Wrexham wage bill

LASHER said:
Some people on here still think we missed players because of the training ground.
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Why not ?

It's perfectly possible that most players would just go to the club offering the most without considering the training facilities as you appear to be suggesting ?


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for a player to be offered identical financial terms at club A and club B and accept the offer from the club with the better training facilities.


I'd be surprised if we HAD NEVER missed out on a player because of our woeful training facilities.
 
Macseasider said:
Football clubs have always been someone's vanity project. It's just changed from local captains of industry to rich Arabs and Americans.
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Good point MAC.

I am appalled by the continual casual xenophobia of some of the posters on this forum.

I can't understand why the moderator accepts it ?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
You really are out of touch with modern football

I have no love for Wrexham, living in Wales and seeing the way fans of non league or Welsh league clubs are jumping on the bandwagon actually makes me sick in my mouth

However to suggest that the club will reach a ceiling very soon and that the owners won't continue to invest in the club and town as a bit miss guided to say the least

You only have to look at the global sponsors that they have to realise they are playing on a much higher field to the majority of clubs in the football league

Then you have to look at where they are based and the catchment area that they have, this story is far from ending Robbie

As much as you hate modern football unfortunately money does make the world go round and these guys have bucket loads of cash with the only professional club in North Wales behind them

They sell out every single game and have had to build a temporary stand for additional home fans
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I wouldn't say Robbie is out of touch with modern football Phil, he just has different views from yourself on certain matters.

I'd say that he is just much more risk averse than the likes of me and you and neither of us are playing with our own money.

I have no problem with superstars - or anybody for that matter - investing in Wrexham but I'd be far closer to Robbie than your good self on where it will end for them.
 
I think in the documentary they said something about Championship being as far as they could take it alone on their cash, past that point they’d need to take on an investor to compete which is probably about right
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
whatever happened to Salford City. BIg money ex Man UTD project. cant even remember which League they are in. League 2. Doesnt always happen.
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Are you honestly trying to compare Salford to Wrexham even by your standards that's ludicrous
 
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SEASIDE2020 said:
I wouldn't say Robbie is out of touch with modern football Phil, he just has different views from yourself on certain matters.

I'd say that he is just much more risk averse than the likes of me and you and neither of us are playing with our own money.

I have no problem with superstars - or anybody for that matter - investing in Wrexham but I'd be far closer to Robbie than your good self on where it will end for them.
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It will end when they are in the Premier league i would think

I don't think people realise the feelgood factor and the way they are increasing their fanbase in North Wales, they aren't just a town club anymore they are representing half a country
 
Plastic fans the lot of them. Bit like Man City.
“Where were you when you were shit” are familiar chants from opposing fans.
Can’t argue with the fact though that Reynolds has rejuvenated the town of Wrexham. I haven’t bothered watching his documentary about the club so not sure what the attraction was in the first place.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Why not ?

It's perfectly possible that most players would just go to the club offering the most without considering the training facilities as you appear to be suggesting ?


AND


for a player to be offered identical financial terms at club A and club B and accept the offer from the club with the better training facilities.


I'd be surprised if we HAD NEVER missed out on a player because of our woeful training facilities.
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The training ground wouldn't be seen till after the financial side is completed in any deal wether it be big club or small one, it is the wages at the end of the day
 
ForeverTangerine said:
Plastic fans the lot of them. Bit like Man City.
“Where were you when you were shit” are familiar chants from opposing fans.
Can’t argue with the fact though that Reynolds has rejuvenated the town of Wrexham. I haven’t bothered watching his documentary about the club so not sure what the attraction was in the first place.
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Man City aren't plastic fans, they were selling out grounds all over the country when they were in league one

As for Wrexham its a bit different as whilst i agree people are jumping on the bandwagon they are trying to represent the whole of North and Mid Wales as there are no other professional football clubs in North Wales

The attraction is simple to understand
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I know there is probably a chasm between Wrexham heading for a disaster and the North Wales giants heading for success but I'm in the middle.

Do Wrexham really have that much more potential than some of the other clubs currently languishing in the lower leagues ?

Is there really anything wrong with aggressive investmemt in a lower league club in the eyes of the supporters at such clubs, would they rather "live the dream" and kick on up the leagues or finish fifth bottom and win the Sensible Sustainability Award every season ?
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To answer your second point the answer is yes

They have global companies sponsoring them and represent more than just a town team given how they are marketing themselves
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It will end when they are in the Premier league i would think

I don't think people realise the feelgood factor and the way they are increasing their fanbase in North Wales, they aren't just a town club anymore they are representing half a country
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I've got nothing against Wrexham Phil but I'm not sure that they'll get to the Prem, we shall see.

Probably more be more exciting trying to get there and failing than trying to stay in League One every season.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
To answer your second point the answer is yes

They have global companies sponsoring them and represent more than just a town team given how they are marketing themselves
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Again, I'm not so sure Phil and I think you are overplaying the whole half a country, sleeping giant thing.

I think plenty of the other clubs struggling in the lower leagues have greater potential than Wrexham but certainly nothing against them and we'll see how it all pans out.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Are you honestly trying to compare Salford to Wrexham even by your standards that's ludicrous
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I'm not comparing Salford to Wrexham Phil but I'm fairly sure that the aim of Project Salford is/was not to just stay in League Two.

AVFTT Caveat to others not Phil - Yes, they still might end up winning the Champions League but I'm sure the plan wasn't to spend years in League Two before going on to do so !!!!!!!!!!!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm not comparing Salford to Wrexham Phil but I'm fairly sure that the aim of Project Salford is/was not to just stay in League Two.

AVFTT Caveat to others not Phil - Yes, they still might end up winning the Champions League but I'm sure the plan wasn't to spend years in League Two before going on to do so !!!!!!!!!!!
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That comment wasn't directed at you
 
ForeverTangerine said:
Plastic fans the lot of them. Bit like Man City.
“Where were you when you were shit” are familiar chants from opposing fans.
Can’t argue with the fact though that Reynolds has rejuvenated the town of Wrexham. I haven’t bothered watching his documentary about the club so not sure what the attraction was in the first place.
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It’s excellent that the town and region have had much greater exposure.

But this is no fairytale story. It’s a club that has bypassed the EFL FFP rules by paying league 1 wages to attract league 1 quality players to the National League. On longer term contracts that mean they can then pay more in League 2 than other clubs.

So the fun starts now really. I think they might be surprised by how much hostility they will face from opposition fans in league 1.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Sorry, only just seen this.

I think they are (now) genuinely emotionally involved with the club - winning every week helps, of course. Whether they were in the beginning we will probably never know.

I'm merely saying that they are getting nearer and nearer to the glass ceiling. For Fleetwood it was League 1 , for Salford it seems it is League 2. I doubt that the current owners of Wrexham have the financial wherewithal to take them much further and if they do go up they are going to find themselves playing with quite a few clubs who are better supported and equipped than they are. Spending their way through that is probably beyond them - but we'll see.

I agree with you that - unlike Fleetwood and Salford - they are a club with significant history and potential. But the ground ISN'T bigger, and it will cost a hell of a lot to do anything about that. They could conceivably get 15k in different circumstances - equally, if things go wrong, support could fall back towards the 4k that they traditionally attract. It only gets harder for them from here, once they lose their spending advantage. It's nothing to do with jealousy. I'm just observing that they are heading for a bit of a conundrum.

As for Everton, I think you are paraphrasing what I said. My sympathy for them is entirely for their supporters ; the club itself is a complete dog's breakfast, and what you have at the moment is a mix of poor ownership, inept regulation and a potential external "partner" who might do the club irreparable harm if they get their hands on it.
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I didn't have you down as someone that would make a comment without research and being substantially wrong.
 
hampshire_exile said:
It’s excellent that the town and region have had much greater exposure.

But this is no fairytale story. It’s a club that has bypassed the EFL FFP rules by paying league 1 wages to attract league 1 quality players to the National League. On longer term contracts that mean they can then pay more in League 2 than other clubs.

So the fun starts now really. I think they might be surprised by how much hostility they will face from opposition fans in league 1.
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And what's the problem with that by the way? They have League One attendances. And gate receipts. They aren't bypassing EFL FFP rules either by the way.

What they have done is got a FL club out of the NL by spending what they should be spending anyway.

It's not fairytale, it's a club resurrection and it's pure jealousy to be honest.
 
SeasideKurt said:
And what's the problem with that by the way? They have League One attendances. And gate receipts. They aren't bypassing EFL FFP rules either by the way.

What they have done is got a FL club out of the NL by spending what they should be spending anyway.

It's not fairytale, it's a club resurrection and it's pure jealousy to be honest.
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Yep that's a good point i would love us to have owners like the Wrexham chaps, loads of money and proper ambition to be the best they can be

When you have pubs about 100 miles away in Mid Wales and Anglesey running coaches to standard home games i think it shows the pull they have, people on this site just don't understand the monster they are creating

They built a temporary stand this season as demand outweighed the capacity, and it still does

Whilst i don't like the knock on effect its had on traditional Welsh clubs in North and Mid Wales you have to give the owners credit for what they have done to increase their fanbase and global reputation so quickly
 
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hampshire_exile said:
It’s excellent that the town and region have had much greater exposure.

But this is no fairytale story. It’s a club that has bypassed the EFL FFP rules by paying league 1 wages to attract league 1 quality players to the National League. On longer term contracts that mean they can then pay more in League 2 than other clubs.

So the fun starts now really. I think they might be surprised by how much hostility they will face from opposition fans in league 1.
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Agree totally with that. I think they’ll have their hands full when they visit the bigger boys in league one
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
To answer your second point the answer is yes

They have global companies sponsoring them and represent more than just a town team given how they are marketing themselves
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And they got decent crowds back in the 70s when they had a decent side. Did well in Europe too when they could compete in the cup winners cup.
 
Every club who throws money at it eventually reaches a level where its more a level playing field and they don't have the financial advantage anymore. With Wrexham I would say championship and I'm sure they'll get there sometime in the next few seasons. You'd certainly take that though wouldn't you as a wrexham fan worrying for years about just getting back into the Football League.
Nothing lasts for ever but the owners seem that they won't be giving this up anytime soon. Personally I think it's a great story.
 
SeasideKurt said:
The part where you state you don't think they have the financial backing. Ryan Reynolds has recently sold a few companies for a combined 1 billion. He has more than enough let alone any of Rob's investments.
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That may be so Kurt, but how much he has available - or is willing to commit - for the football club is a different question, isn't it? I mean, the family that owns Stoke City are richer than Croesus, but it doesn't and hasn't translated into overwhelming spending power.

If they can significantly expand the size of the ground and ensure that the club generates significantly more of its turnover itself, they have a chance of doing well in L1 and maybe even at the bottom end of the Championship. But they will face the same constraints around financial sustainability and spend v revenue as everyone else.

They've done the easier bit spectacularly well. It gets harder from here on in - in my opinion. They'll be an interesting study next season.
 
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