyn/Labour manifesto, to many 'Murdoch educated' people on here.
 
kuriousoranj said:
obviously you didn't read Corbyn/Labour manifesto, to many 'Murdoch educated' people on here.
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Correct I don’t think I put the time aside to read each party’s manifestos- did you?

I purely watched news channels like BBC and Sky news, plus read Avftt.
I have no stand out memories of Labours manifesto policies.

I am assuming with you reading the manifesto for each party you have a far superior knowledge to the rest of us?
 
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