Worrying WHO statement that pandemic is worsening

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In a WHO statement yesterday, director general Dr Tedros Ghebreyesus said the virus is not under control “in most of the world” and is in fact “getting worse”. He said the total number of cases of coronavirus worldwide has doubled in the last six weeks. the death total has reached 544,000 and the pandemic continues to accelerate globally. The USA posted a one day record of 59000 new cases this week and has over 3 million reported infections. The total reported cases worldwide has now reached 11.8 million. Brazil has had more than 1,000 daily deaths over the past few days, and has seen more than 1.75 million new infections, with Central and South America struggling to get to grips with the increase in cases and countries in Asia fighting second waves.

Who would have thought after the mess Europe was in that it would become one of the safest places on earth. I hope this doesn't make people here complacent about remaining vigilant. Another worrying aspect is the change in WHO policy regarding atomisation. Now it appears that the virus can exist in the air and doesn't always fall to the ground as previously thought. This makes the one metre or even two metre distancing less effective. Please let the Oxford vaccine be as effective as they are saying because next Winter is going to be long and hard if it isn't.

 
Not that I'm complacent, but surely the increased number of cases has a lot to do with increased testing. It's still clear that in the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and nowhere close to being life-threatening. The Brazilian situation is hardly a surprise when you consider it's got a huge population and has large swathes of the populace living in densely populated areas with no choice but to move around to ensure work and pay. I'd also expect major outbreaks in Africa too. From a humanitarian perspective, I hope they are well supported as areas with poorer standards of health in the first case will almost certainly see higher levels of deaths.

As much as their hysterical attitude (on both sides) has been laughable, the US, and its major cities are a good yardstick for the next phase. Cases may climb, but what about deaths? If 99% of cases leave the patient at worst feeling pretty rough for a few days/a week - as would be the case with flu - then we're dealing with something that is completely standard in the general context of everyday life.

Unless we have a situation where healthy people are dropping like flies, then I doubt we'll see any sort of second phase of lockdown. Economies around the world have been decimated and governments are also losing money on the back of this. We really will be in a situation of financial Armageddon if there was a second lockdown.
We all have to remain as careful as we can be, keep good hygiene standards and be sensible in terms of how we interact. Of course, bringing the conversation into the 'other forum', I wonder how live sporting events - or music/theatre/comedy etc... - can exist in this environment?
 
straightatthewall said:
Not that I'm complacent, but surely the increased number of cases has a lot to do with increased testing. It's still clear that in the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and nowhere close to being life-threatening. The Brazilian situation is hardly a surprise when you consider it's got a huge population and has large swathes of the populace living in densely populated areas with no choice but to move around to ensure work and pay. I'd also expect major outbreaks in Africa too. From a humanitarian perspective, I hope they are well supported as areas with poorer standards of health in the first case will almost certainly see higher levels of deaths.

As much as their hysterical attitude (on both sides) has been laughable, the US, and its major cities are a good yardstick for the next phase. Cases may climb, but what about deaths? If 99% of cases leave the patient at worst feeling pretty rough for a few days/a week - as would be the case with flu - then we're dealing with something that is completely standard in the general context of everyday life.

Unless we have a situation where healthy people are dropping like flies, then I doubt we'll see any sort of second phase of lockdown. Economies around the world have been decimated and governments are also losing money on the back of this. We really will be in a situation of financial Armageddon if there was a second lockdown.
We all have to remain as careful as we can be, keep good hygiene standards and be sensible in terms of how we interact. Of course, bringing the conversation into the 'other forum', I wonder how live sporting events - or music/theatre/comedy etc... - can exist in this environment?
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Absolutely agree and if the death rate has to be weighed against a second lockdown most countries will just carry on. Quite simply they can't afford to lockdown, even if it means hundreds or even thousands of fatalities.
 
Unless you're mourning the loss of a loved one of course and then you would probably think differently than mourning the loss of the love of ££££.
 
Macseasider said:
Unless you're mourning the loss of a loved one of course and then you would probably think differently than mourning the loss of the love of ££££.
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Feel free to carry on isolating Mac - personal choice, although if we all did that the country would soon be bankrupt. I'm sure there'd be more mourning in that scenario. The impact of the upcoming recession is already likely to be significant.
 
Some worrying accounts now of lots of different long term health conditions being experienced by even those who have mild symptoms in terms of lung infections.
This can include, brain and other organ damage, strokes and heart
attacks.
Haven’t seen any stats yet to say how common this is (maybe they haven’t been able to produce any yet?).
 
glasshalffull said:
Some worrying accounts now of lots of different long term health conditions being experienced by even those who have mild symptoms in terms of lung infections.
This can include, brain and other organ damage, strokes and heart
attacks.
Haven’t seen any stats yet to say how common this is (maybe they haven’t been able to produce any yet?).
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The medics are learning every day. Now they know that intubated patients need blood thinner to stop potentially fatal blood clotting. After effects include scarring of the lungs, muscle damage, mental issues. Sufferers are going to need help for years to come.
 
straightatthewall said:
Not that I'm complacent, but surely the increased number of cases has a lot to do with increased testing. It's still clear that in the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and nowhere close to being life-threatening. The Brazilian situation is hardly a surprise when you consider it's got a huge population and has large swathes of the populace living in densely populated areas with no choice but to move around to ensure work and pay. I'd also expect major outbreaks in Africa too. From a humanitarian perspective, I hope they are well supported as areas with poorer standards of health in the first case will almost certainly see higher levels of deaths.

As much as their hysterical attitude (on both sides) has been laughable, the US, and its major cities are a good yardstick for the next phase. Cases may climb, but what about deaths? If 99% of cases leave the patient at worst feeling pretty rough for a few days/a week - as would be the case with flu - then we're dealing with something that is completely standard in the general context of everyday life.

Unless we have a situation where healthy people are dropping like flies, then I doubt we'll see any sort of second phase of lockdown. Economies around the world have been decimated and governments are also losing money on the back of this. We really will be in a situation of financial Armageddon if there was a second lockdown.
We all have to remain as careful as we can be, keep good hygiene standards and be sensible in terms of how we interact. Of course, bringing the conversation into the 'other forum', I wonder how live sporting events - or music/theatre/comedy etc... - can exist in this environment?
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Good post SATW.

I do think there is an element now of people listening to the guidance and making up their own minds. So people are still a bit reticent about pubs and restaurants, but happier than they were to shop, albeit I think people are buying more and going less often. I've noticed this week that Sainsbury's in Lewisham are trying much less hard to limit the flow of people into the store and it is becoming a more "normal" experience as a result. And although the vast majority of people are observing the rules on masks on public transport (but not all), I think less people are wearing them more generally.

I think you may be right about a second lockdown, but I think there be a second wave of some kind but that we will cope with it better medically because we know more about it. That's a hunch, more than an educated guess, by the way.

Lewisham's numbers on cases are interesting. Because of where we are we are always going to be near the top of a lot of the league tables. But we have only had about 30-40 new cases in the last month or so and per head of population we are (for example) doing far better than Blackpool. Why that is I don't know, except to say that in March and early April the lockdown here was really well observed, despite what you might read in the papers.
 
straightatthewall said:
Not that I'm complacent, but surely the increased number of cases has a lot to do with increased testing. It's still clear that in the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and nowhere close to being life-threatening. The Brazilian situation is hardly a surprise when you consider it's got a huge population and has large swathes of the populace living in densely populated areas with no choice but to move around to ensure work and pay. I'd also expect major outbreaks in Africa too. From a humanitarian perspective, I hope they are well supported as areas with poorer standards of health in the first case will almost certainly see higher levels of deaths.

As much as their hysterical attitude (on both sides) has been laughable, the US, and its major cities are a good yardstick for the next phase. Cases may climb, but what about deaths? If 99% of cases leave the patient at worst feeling pretty rough for a few days/a week - as would be the case with flu - then we're dealing with something that is completely standard in the general context of everyday life.

Unless we have a situation where healthy people are dropping like flies, then I doubt we'll see any sort of second phase of lockdown. Economies around the world have been decimated and governments are also losing money on the back of this. We really will be in a situation of financial Armageddon if there was a second lockdown.
We all have to remain as careful as we can be, keep good hygiene standards and be sensible in terms of how we interact. Of course, bringing the conversation into the 'other forum', I wonder how live sporting events - or music/theatre/comedy etc... - can exist in this environment?
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Thank you, Thank you.
at last a voice or reason and common sense.
 
straightatthewall said:
Not that I'm complacent, but surely the increased number of cases has a lot to do with increased testing. It's still clear that in the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and nowhere close to being life-threatening. The Brazilian situation is hardly a surprise when you consider it's got a huge population and has large swathes of the populace living in densely populated areas with no choice but to move around to ensure work and pay. I'd also expect major outbreaks in Africa too. From a humanitarian perspective, I hope they are well supported as areas with poorer standards of health in the first case will almost certainly see higher levels of deaths.

As much as their hysterical attitude (on both sides) has been laughable, the US, and its major cities are a good yardstick for the next phase. Cases may climb, but what about deaths? If 99% of cases leave the patient at worst feeling pretty rough for a few days/a week - as would be the case with flu - then we're dealing with something that is completely standard in the general context of everyday life.

Unless we have a situation where healthy people are dropping like flies, then I doubt we'll see any sort of second phase of lockdown. Economies around the world have been decimated and governments are also losing money on the back of this. We really will be in a situation of financial Armageddon if there was a second lockdown.
We all have to remain as careful as we can be, keep good hygiene standards and be sensible in terms of how we interact. Of course, bringing the conversation into the 'other forum', I wonder how live sporting events - or music/theatre/comedy etc... - can exist in this environment?
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Good post.
 
basilrobbie said:
Good post SATW.

I do think there is an element now of people listening to the guidance and making up their own minds. So people are still a bit reticent about pubs and restaurants, but happier than they were to shop, albeit I think people are buying more and going less often. I've noticed this week that Sainsbury's in Lewisham are trying much less hard to limit the flow of people into the store and it is becoming a more "normal" experience as a result. And although the vast majority of people are observing the rules on masks on public transport (but not all), I think less people are wearing them more generally.

I think you may be right about a second lockdown, but I think there be a second wave of some kind but that we will cope with it better medically because we know more about it. That's a hunch, more than an educated guess, by the way.

Lewisham's numbers on cases are interesting. Because of where we are we are always going to be near the top of a lot of the league tables. But we have only had about 30-40 new cases in the last month or so and per head of population we are (for example) doing far better than Blackpool. Why that is I don't know, except to say that in March and early April the lockdown here was really well observed, despite what you might read in the papers.
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Robbie, how many people are wearing masks for everyday shopping/etc in Lewisham ? Fuck all people are doing in the north from what I can tell. I suspect more people are in 'that there'.
 
basilrobbie said:
Good post SATW.

I do think there is an element now of people listening to the guidance and making up their own minds. So people are still a bit reticent about pubs and restaurants, but happier than they were to shop, albeit I think people are buying more and going less often. I've noticed this week that Sainsbury's in Lewisham are trying much less hard to limit the flow of people into the store and it is becoming a more "normal" experience as a result. And although the vast majority of people are observing the rules on masks on public transport (but not all), I think less people are wearing them more generally.

I think you may be right about a second lockdown, but I think there be a second wave of some kind but that we will cope with it better medically because we know more about it. That's a hunch, more than an educated guess, by the way.

Lewisham's numbers on cases are interesting. Because of where we are we are always going to be near the top of a lot of the league tables. But we have only had about 30-40 new cases in the last month or so and per head of population we are (for example) doing far better than Blackpool. Why that is I don't know, except to say that in March and early April the lockdown here was really well observed, despite what you might read in the papers.
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Share your opinions on second wave but hopefully no lockdown. We have to remember that the first wave was identified too late and absolutely no social distancing or mask wearing was in play before the virus had already taken a massive hold.
Social distancing is in place now and if not adhered to by everyone it’s still adhered to enough to make a significant difference. The awareness of the R rate will also help to prevent further national lockdown, as will the testing ability now in place and the fact that many will definitely have immunity of some sort from the first wave.
 
WHO has announced this pm that the virus is still accelerating. 230,370 new positive cases globally in the last 24 hours. It would be good to see this stabilising.
 
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cruzzer said:
Sorry but you’re wrong. Testing numbers yesterday similar to same day last week but a 30% increase in positive cases.
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I thought Govt had stopped releasing the number of tests. Not doubting you, just wondering if they'd changed their mind on that...?
 
bollieboy said:
Robbie, how many people are wearing masks for everyday shopping/etc in Lewisham ? Fuck all people are doing in the north from what I can tell. I suspect more people are in 'that there'.
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It's hard to estimate bollie. I had the impression about 2-3 weeks ago that masks / no masks was about 50/50. The last time or two I've been out it has been more like 30/70. Of course, most people are carrying a mask around with them to wear on public transport, where just about everyone is following the rules.

On the buses we have a limit on numbers allowed on - on the single decker buses this is 10, and I have seen drivers enforcing it.
 
basilrobbie said:
It's hard to estimate bollie. I had the impression about 2-3 weeks ago that masks / no masks was about 50/50. The last time or two I've been out it has been more like 30/70. Of course, most people are carrying a mask around with them to wear on public transport, where just about everyone is following the rules.

On the buses we have a limit on numbers allowed on - on the single decker buses this is 10, and I have seen drivers enforcing it.
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30 % is still more than around here where I would say it is barely 10 %.
 
basilrobbie said:
It's hard to estimate bollie. I had the impression about 2-3 weeks ago that masks / no masks was about 50/50. The last time or two I've been out it has been more like 30/70. Of course, most people are carrying a mask around with them to wear on public transport, where just about everyone is following the rules.

On the buses we have a limit on numbers allowed on - on the single decker buses this is 10, and I have seen drivers enforcing it.
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I hope they're not treated to the same awful behaviour as the bus driver in France.
 
straightatthewall said:
bollie,

down here it's not easy to get around without using public transport, so I guess people have got used to it that way.
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Daughter came back home from 'that , there' last week and she has been shocked by how few people are wearing masks here. Social distancing a lot easier here though.
 
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