Why do we have a striker issue?

Shiggy

Shiggy

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Nuttall, Hardie, Madine, Yates

is it poor recruitment, or is it that they haven’t been under the right management? I look at those 4 players and struggle to work out why none of them have been successful with us yet, especially due to the fact they were highly rated when they came in.
Seen a lot of posts about lack of service, which is also strange considering we have about 7 players who could play out wide or in number 10 role.
What’s missing?

p.s. I still have complete faith Yates will come good
 
Shiggy said:
Nuttall, Hardie, Madine, Yates

is it poor recruitment, or is it that they haven’t been under the right management? I look at those 4 players and struggle to work out why none of them have been successful with us yet, especially due to the fact they were highly rated when they came in.
Seen a lot of posts about lack of service, which is also strange considering we have about 7 players who could play out wide or in number 10 role.
What’s missing?

p.s. I still have complete faith Yates will come good
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A combinaton of poor recruitment, poor coaching, poor tactics and being poor players.
 
I'm afraid it's initially down to poor recruitment whoevers fault that is.. He/they thought Yates could do a good job down the middle. I don't think he can. So that leaves just Madine who can play that role but there's many better players than him out there. So for me we are woefully weak in that position. Hardie and Nuttall? Well, I keep saying this but go on then I'll say it again. He wants an entire new team. Will any of the outfield players we had under Grayson be starting in our last game of the season? Not so sure, especially if he's still in charge. Which I hope he is..
 
Wizaard said:
Our forwards are starved of service and playing as individuals anyway when they do get it.
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I think that is the crux of it. At best they have been feeding on scraps. We would all like to see a more cohesive front 3 with better linking between them but again this doesnt simply happen overnight.
 
Wizaard said:
Our forwards are starved of service and playing as individuals anyway when they do get it.
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Spot on.

We definitely could have better strikers but it's a moot point as they're mainly decorative.

The Goal Machine at least occupies a defence a bit and we've singularly failed to work out how to even get the ball to Yates.
 
Madine signed on a high wage so nobody would take him off us, in an ideal world he would of moved on and Critch would of had a decent wage to replace him.
 
We have lots of wide midfielders, so try CJ alongside Madine, ie 2 up front & get some crosses in!
Simple!
 
Hazi said:
Madine signed on a high wage so nobody would take him off us, in an ideal world he would of moved on and Critch would of had a decent wage to replace him.
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Is it not reasonable to think that instead of bringing in so many left backs, so many midfield players, so many wide men, that the wages we are paying them could have been put to better use by bringing in a replacement for Madine? In other words the money must have been there to do it. It's more a case that Critchley or Johnson got their priorities wrong.
 
Nuttall & Hardie was poor recruitment. Both players came with promise and I must admit at the time of their signings I was full of optimism thinking that both of these lads were a statement of intent, alas I am confident to now post both these lads in the not good enough and poor signings box. Madine is a proven striker and would score goals in the right set up, I feel with him it’s a coaching & playing style issue and as for Yates the jury is still out on this lad at this level, sometimes it just needs to ’click’, could end up scoring a hattrick in the next game and go on to score twenty goals for us??
 
A lack of a midfield and creativity in the middle. At least we had Feeney and the Gnands last season
 
Hazi said:
Madine signed on a high wage so nobody would take him off us, in an ideal world he would of moved on and Critch would of had a decent wage to replace him.
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Not correct as players like Madine have wages capped at 1.8k a week so absolutely no reason to get rid of him as you wouldn't replace him for that wage
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Not correct as players like Madine have wages capped at 1.8k a week so absolutely no reason to get rid of him as you wouldn't replace him for that wage
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He was before the cap, I believe in the region of 5k a week, folk offering similar and less to what you suggest to take on loan and yes then thought better to keep hold as will struggle to get better for 1.5k a week. (We were trying before cap came in)
 
Hazi said:
He was before the cap, I believe in the region of 5k a week, folk offering similar and less to what you suggest to take on loan and yes then thought better to keep hold as will struggle to get better for 1.5k a week. (We were trying before cap came in)
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If his contract stipulates £5k pw am I right in assuming that's what Pool will have to and still be paying him?
 
Madine’s basic is 5.5k a week.

We’ve have paid some high wages out at that position, the return on investment has been appalling.

Nuttall 3.5 k pw basic wage. Scary.
 
20togo said:
Is it not reasonable to think that instead of bringing in so many left backs, so many midfield players, so many wide men, that the wages we are paying them could have been put to better use by bringing in a replacement for Madine? In other words the money must have been there to do it. It's more a case that Critchley or Johnson got their priorities wrong.
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You don't cover the point I made in my post as shown Hazi.
 
Hazi said:
Madine signed on a high wage so nobody would take him off us, in an ideal world he would of moved on and Critch would of had a decent wage to replace him.
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20togo said:
You don't cover the point I made in my post as shown Hazi.
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Wouldn't mind an answer. I appreciate you have a link into the club, so I was just wondering what your thoughts were with regards to my reply to your post?.
 
20togo said:
You don't cover the point I made in my post as shown Hazi.
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Signed 6 players I think it was pre wage cap to make the basis of the team, CJ and Yeats on more than wage cap. I still hold hope for the pair of them coming good, strikers especially seasoned prolific ones do not come cheap and are not freely available. If Madine had gone to another club before the cap came in then we would of signed another arguably better seasoned striker on good money. Two players for every position was the plan.
 
Hazi said:
Signed 6 players I think it was pre wage cap to make the basis of the team, CJ and Yeats on more than wage cap. I still hold hope for the pair of them coming good, strikers especially seasoned prolific ones do not come cheap and are not freely available. If Madine had gone to another club before the cap came in then we would of signed another arguably better seasoned striker on good money. Two players for every position was the plan.
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thanks for the reply
 
clappers said:
Correct. We have a striker problem because we haven’t played any phookin strikers in 70% of the games we’ve played!
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But we only play 1 out and out striker per game in Neils set up, so I can see why he thinks that he doesn't need anymore and didn't require the services of Hardie or Nuttall.

We're supposed to be playing fluid wide men with 1 striker as a focal false 9 type player. Liverpool have Firminio and Origi as strikers. Neil is emulating that with Yates and Madine. I don't think Liverpool have any other recognised strikers. They then have the fluid inverted type strikers in Mane/Salah/Jota/Minamino/Shaquiri that can play there. We have Kemp/Kaikai/Woodburn/Lubala/CJ and anyone else I've missed.
 
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