Why CB didn’t sign, in his own words

JJpool said:
Plus not every club will be able or willing to do what Oxford did.

Rumoured to be 14k a week.

To get him to move and come here we'd probably have to give at least 15k.

Our top end is maybe 10k.

Suddenly some in our squad are not as happy with their wage, any new players arriving considered to be of similar quality also want that new top end.

Hes a decent player but not worth breaking the structure for.

As said in the other thread the positive is we're willing to spend that much and not all clubs will be able to counter like Oxford have.
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This ⬆️

In the same vein, Oxford will have current & incoming players demanding parity (or something approaching it).

They'll need to be lucky if they're prepared to pay Derby/Massive/Ipswich wages on their income.
Doesn't matter how wealthy their owner is, if they don't get a financial boost by getting promoted, 2/3 years down the line Financial Fair Play will kick in and they'll be in a Reading-like situation.
 
Actual quote from Cam:

"I arrived in Blackpool and was worried i had caught something. I hadn't even got out of the car! They gave me a medical back home and I was very lucky. I won't be going back there!"
 
Don't blame him at all.

In the 80s when I was trying to climb the greasy pole, I went for interviews in 2 consecutive years for jobs in different parts of the country. I was offered both jobs, but turned them down because of higher house prices or family reasons. After the second time I got the promotion I was after without having to move.

I've also interviewed people from other parts of the country, offered them jobs, and they then turned them down for similar reasons. There were no hard feelings then, and there shouldn't be now.

In the past, and without social media etc, we wouldn't have known about Brannagan until it was a done deal. Far too much speculation these days. If you look on the BBC football site, there are stories every day about Ronaldo, or Kane.

Get over it and enjoy what we've got.
 
OUFCFanNotInPeace said:
Actual quote from Cam:

"I arrived in Blackpool and was worried i had caught something. I hadn't even got out of the car! They gave me a medical back home and I was very lucky. I won't be going back there!"
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“ I want to stay in Oxford, playing in front of a three sided ground wIth no atmosphere, next to the delightful Blackbird Leys Estate”
 
TommyHutch said:
It’ll perhaps teach us not to match buy out clauses. They’re just used to negotiate better deals where they are. We were too gullible, too naive, done like a kipper.
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They're not there for that purpose at all.... They're there to give ambitious players an option to progress their career, if the right Club comes along.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They're not there for that purpose at all.... They're there to give ambitious players an option to progress their career, if the right Club comes along.
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In theory obviously, we all understand that, but when the ‘buying club’ is as naive as we seem to be, it’s just a bargaining tool for players who are basically happy where they are.
 
OUFCFanNotInPeace said:
Actual quote from Cam:

"I arrived in Blackpool and was worried i had caught something. I hadn't even got out of the car! They gave me a medical back home and I was very lucky. I won't be going back there!"
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Fairly cliched response, have you still got the Cutteslowe walls up there?
 
The AVFTT Mail on Sunday - “it was all done and dusted, I even had my PNE tattoo removed, but then Ben Mansford walked in and I thought I’m not staying round here’
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
👍 what would our current players hade made of a contract that broke our wage structure.
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I don't believe we have a wage structure to break

Granted we will have a wage budget for the season but you are suggesting the club has a maximum amount that they would pay a single player in a wage structure

I don't believe that's the case it certainly wasn't last season when I spoke to a club director on this issue

You are then suggesting possible unrest from other players

You are just make things up
 
To be honest if he lives in the Cotswolds around Oxford, maybe Woodstock or Hooknorton somewhere like that then most people would take some shifting from there I think.
Top half of league one or bottom half of the Championship which is really better in terms of personal happiness?
 
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OUFCFanNotInPeace said:
Actual quote from Cam:

"I arrived in Blackpool and was worried i had caught something. I hadn't even got out of the car! They gave me a medical back home and I was very lucky. I won't be going back there!"
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You do know we will relish in you’re inevitable seasons failure don’t you. These types of posts have a habit to come back and bite you in the arse.
 
Tons of Apples said:
What I don't get then is why he even bothered travelling up? I have been offered two promotions within my company - one would have involved moving to the South East and the other Anglia and I didn't bother following either up for those reasons.
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To get a better deal From Oxford. And it worked.
 
tangerine.com said:
It's the way it was done.
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I think its just business isn’t it, the way it was done. Cutthroat sometimes, although with this I would just say we were played a little to his advantage, but again that’s business.
Folk predominantly look after themselves, and so they should in a case like this I guess.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Just to kill off the ridiculous / embarrassing comments and speculation. Taken from the press, in case others have not seen the statement. He simply used us to get a better deal at Oxford.


“My contract said that if a club meets the trigger valuation then I am entitled to go and talk to them and I appreciate Oxford allowing me to consider my options

I was flattered to be approached and I have so much respect for that club and wish them well for the future.

But at the same time all I kept thinking about was what we are building at Oxford and how much I owe the club and the fans. I love living in the area, I love playing for the club and in the end I am happy here”
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Pool fans won't be happy with that explanation and will adamant the club fucked up🤔
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't believe we have a wage structure to break

Granted we will have a wage budget for the season but you are suggesting the club has a maximum amount that they would pay a single player in a wage structure

I don't believe that's the case it certainly wasn't last season when I spoke to a club director on this issue

You are then suggesting possible unrest from other players

You are just make things up
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No Phil I’m not making anything up. When someone comes in and becomes the highest paid player, it does create pressures around new contracts for existing players. I can tell you 100% that players talk about money.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
No Phil I’m not making anything up. When someone comes in and becomes the highest paid player, it does create pressures around new contracts for existing players. I can tell you 100% that players talk about money.
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Of course players do but you incorrectly said we have a wage structure and any deal for CB would have broken that

That's wrong
 
Philbfctrois said:
Of course players do but you incorrectly said we have a wage structure and any deal for CB would have broken that

That's wrong
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Like any business we have a structure, and we aren’t going to pay an unlimited amount to any single player. Clubs know the importance of keeping everyone happy, which means capping at a certain level, with scale ranges, perhaps based on age, experience and value to the club.

The fact is, the lad didn’t want to come and he used us to get what he wanted, to stay at Oxford. MA has backed this up, so your immediate and personal criticism of Mansford was well wide of the mark.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Like any business we have a structure, and we aren’t going to pay an unlimited amount to any single player. Clubs know the importance of keeping everyone happy, which means capping at a certain level, with scale ranges, perhaps based on age, experience and value to the club.

The fact is, the lad didn’t want to come and he used us to get what he wanted, to stay at Oxford. MA has backed this up, so your immediate and personal criticism of Mansford was well wide of the mark.
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Again you are just generalising

The last para isn't a fact at all, you have no idea what went through CB mind
 
Leaving his detached house in Headington Oxford and ending up driving down Central Drive to the ground had no influence on his decision.
 
Those words from CM are quite acceptable because at the end of the day if you're happy where you are why change things?

What I do have a problem with is why would the lad drive all the way up to Blackpool if he truly meant those words? I mean he wouldn't bother making the journey if he felt that way about Oxford would he.

No it sounds to me like he came here, had a listen to what deal was on the table, wasn't overly impressed and then Oxford contacted his agent and offered him a big rise to stay, end of story.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Those words from CM are quite acceptable because at the end of the day if you're happy where you are why change things?

What I do have a problem with is why would the lad drive all the way up to Blackpool if he truly meant those words? I mean he wouldn't bother making the journey if he felt that way about Oxford would he.

No it sounds to me like he came here, had a listen to what deal was on the table, wasn't overly impressed and then Oxford contacted his agent and offered him a big rise to stay, end of story.
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Thats how l read it he just went through the motions, stirred the pot of both sets of fans and got a better contract deal. Both CB and his agent have pulled a flanker.
 
What I don't get about this whole saga in a period of just over 12 months that we've been in for him three times no one else has?
If he was that good plenty of Championship teams could easily buy out his selling clause and pay him big wages maybe he ain't that good.

Now with his three year deal anyone wanting him it's going to cost millions to get him out of the club.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Those words from CM are quite acceptable because at the end of the day if you're happy where you are why change things?

What I do have a problem with is why would the lad drive all the way up to Blackpool if he truly meant those words? I mean he wouldn't bother making the journey if he felt that way about Oxford would he.

No it sounds to me like he came here, had a listen to what deal was on the table, wasn't overly impressed and then Oxford contacted his agent and offered him a big rise to stay, end of story.
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Depending what you read, he never actually got to Blackpool.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Scrafton did say he was in the northwest though so where would he be then?
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Quite often meetings take place in hotels just off the motorway. Either way it sounds like he met up with our representatives whether in Blackpool or elsewhere. As soon as we triggered the release clause it sounds like Oxford put plans in place to keep him at the club, well done them.
 
I’ve no idea… As I said, it seems to depend on which article you read. I’ve read one that seemed to suggest he never left Oxford, one which said he was on his way to Blackpool and others that say he was here.

Either way it doesn’t really matter…. I mean as I said on another thread a short trip up the motorway to prove you are serious is a minor inconvenience if it results in the offer you want from your existing club.

It’s pretty obvious from the way it went in the media that there was a stand off in their negotiations and that we were in the middle.

There’s nothing whatsoever to suggest that “He wasn’t overly impressed” with Blackpool.In fact I just don’t think we were ever really under serious consideration (maybe if Oxford didn’t back down)

It had far more to do with him and his family being settled in Oxford and not really wanting to have to move. Again, it’s been obvious from his previous statements that he’s very happy down there (and by the sounds of it his Mrs is too)… I think people under-estimate how important that is….
 
Raging_Bull said:
Quite often meetings take place in hotels just off the motorway. Either way it sounds like he met up with our representatives whether in Blackpool or elsewhere. As soon as we triggered the release clause it sounds like Oxford put plans in place to keep him at the club, well done them.
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Sounds more and more like it was a very clever (but cheeky) way of securing a new 3 year deal and no doubt a very healthy pay rise.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Those words from CM are quite acceptable because at the end of the day if you're happy where you are why change things?

What I do have a problem with is why would the lad drive all the way up to Blackpool if he truly meant those words? I mean he wouldn't bother making the journey if he felt that way about Oxford would he.

No it sounds to me like he came here, had a listen to what deal was on the table, wasn't overly impressed and then Oxford contacted his agent and offered him a big rise to stay, end of story.
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I think that’s as close as you can get to an explanation.
 
JJpool said:
Rumoured to be 14k a week.

To get him to move and come here we'd probably have to give at least 15k.

Our top end is maybe 10k.
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From what Sadler said, it was all about the money and I'd be worried if I were Oxford now. Three year deal, foot off the gas, nothing to prove and someone who I noticed only got a 5 in the Player Ratings on Saturday!
 
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