Phil_bfc deux
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He came from a privileged public school upbringing didn't he?He was a rising star in the NF when I had the misfortune to know him.
Now lives in Wales ironically where there is a growing nationalist movement
He came from a privileged public school upbringing didn't he?He was a rising star in the NF when I had the misfortune to know him.
I don't think he was a poor working class lad, but he was two years ahead of me at college and I only ever saw him in the law library. His profile in college was negligible.He came from a privileged public school upbringing didn't he?
Now lives in Wales ironically
I don't think your analysis is particularly informed either.Good question Phil.
Far right / far left ; they are just labels, and shorthand to describe people who have extreme views at either end of the politics spectrum. Usually about social issues, in my experience, like sexuality, religion, race, freedom of speech etc.
In power, there is very little difference between the two in terms of what they do. And their attitudes are borne out of a mixture of upbringing, ignorance, low self-esteem and innate social conservatism about everyone and everything that doesn't fit the prism that they view life through. In my opinion.
That doesn't surprise me given you appear to struggle to hear any view point that doesn't match your ownI don't think your analysis is particularly informed either.
I honestly don't think the political landscape has ever been more confusedGood question Phil. In the OP, I mean.
Far right / far left ; they are just labels, and shorthand to describe people who have extreme views at either end of the politics spectrum. Usually about social issues, in my experience, like sexuality, religion, race, freedom of speech etc.
In power, there is very little difference between the two in terms of what they do. And their attitudes are borne out of a mixture of upbringing, ignorance, low self-esteem and innate social conservatism about everyone and everything that doesn't fit the prism that they view life through. In my opinion.
As I said, it was on Talk TV. You can see the interview that is quoted in the article.Ah the Guardian
There is a world of difference between having a political viewpoint and understanding the main themes of political thought.That doesn't surprise me given you appear to struggle to hear any view point that doesn't match your own
Can you just clarify for me how 'they' come here to claim all the benefits, yet somehow take all the jobs as well. It doesn't add up.The overriding culture in this country in the last decade or so, is to support anyone who doesn’t work, has different values and beliefs to our historical values and beliefs, decides to come here illegally, commits crimes because they don’t have any money, which is because they don’t work.
Call me right wing then, but I worked hard all my life trying to improve myself and my family and I’ve never been on benefits even though I could have done at times.
Where did he say they take all the jobs?Can you just clarify for me how 'they' come here to claim all the benefits, yet somehow take all the jobs as well. It doesn't add up.
To clarify, my post wasn’t clear, for which I apologise, I’m talking about those claiming benefits whether they are home grown or not. I have seen many over the years who could work, but claim benefits.Can you just clarify for me how 'they' come here to claim all the benefits, yet somehow take all the jobs as well. It doesn't add up.
It's a generalisation spouted by many.Where did he say they take all the jobs?
You're not getting to me @Phil_bfc deux . Even so, that's why I haven't made a substantive contribution to this thread.There is a world of difference between having a political viewpoint and understanding the main themes of political thought.
But he didn't say something you are accusing him of sayingIt's a generalisation spouted by many.
It's a myth that immigrants claim benefits as well. They fail the habitual residence test that means you have to be here two years before you can claim anything.
And while we're clarifying terms, can anyone explain to me why Brits abroad are ex-pats and not immigrants, going over there taking jobs off the locals?
I'm not accusing him of anything. I'm moving on the conversation to a further aspect.But he didn't say something you are accusing him of saying
To be honest i would rather you didn't waste your time contributing to this thread as its pointless having a debate with someone like you who just won't take anything on board that other people sayYour not getting to me @Phil_bfc deux . Even so, that's why I haven't made a substantive contribution to this thread.
Yes you are its above on post 60 where you are asking him to clarify something he didn't sayI'm not accusing him of anything. I'm moving on the conversation to a further aspect.
If you read it properly it's not aimed at him, just asking for clarification in general.Yes you are its above on post 60 where you are asking him to clarify something he didn't say
Clarification on a point that hasn't been raised by anybody but you doesn't make any senseIf you read it properly it's not aimed at him, just asking for clarification in general.
Whatever.Clarification on a point that hasn't been raised doesn't make any sense
Just admit you are wrong as you are looking rather foolish nowWhatever.
Ask yourself, have you ever read on here or elsewhere that immigrants come here taking our jobs?Just admit you are wrong as you are looking rather foolish now
An expat is someone who generally intends to return home permanently at some point, an immigrant generally doesn’t.It's a generalisation spouted by many.
It's a myth that immigrants claim benefits as well. They fail the habitual residence test that means you have to be here two years before you can claim anything.
And while we're clarifying terms, can anyone explain to me why Brits abroad are ex-pats and not immigrants, going over there taking jobs off the locals?
Maybe i have but nobody has raised that point on this thread but you and you are asking for somebody else to clarify itAsk yourself, have you ever read on here or elsewhere that immigrants come here taking our jobs?
How does that square with them all being on benefits?
It's a simple question.
Again, whatever. Since when was logic king on here.Maybe i have but nobody has raised that point on this thread but you and you are asking for somebody else to clarify it
It doesn't make any logical sense
Yet literally millions do come here to work or study then go home. We still call them immigrants.An expat is someone who generally intends to return home permanently at some point, an immigrant generally doesn’t.
No I don't, the point is irrelevant as i didn't make it nor did the other poster who you are asking to clarifyAgain, whatever. Since when was logic king on here.
I've raised a point. Care to answer it?
I'm out. You've bored me to sleep.No I don't, the point is irrelevant as i didn't make it nor did the other poster who you are asking to clarify
How can somebody clarify a point that they didn't even make?
Thank god for that, maybe you will think twice before posting such ridiculous thingsI'm out. You've bored me to sleep.
That’s an easy one, it’s racial.And while we're clarifying terms, can anyone explain to me why Brits abroad are ex-pats and not immigrants, going over there taking jobs off the locals?
Does it really matter what words are used for people who come to live in a different country?That’s an easy one, it’s racial.
I’m an expat in Sweden because simply because I’m Caucasian. I play football with lads from Turkey, Afghanistan and North Africa and they’re classed as immigrants.
It doesn’t matter if they have more useful jobs or speak better Swedish than me either.
It’s bollocks, frankly.
You asked what the difference was - that’s the difference.Yet literally millions do come here to work or study then go home. We still call them immigrants.
Yes.Does it really matter what words are used for people who come to live in a different country?
I actually thought ex pat as in expatriate means that the person gives up their nationality where an immigrant doesn't
Officially and by dictionary definition I am an immigrant but I am never called an immigrant because of the negative connotations associated with the word.Does it really matter what words are used for people who come to live in a different country?
I actually thought ex pat as in expatriate means that the person gives up their nationality for a short period of time where an immigrant doesn't yet wants to live more permanently
Will have to have a look at what the United Nations migration dept says
I'm pretty sure it has fcuk all to do with being racial though
MacTommy Robinson is your starter for 10.
Is it Nick Griffin too?
Suella Braverman?
30p Lee?
migght see one in SAINSBURYS in the dairy isle. think its meant to be some sort of leftie. like me.Who/what is a yoghurt knitter?
That isn't far rightThe far right are easy to spot they're basically the people incapable of working with others either nationally or internationally, also incapable of co-operation. They have failed to adjust to the fact we don't have an empire anymore and claim the country has has gone to the dogs while boasting we're the greatest country in the world. How they cope with the cognitive dissonance I really don't know. On economics they are generally clueless as to how a modern economy works, push policies that only suit the uber rich and everything is a zero sum game. I'll stop there before I write a book.
From what I’ve been told he’s the one person who shouldn’t get into a dick waving contest.Where's Dick Waving when you need him?
You're halfway there Mates but language matters.The fact is that illegal immigration is a huge problem for this country, in terms of cost, healthcare, schools etc, and the key word her is “illegal”. The general consensus is that the vast majority are economic migrants and mostly young men seeking a better life. Can’t blame them for that, but if I tried to enter any other country illegally, I’d be packed off pretty quickly.
Yes it is. The far right are talking like daleks, seek, locate destroy... there isn't a single international body you haven't proposed leaving, you demonise the ill, disabled and unemployed you are far right, the problem is you don't see the problem and you're in denial. It's our country pal not yours and your vision, such as it is, isn't mine.That isn't far right
But you said immigrants stop. They don't. The vast majority go back.You asked what the difference was - that’s the difference.
The vast majority of immigrants are legal, through work and student visas. About 1.5 million a year. Compare that with maybe 30,000 in boats. Its miniscule but confected into a crisis to deflect from the omnishambles in all aspects that this Government has made of everything.The fact is that illegal immigration is a huge problem for this country, in terms of cost, healthcare, schools etc, and the key word her is “illegal”. The general consensus is that the vast majority are economic migrants and mostly young men seeking a better life. Can’t blame them for that, but if I tried to enter any other country illegally, I’d be packed off pretty quickly.
I gave you the general definition!But you said immigrants stop. They don't. The vast majority go back.
The populist right and the far right are the same thing just rebranded.Far right is used too much I agree.
I believe a more accurate and useful term for 90% of this is Populist Right