January 2024 Transfer thread.

Kyle Seasider said:
I agree, he's been playing all season with an injury so league 1 definitely hasn't seen the best of him yet. He also isn't happy at Carlisle and has been accused of downing tools as his work rate just isn't what it was last season. I'd be happy if we signed him.
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Really hope this is a goer as Carlisle are destined for relegation, and Moxon still hasn't signed a contract despite being offered one in JULY and Carlisle won't want to lose him for nothing in the Summer.

Think it's very easy to look at their position and scoff at the potential of signing him, but the stats suggest he has been one of the best players in League 1 this season.

His performance so far by the numbers compared to other League 1 midfielders (per FotMob):

-91st percentile in chances created.
-96th percentile in successful crosses.
-97th percentile in successful dribbles.
-100th percentile in tackles won.
-100th percentile in duels won.
-98th percentile in aerial duels won.
-81st percentile in interceptions.
-92nd percentile in shot accuracy.

I will be fair and include the less desirable stats too..

-1st percentile in dispossessions.
-1st percentile in dribbled past.
-27th percentile in pass accuracy.
-53rd percentile in long ball accuracy.

WhoseScored Average Match Rating= 7.03 (35 out of 359 League 1 players, 97th percentile)
-The only players we have who are rated higher are Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, James Husband at 7.08 (Karamoko Dembele is at 6.95).

FotMob Average Match Rating= 7.36 (18 out of 359 League 1 players, 98th percentile)
-We do not have any players rated higher than that and the closest ones are James Husband at 7.32, Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, and Karamoko Dembele at 7.24.

The stats indicate to me that he is exactly what we need; a central midfielder who sits deeper than someone like Dembele who can progress the ball, create chances, and still work hard to carry the load defensively.

He certainly has his drawbacks as he is VERY wasteful with the ball, but in a better team I think he would do even better.

In fact, when you factor in that he has been playing on a putrid team, he becomes even more appealing to me. With teams paying close attention to Dembele, Rhodes, and Hamilton, adding Moxon into the mix would allow him to thrive.

There it is, argue with your mothers, because numbers (often) don't lie. 😉
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Really hope this is a goer as Carlisle are destined for relegation, and Moxon still hasn't signed a contract despite being offered one in JULY and Carlisle won't want to lose him for nothing in the Summer.

Think it's very easy to look at their position and scoff at the potential of signing him, but the stats suggest he has been one of the best players in League 1 this season.

His performance so far by the numbers compared to other League 1 midfielders (per FotMob):

-91st percentile in chances created.
-96th percentile in successful crosses.
-97th percentile in successful dribbles.
-100th percentile in tackles won.
-100th percentile in duels won.
-98th percentile in aerial duels won.
-81st percentile in interceptions.
-92nd percentile in shot accuracy.

I will be fair and include the less desirable stats too..

-1st percentile in dispossessions.
-1st percentile in dribbled past.
-27th percentile in pass accuracy.
-53rd percentile in long ball accuracy.

WhoseScored Average Match Rating= 7.03 (35 out of 359 League 1 players, 97th percentile)
-The only players we have who are rated higher are Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, James Husband at 7.08 (Karamoko Dembele is at 6.95).

FotMob Average Match Rating= 7.36 (18 out of 359 League 1 players, 98th percentile)
-We do not have any players rated higher than that and the closest ones are James Husband at 7.32, Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, and Karamoko Dembele at 7.24.

The stats indicate to me that he is exactly what we need; a central midfielder who sits deeper than someone like Dembele who can progress the ball, create chances, and still work hard to carry the load defensively.

He certainly has his drawbacks as he is VERY wasteful with the ball, but in a better team I think he would do even better.

In fact, when you factor in that he has been playing on a putrid team, he becomes even more appealing to me. With teams paying close attention to Dembele, Rhodes, and Hamilton, adding Moxon into the mix would allow him to thrive.

There it is, argue with your mothers, because numbers (often) don't lie. 😉
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I heard he's has a decent festive period, scored a cracker and got into the league 1 team of the week. He might be getting over his hip injury now. Apparantly hes also at his best when he plays the same role as Dougall, sits deeper and picks out his passes, theyve had him playing more of a box to box role this year. If we are going to lose Dougall then he could be his replacement.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
I heard he's has a decent festive period, scored a cracker and got into the league 1 team of the week. He might be getting over his hip injury now. Apparantly hes also at his best when he plays the same role as Dougall, sits deeper and picks out his passes, theyve had him playing more of a box to box role this year. If we are going to lose Dougall then he could be his replacement.
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Agreed, slightly different players as Dougall is more committed to the nitty gritty aspect and Moxon is more advanced, but would work for me.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Really hope this is a goer as Carlisle are destined for relegation, and Moxon still hasn't signed a contract despite being offered one in JULY and Carlisle won't want to lose him for nothing in the Summer.

Think it's very easy to look at their position and scoff at the potential of signing him, but the stats suggest he has been one of the best players in League 1 this season.

His performance so far by the numbers compared to other League 1 midfielders (per FotMob):

-91st percentile in chances created.
-96th percentile in successful crosses.
-97th percentile in successful dribbles.
-100th percentile in tackles won.
-100th percentile in duels won.
-98th percentile in aerial duels won.
-81st percentile in interceptions.
-92nd percentile in shot accuracy.

I will be fair and include the less desirable stats too..

-1st percentile in dispossessions.
-1st percentile in dribbled past.
-27th percentile in pass accuracy.
-53rd percentile in long ball accuracy.

WhoseScored Average Match Rating= 7.03 (35 out of 359 League 1 players, 97th percentile)
-The only players we have who are rated higher are Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, James Husband at 7.08 (Karamoko Dembele is at 6.95).

FotMob Average Match Rating= 7.36 (18 out of 359 League 1 players, 98th percentile)
-We do not have any players rated higher than that and the closest ones are James Husband at 7.32, Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, and Karamoko Dembele at 7.24.

The stats indicate to me that he is exactly what we need; a central midfielder who sits deeper than someone like Dembele who can progress the ball, create chances, and still work hard to carry the load defensively.

He certainly has his drawbacks as he is VERY wasteful with the ball, but in a better team I think he would do even better.

In fact, when you factor in that he has been playing on a putrid team, he becomes even more appealing to me. With teams paying close attention to Dembele, Rhodes, and Hamilton, adding Moxon into the mix would allow him to thrive.

There it is, argue with your mothers, because numbers (often) don't lie. 😉
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There was a time when you judged a player on what you saw, stats never tell the full picture
 
tangysider said:
There was a time when you judged a player on what you saw, stats never tell the full picture
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Yeah and that led to overvaluing of players who might have looked good, but actually weren’t.

The eye test is important, but never tells the full story.

A player can actually be doing quite well, but if they are constantly in the losing team they’ll never actually look good, which is where stats come in and the stats say that Moxon is still quite a good player.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Yeah and that led to overvaluing of players who might have looked good, but actually weren’t.

The eye test is important, but never tells the full story.

A player can actually be doing quite well, but if they are constantly in the losing team they’ll never actually look good, which is where stats come in and the stats say that Moxon is still quite a good player.
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My eye told me that Thomas of Bristol Rovers looked a very good player no idea what stats tell us
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Really hope this is a goer as Carlisle are destined for relegation, and Moxon still hasn't signed a contract despite being offered one in JULY and Carlisle won't want to lose him for nothing in the Summer.

Think it's very easy to look at their position and scoff at the potential of signing him, but the stats suggest he has been one of the best players in League 1 this season.

His performance so far by the numbers compared to other League 1 midfielders (per FotMob):

-91st percentile in chances created.
-96th percentile in successful crosses.
-97th percentile in successful dribbles.
-100th percentile in tackles won.
-100th percentile in duels won.
-98th percentile in aerial duels won.
-81st percentile in interceptions.
-92nd percentile in shot accuracy.

I will be fair and include the less desirable stats too..

-1st percentile in dispossessions.
-1st percentile in dribbled past.
-27th percentile in pass accuracy.
-53rd percentile in long ball accuracy.

WhoseScored Average Match Rating= 7.03 (35 out of 359 League 1 players, 97th percentile)
-The only players we have who are rated higher are Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, James Husband at 7.08 (Karamoko Dembele is at 6.95).

FotMob Average Match Rating= 7.36 (18 out of 359 League 1 players, 98th percentile)
-We do not have any players rated higher than that and the closest ones are James Husband at 7.32, Jordan Rhodes at 7.28, and Karamoko Dembele at 7.24.

The stats indicate to me that he is exactly what we need; a central midfielder who sits deeper than someone like Dembele who can progress the ball, create chances, and still work hard to carry the load defensively.

He certainly has his drawbacks as he is VERY wasteful with the ball, but in a better team I think he would do even better.

In fact, when you factor in that he has been playing on a putrid team, he becomes even more appealing to me. With teams paying close attention to Dembele, Rhodes, and Hamilton, adding Moxon into the mix would allow him to thrive.

There it is, argue with your mothers, because numbers (often) don't lie. 😉
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The fact that Dembele is on 6.95 pretty much renders the stats as useless. 😆
 
voyeur said:
The fact that Dembele is on 6.95 pretty much renders the stats as useless. 😆
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Kaddy is probably lower because his first couple appearances were substitute appearances with little time to make an impact. If per 90’ stats were controlled for he’d easily be above a 7 average.
 
Character, and work ethic are as important as any stats. Bet Man U and Chelsea wish they’d done more diligence on Sancho and lukaku
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Kaddy is probably lower because his first couple appearances were substitute appearances with little time to make an impact. If per 90’ stats were controlled for he’d easily be above a 7 average.
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We don't know how good Moxon is. I'm not convinced he's better than what we have, but I'd be happy if we signed him I guess. Especially with the Dougall situation. He's 26 in two weeks though, he's not got the development time that Morgan and Carey have. And he's really just had one good L2 season. How much would you splash on him? And weren't there Championship clubs interested in the summer?
 
voyeur said:
We don't know how good Moxon is. I'm not convinced he's better than what we have, but I'd be happy if we signed him I guess. Especially with the Dougall situation. He's 26 in two weeks though, he's not got the development time that Morgan and Carey have. And he's really just had one good L2 season. How much would you splash on him? And weren't there Championship clubs interested in the summer?
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We actually do know how good Moxon is. The stats indicate he’s an upper League 1 caliber player.

Think he is better than Morgan and Carey.

With only 6 months left I wouldn’t spend more than 250k and we can get him for that price I’d be delighted.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
We actually do know how good Moxon is. The stats indicate he’s an upper League 1 caliber player.

Think he is better than Morgan and Carey.

With only 6 months left I wouldn’t spend more than 250k and we can get him for that price I’d be delighted.
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We offered £300k in the summer. They wanted over £1m. He has 6 months left on his contract, doesn't look like he's interested in signing a new one, hasn't lit up league one, he's carrying an injury as well so that will put alot of club's off. I think if we go back in with the same offer as we made in the summer we could get him. There are better MF out there if we want to pay more, but for that price I think he's the best we would get.
 
Just hope we don't compress everything into the last day of the window, with potential losses of players and scrambling around for replacements
 
AmericanTangerine said:
We actually do know how good Moxon is. The stats indicate he’s an upper League 1 caliber player.

Think he is better than Morgan and Carey.

With only 6 months left I wouldn’t spend more than 250k and we can get him for that price I’d be delighted.
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We'll see. He's older than Carey and Morgan. If we can get him for 250 ish great, but I'll believe it if it happens. There would competition at that kind of price I suspect.
 
I also think Moxon would be a good addition at 25/26 6ft plus, but how big an asset in Critchley,s system remains to be seen if it happens. I’ve also watched Tirrell Thomas’s videos & have to say he offers all the ability we need in a CB & he is clearly 2 footed. With Rob Apter back in the fold things could change for the better. A Jack Marriott type striker would be nice !
 
Rhodes still not recalled. I've noticed Huddersfield have today recalled one of their players from a season long loan spell.

Could no news be good news?
 
Kyle Seasider said:
Think I might stay off social media this month. Quick look through twater and I've seen rumours about Apter signing for Tranmere, someone's who says his uncle know Rhodes agents brother and he's defo signing permanently with us, another saying we already have agreed personal terms with Moxon and are just negotiating a fee and another one saying we will be announcing Thomas from Charlton in the next couple of days. Silly season is well and truly upon us.
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Another one to add to this is that Apter is now signing for Wrexham permanently even though he can't play for them till the summer. 😅
 
Pun_1 said:
Did think that but would have thought they wouldn’t want us risking him in a cup game and them wanting to integrate him back into their squad at the earliest opportunity.
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I get the feeling that they're looking at Rhodes as a last option. They're seeing if they can get someone better and if they can't only then will they bring him back. This could drag on until the last day that they can drag it out too. However, I have read that they can only recall him upto a certain date, so if he does go we will have time to bring someone else in.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
Another one to add to this is that Apter is now signing for Wrexham permanently even though he can't play for them till the summer. 😅
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I've seen this, it's so blatantly false that it's laughable. He now changed and said that Apter is going back to Tranmere on a permanent deal. I dont know why people even listen to these accounts, but some do get sucked in by them.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
I get the feeling that they're looking at Rhodes as a last option. They're seeing if they can get someone better and if they can't only then will they bring him back. This could drag on until the last day that they can drag it out too. However, I have read that they can only recall him upto a certain date, so if he does go we will have time to bring someone else in.
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Yeah I get that feeling but it feels kind of positive that they have not yet recalled him. They have brought someone in on loan as you posted yesterday so hopefully fingers crossed they find another forward.

They know he probably doesn't quite fit into the way they play and have had him for the last couple of years warming the bench mainly and must not believe he can do a job for them. Added to the fact he's enjoying his time with us.
 
bleed_the_freak said:
Just been sat in Starbucks in Huddersfield talking with a bunch of Town fans and as much as they love him over here, they don't think he's the answer to their relegation woes and don't think he'll be recalled..
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If they can’t get anyone else it’s so costly to be relegated that they would be obligated to recall him. Even if he scores half the goals he’s scored for us it’s still more than they are getting now and goals win games. He is the lowest cost most proven option for them. If the Huddersfield manager is smart he’ll watch our games and figure out what our team gives Rhodes that his team did not.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Then unless BFC have a player of interest to them, I’d recall him to Huddersfield
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Or we offer them a fee. Won't be high but would get him off their wage bill and put a little bit of money in their bank. Rhodes has really struggled in the Championship the last 2 seasons so ita not like he's gaurenteed to set Huddersfields attack on fire if he goes back.
 
Theoneandonly said:
They might also be trying to encourage interest. Last chance to get anything for him.
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No he is under 24, so as long as we offer him an improved contract the buying club have to pay us an agreed fee or a tribunal decided fee! I presume you are referring to Apter?
 
Just seen that Nitts County look set to lose their manager to Swansea. That could make a few of their players open to leaving. Wonder if that would make Langstaff available. His fee would probably still be high, but he one of the few League 2 players that really looks like they could make the step up with ease.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
Just seen that Nitts County look set to lose their manager to Swansea. That could make a few of their players open to leaving. Wonder if that would make Langstaff available. His fee would probably still be high, but he one of the few League 2 players that really looks like they could make the step up with ease.
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He'd probably take him to Swanea and free up Jerry to return on loan. 😄
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
Or we offer them a fee. Won't be high but would get him off their wage bill and put a little bit of money in their bank. Rhodes has really struggled in the Championship the last 2 seasons so ita not like he's gaurenteed to set Huddersfields attack on fire if he goes back.
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Hold your nerve time I think but I agree, offer about 100k as an incentive. Dangle a carrot.
 
Theoneandonly said:
If they can’t get anyone else it’s so costly to be relegated that they would be obligated to recall him. Even if he scores half the goals he’s scored for us it’s still more than they are getting now and goals win games. He is the lowest cost most proven option for them. If the Huddersfield manager is smart he’ll watch our games and figure out what our team gives Rhodes that his team did not.
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He only scored 16 goals in the Championship in the previous three seasons (5.33 a season) so why would they rush to recall him?
 
1953 said:
He only scored 16 goals in the Championship in the previous three seasons (5.33 a season) so why would they rush to recall him?
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They have to do the best they can with what they’ve got. Let’s round down to five goals, 2-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2. That’s seven points and five goals in their scored column. That could be the difference between relegation or retaining division status.
 
Theoneandonly said:
They have to do the best they can with what they’ve got. Let’s round down to five goals, 2-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2. That’s seven points and five goals in their scored column. That could be the difference between relegation or retaining division status.
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That's very creative accountancy - the 'possible' 5 goals he may, or may not score, would all be game-changers? More realistically, he's on a reported 10 grand a week for the next 4-5 months. A potential £220,000 outlay for five goals?
 
1953 said:
That's very creative accountancy - the 'possible' 5 goals he may, or may not score, would all be game-changers? More realistically, he's on a reported 10 grand a week for the next 4-5 months. A potential £220,000 outlay for five goals?
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No I averaged down to five goals which is what he’s scored the last three seasons. Had him win two, lose one and draw one and suggested those points might make the difference. You can only make the best choice you can with the data you have.
 
Theoneandonly said:
They have to do the best they can with what they’ve got. Let’s round down to five goals, 2-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2. That’s seven points and five goals in their scored column. That could be the difference between relegation or retaining division status.
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He's scored 25 league goals in the previous 5 seasons, including 16 in the ladt 3, in the Championship. 5 goals a season on average. That's whole seasons, but less than half a season remains, so he'd be due about 2 goals between now and the end of the season.
 
voyeur said:
He's scored 25 league goals in the previous 5 seasons, including 16 in the ladt 3, in the Championship. 5 goals a season on average. That's whole seasons, but less than half a season remains, so he'd be due about 2 goals between now and the end of the season.
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His confidence is higher than it’s been in years and a good backend to the season will guarantee a deal somewhere next season so he is motivated. That said let’s stick with your two goals. 1-0,1-0 equals six points. I’d take him back just so I know I’m doing everything to stay up. Relegation is costly.
 
Theoneandonly said:
His confidence is higher than it’s been in years and a good backend to the season will guarantee a deal somewhere next season so he is motivated. That said let’s stick with your two goals. 1-0,1-0 equals six points. I’d take him back just so I know I’m doing everything to stay up. Relegation is costly.
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That's assuming that an alternative striker taking up the same squad place would score zero goals.
 
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