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basilrobbie

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Latest voting intentions as at 8-9 July :

Conservative 46%
Labour 36%
Lib Dem 6%
SNP 5%
Green 3%
Brexit 2%

I'm a bit surprised by that, given the grief the Government has been getting. Just goes to show that rebuilding trust is not a quick job for Labour. Mind you, they do have plenty of time.
 
basilrobbie said:
Latest voting intentions as at 8-9 July :

Conservative 46%
Labour 36%
Lib Dem 6%
SNP 5%
Green 3%
Brexit 2%

I'm a bit surprised by that, given the grief the Government has been getting. Just goes to show that rebuilding trust is not a quick job for Labour. Mind you, they do have plenty of time.
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I’m very surprised to be honest. Especially after reading this forum for the past few months!
Who knows what priorities the majority of
voters have and some are probably more forgiving about the actual difficulties covid would have presented to any government.
 
Opinion polls are not always accurate especially those with lower sample sizes.What size was the sample in this poll I wonder?
 
It’s been a pretty abject performance by the government during the crisis, and yet still more people think Labour would be worse?
 
Chunkylad said:
It’s been a pretty abject performance by the government during the crisis, and yet still more people think Labour would be worse?
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We simply don’t actually know if they’d be better or worse that’s the thing. People will automatically make their own judgments on that I guess.
 
Ta.Not bad better than those with around 1000 but those with 2000 or more are more trustworthy and the rare ones with much higher numbers are of course normally very close to the true situation. It`s also important that there is proper balance re. the required demographics in the sample sometimes these are only loosely reflected in the sample.
 
It's the economy, stupid!
It will be Covid that causes it to tank but it will be the Tories in the box seat. Polls at the moment are pointless.
 
Lala said:
I’m very surprised to be honest. Especially after reading this forum for the past few months!
Who knows what priorities the majority of
voters have and some are probably more forgiving about the actual difficulties covid would have presented to any government.
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If this forum (or the old one) is to be believed. We'd have voted Remain and Labour would have won the last GE.
 
I’m a GE floater and voted remain, not sure which hole that pegs me into 🤔
But always happy to abide by the majority outcome as that’s democracy.
 
Starmer has been a bit disappointing. His tactic of avoiding criticising the government too much during this crisis in order to look moderate and statesmanlike has backfired because it makes the government look more competent than they actually are. Ok Labour's support has increased a little bit but only by the same amount that the Tory lead has increased. In other words, he is doing as badly as Corbyn despite rave reviews in the media.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Starmer has been a bit disappointing. His tactic of avoiding criticising the government too much during this crisis in order to look moderate and statesmanlike has backfired because it makes the government look more competent than they actually are. Ok Labour's support has increased a little bit but only by the same amount that the Tory lead has increased. In other words, he is doing as badly as Corbyn despite rave reviews in the media.
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I'm baffled that you see it that way. He hasn't gone for the jugular - I agree with you about that. But if you think that has made the Government look more competent I have to say I don't know quite what you are looking at.

On the polls - Labour were 20% behind when he came in and got it down to as low as 4% a week or two ago. Even on the poll I've quoted the Tory lead has halved.
 
Compared to the GE the Tory lead is the same. During that election Labour had an unpopular leader and an unpopular Brexit policy. Now we have the most incompetent government I've ever had the misfortune to experience who have killed 10,000s through their mismanagement and the Labour Party haven't made any headway from that election.
 
Unfortunately we live in a very selfish country . . as long as the Tories are the party most likely to keep taxes down the majority of the UK will vote for them . . even with somebody as useless as Bozo in charge.
 
Leither said:
Unfortunately we live in a very selfish country . . as long as the Tories are the party most likely to keep taxes down the majority of the UK will vote for them . . even with somebody as useless as Bozo in charge.
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Recent elections have come down to what's in it for me now, rather than what would be best for the country. The ironic thing is that the latter would be better for us all, but we'd sooner have a 1% tax cut instead of public services.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Starmer has been a bit disappointing. His tactic of avoiding criticising the government too much during this crisis in order to look moderate and statesmanlike has backfired because it makes the government look more competent than they actually are. Ok Labour's support has increased a little bit but only by the same amount that the Tory lead has increased. In other words, he is doing as badly as Corbyn despite rave reviews in the media.
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You all know I wanted Corbyn, would've been a brilliant PM. Starmer is the Tory B team in all but name.

Saying Starmer has been disappointing is just beyond words for me. If you ever listen to PMQT, from day one he's been running rings round BJ. Just about every single political commentator has noticed how empty BJ is without his cheerleaders behind him. Maybe you just don't listen to the points or simply don't have the faintest what's going on.

That said for now I'm happy for Starmer to carry on toying with the PM. I'm not sure it matters either way as most peoples ears are closed.

GET US OWT BORIS!

PFFFT!
 
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The voting intention poll has had the tories well clear since the General Election. Voters are intelligent enough to recognise that whichever party was in charge during the pandemic the outcome would have been similar.
 
kuriousoranj said:
But everything looks fake :)
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Refer you to my last post. It’s ok that you think that about me. It’s what I know about me that really matters 👍
Nowhere else to go with this conversation now. It’s a pointless diversion on a random thread where you seem to think I have to defend who I am and I don’t, and I won’t anymore.
So in the words of Liam Gallagher ‘As you were.’
 
kuriousoranj said:
You all know I wanted Corbyn, would've been a brilliant PM. Starmer is the Tory B team in all but name. Saying Starmer has been disappointing is just beyond words for me. If you ever listen to PMQT, from day one he's been running rings round BJ. Just about every single political commentator has noticed how empty BJ is without his cheerleaders behind him. Maybe you just don't listen to the points or simply don't have the faintest what's going on.That said for now I'm happy for Starmer to carry on toying with the PM. I'm not sure it matters either way as most peoples ears are closed.GET US OWT BORIS! PFFFT!
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Get the blinkers off FFS. Corbyn was hopeless and everyone could see that. Starmer doesn't impress the voters either. He's just going through the motions and doesn't even sound like he wants five years sitting on the sidelines with bugger all to do.
 
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Lala said:
Refer you to my last post. It’s ok that you think that about me. It’s what I know about me that really matters 👍
Nowhere else to go with this conversation now. It’s a pointless diversion on a random thread where you seem to think I have to defend who I am and I don’t, and I won’t anymore.
So in the words of Liam Gallagher ‘As you were.’
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‘As you were’ ? That sounds a bit tame for Liam Gallagher?
 
kuriousoranj said:
You all know I wanted Corbyn, would've been a brilliant PM. Starmer is the Tory B team in all but name.

Saying Starmer has been disappointing is just beyond words for me. If you ever listen to PMQT, from day one he's been running rings round BJ. Just about every single political commentator has noticed how empty BJ is without his cheerleaders behind him. Maybe you just don't listen to the points or simply don't have the faintest what's going on.

That said for now I'm happy for Starmer to carry on toying with the PM. I'm not sure it matters either way as most peoples ears are closed.

GET US OWT BORIS!

PFFFT!
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Of course Starmer makes mincemeat of Boris at PMQ. Boris is useless, it's not hard to look good when that is the standard of the opponent. What Starmer has failed to do is translate his dominance into closing the gap on what was a woeful election result last year. Under the circumstances I'd consider this to be poor start to his leadership. He needs to do a lot better.
 
The figure being quoted is from a single poll and too much significance should not be attached to it.
The latest poll of polls is here;

POLITICO Poll of Polls — British polls, trends and election news for the United Kingdom and Scotland

All polls, trends and election news for the the United Kingdom, Scotland and London — Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, Brexit Party, SNP, Greens, Scottish independence referendum and Scotland elect…
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

This should be a more accurate reading of voting intention. Starmer has made a good start but has much, much more to do. He does have the time to do it in (slightly less than four years til next GE). He may be facing PM Sunak in that poll!
 
tangerinenotorange said:
The voting intention poll has had the tories well clear since the General Election. Voters are intelligent enough to recognise that whichever party was in charge during the pandemic the outcome would have been similar.
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We had 2 weeks notice from what was happening in Italy yet we didn't stop people coming here, we didn't lockdown until it was too late and we returned patients to the rest homes without testing them. There was also the various debacles over PPE and the inability to establish a track and trace system as well as wasting £11m on an app that doesn't work on iPhones.

It isn't hard to imagine with a half-competent government the outcome could've been so much better.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The figure being quoted is from a single poll and too much significance should not be attached to it.
The latest poll of polls is here;

POLITICO Poll of Polls — British polls, trends and election news for the United Kingdom and Scotland

All polls, trends and election news for the the United Kingdom, Scotland and London — Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, Brexit Party, SNP, Greens, Scottish independence referendum and Scotland elect…
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

This should be a more accurate reading of voting intention. Starmer has made a good start but has much, much more to do. He does have the time to do it in (slightly less than four years til next GE). He may be facing PM Sunak in that poll!
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If the Tory lead is 6% rather than 10% then he is slightly better than Corbyn but at the moment the Tories are so bad I can't understand how he is so far behind. Against PM Sunak Starmer might as well not bother.
 
I watched a traumatic film on Horror Channel last night. Blood and gore everywhere and when I went to bed I had a terrible nightmare. It wasn't the film. I dreamed that Jeremy Corbyn was PM 😱
 
kuriousoranj said:
Thanks for the concise in-depth reply ..I particularly enjoyed your last paragraph.
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If you were familiar with Labour's 2017 and 2019 manifestoes then you would know that Labour's pandemic polices would have been far better from an economic perspective. Certainly the NHS would have been stronger and better prepared with PPE.

If you had the slightest familiarity with Corbyn's political agenda it would tell you he would obviously have put saving lives ahead of anything else.
He's also a great supporter of the WHO.. who were offering sound advice totally ignored by our government.
 
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The poll doesn't surprise me.

I'd say it's 90+% down to the economy and that it's had so much money pumped into putting Labour in charge could make matters at best more complicated, at worse chaotic. Uncertainty.

So a huge element of 'we are where we are and we are on this path'.

This time next year will see different poll results.
 
I dont think the "cancel" culture that seems to be eminating from the far left will do Labour any favours come a GE. We need to distance ourselves from this if we have any aspirations of forming a government
 
Lala said:
I’m very surprised to be honest. Especially after reading this forum for the past few months!
Who knows what priorities the majority of
voters have and some are probably more forgiving about the actual difficulties covid would have presented to any government.
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LALA

If you are looking for pointers on the political front it might be an idea to stay of this forum or perhaps stay on here and assume the opposite of what the majority advise.

Referendum, general election, Trump, etc, etc they can't pick the winner of 2 horse races.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Starmer has been a bit disappointing. His tactic of avoiding criticising the government too much during this crisis in order to look moderate and statesmanlike has backfired because it makes the government look more competent than they actually are. Ok Labour's support has increased a little bit but only by the same amount that the Tory lead has increased. In other words, he is doing as badly as Corbyn despite rave reviews in the media.
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I think I can see the problem after Sky News' Sophy Ridge asked Labour's shadow business minister Lucy Powell this morning to name a policy Keir Starmer had come up with his first 100 days in power. Ms Powell struggled to respond, eventually saying that one thing Labour would do is to spend the budget money more wisely. Sophy Ridge persisted "But what I'm confused about is the lack of policy, any policy. Has he got any policy at all? Is Keir Starmer's only policy that he isn't Jeremy Corbyn?"

Ooh painful!
 
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SEASIDE2020 said:
LALA

If you are looking for pointers on the political front it might be an idea to stay of this forum or perhaps stay on here and assume the opposite of what the majority advise.

Referendum, general election, Trump, etc, etc they can't pick the winner of 2 horse races.
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The idea of voting isn't to pick winners. Being in the minority doesn't mean you are any more wrong than being in the majority means you are right. Are you telling me a coalition government would have handled Covid worse than the thumping Tory majority government has? Are you seriously suggesting that Hilary would be a worse president than Trump? Can you say anything about Brexit other than the jury is out still?

Picking winners is for the bookies not for voting choices (though if trying to pick winners is your strategy at the bookies you will be a loser)
 
The real economic impact of the CV has not hit yet. Many people have probably enjoyed the 3-month holiday of being furloughed on 80% wages awarded by Boris. And they are not dead. Even with an estimated 60,000 deaths that’s 1 in 1000 of the population. Most families are unaffected, though a few have been hit hard.

So, YouGov has polled people who, for the most part, have not recognised or been affected by the government incompetence and have little reason to rail against the buffoon. Yet. When furlough ends and redundancies begin that could change. And if there is a 2nd big CV wave this coming winter with another lockdown then Bozo’s uselessness will be obvious.
 
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TheSpiritOf53 said:
The idea of voting isn't to pick winners. Being in the minority doesn't mean you are any more wrong than being in the majority means you are right. Are you telling me a coalition government would have handled Covid worse than the thumping Tory majority government has? Are you seriously suggesting that Hilary would be a worse president than Trump? Can you say anything about Brexit other than the jury is out still?

Picking winners is for the bookies not for voting choices (though if trying to pick winners is your strategy at the bookies you will be a loser)
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53

Thank you for your kind advice but my post had nothing to do with voting or picking winners or the Government's handling of the virus.

I was merely pointing out that the majority on here have a terrible record when it comes to predicting the outcome of political events.

"Trump will never get nominated"

"Trump will never get elected"

EU referendum, Scottish Independence referendum, etc, etc.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
53

Thank you for your kind advice but my post had nothing to do with voting or picking winners or the Government's handling of the virus.

I was merely pointing out that the majority on here have a terrible record when it comes to predicting the outcome of political events.

"Trump will never get nominated"

"Trump will never get elected"

EU referendum, Scottish Independence referendum, etc, etc.
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To be fair it was the media and the bookies who were predicting a defeat for Trump and Brexit. People were just repeating the perceived wisdom. The bookies gave Trump a 15% chance of winning and Brexit a 25% chance. They were both big underdogs, Brexit unjustifiably so.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
To be fair it was the media and the bookies who were predicting a defeat for Trump and Brexit. People were just repeating the perceived wisdom. The bookies gave Trump a 15% chance of winning and Brexit a 25% chance. They were both big underdogs, Brexit unjustifiably so.
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53

Again, not a big problem but it is you who has introduced the bookmakers and their odds - something I do find very interesting and could discuss forever and a day - I merely stated that the majority on here have a very poor record when it comes to predicting the outcome of political events. You are right when you suggest that Trump and Brexit were second favourites but surely that makes the majority on here even worse, they even manage to get massive short ones turned over 😂
 
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