How was I to know?

catinstalbans

catinstalbans

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A week ago I posted on twitter that anti-vaxxers would be holding coronavirus parties to deliberately catch this "mild" infection.
How was I to know that Boris Johnson was going to make this government policy.
 
catinstalbans said:
A week ago I posted on twitter that anti-vaxxers would be holding coronavirus parties to deliberately catch this "mild" infection.
How was I to know that Boris Johnson was going to make this government policy.
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Listen to the scientific advice you buffoon. Locking down now is pointless as itll only come back and what then lock down again? It will lose effectiveness and wont stop the virus.

Do you want it to come back in winter at the peak?

There is no ideal solution a vaccine will not be ready in a year or maybe more.

All they can do is manage it so to flatten the peak to limit cases and reduce strain on the nhs.
 
The scientific advice from the WHO disagrees with the British standpoint. Social distancing and tracking of victims has worked in getting the disease under control in China and South Korea. I'd trust the world's epidemiologists over a British behavioural scientist dependant on Johnson's favour for his job.
 
Also the British position appears to be based on evidence from the Spanish Flu pandemic after World War One. Covid-19 is not flu.
 
catinstalbans said:
The scientific advice from the WHO disagrees with the British standpoint. Social distancing and tracking of victims has worked in getting the disease under control in China and South Korea. I'd trust the world's epidemiologists over a British behavioural scientist dependant on Johnson's favour for his job.
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The government is moving towards things like that to be done at the right time. Every country is different and what works in china wont necessarily work here.

How long are South Korea going to keep that up? For years? People would lose faith in it after time especially here and when it's most needed they wont follow it.

This is going to come back year upon year and until the population gets some immunity to it theres not much else to do but manage it.

Let's see how it goes before we criticise without knowing the outcomes and if they have worked.
 
catinstalbans said:
A week ago I posted on twitter that anti-vaxxers would be holding coronavirus parties to deliberately catch this "mild" infection.
How was I to know that Boris Johnson was going to make this government policy.
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I was hoping we had got rid of this🤡. Unfortunately he has found his way across, block coming up.
 
So it's not just the scientists at the WHO and every other country in the world thinks that the Conservative government has got it wrong. It's also UK scientists that are not dependant on the government for their jobs and scientists at Harvard and Boston that think the policy will fail.
 
catinstalbans said:
So it's not just the scientists at the WHO and every other country in the world thinks that the Conservative government has got it wrong. It's also UK scientists that are not dependant on the government for their jobs and scientists at Harvard and Boston that think the policy will fail.
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So when the old people staying in doors comes in soon is that not the better thing to do seeing as all the deaths so far are from that group?

Let the general population get it as there is no real choice long term, but manage it and then build up an immunity.

Rather than lock whole countries down.

Have you assessed what lock downs do in that other vital supplies may be at risk from supply chains going down. Other medicines maybe at risk which if not received will be worse for some people than coronavirus.

If a country is in lockdown we need food so food shops and pharmacies etc so the products need delivering, making, packing etc. We need petrol stations open.

The skeleton crew needed to run a country is still in the millions and the virus still spreads and is then taken home to the rest isolating.

This would reduce the problem and effectively puts it on hold and as soon as we open up it's back again and may come back at a time we don't want. Also if we need to lock down again the effectiveness is reduced.

One final point but lots don't listen and the longer we are locked down the less people listen and the virus can spread like that anyway.
 
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No one, including the experts, really know the best way to proceed.

South Korea avoided a lockdown but implemented massive testing, monitoring and treatment early doors. That boat has probably sailed for us in the West.

Mainland Europe have gone for lockdown but admit they don’t know if that will work.

So far we’ve avoided lockdown but it’s supposed to be in the pipeline and only a question of timing.
 
None of the countries going for lockdown are preventing food and medicine being obtained. What they are doing is encouraging social distancing and trying to prevent infection of the population rather than encouraging it.
 
You might have known” Cat “ would be back with their Usual balanced opinion....NOT.

It genuinely saddens me that some people have to turn a difficult and almost unprecedented situation that just not us but much if not all of the world faces into an opportunity to have a “political dig “, but then Cat as usual really can’t help it.
 
Hancock on the Andrew Marr show has confirmed lockdown for the over 70s is coming. It’s just a matter of time.

Keeping their options open re mass gatherings and closing bars, restaurants etc.

Police to have power to arrest people on the street who appear to be sick.

They will do whatever is necessary.
 
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Always good to have a different perspective. Personally I think Johnson is way out of his depth but do have a bit of sympathy for the situation he is in.
I also think they will U turn on their policy of infecting as many as possible because in the end the only numbers the public will take notice of are those in the death column.
 
Where has this notion that the government want as many people to be infected come from? Literally the first piece of advice earlier this week from the PM was to stay at home if you have even the mildest of symptoms.

People will hear what they want to hear. The idea of herd immunity has been mentioned because it's a thing, not because it's being pursued as policy. Can anyone provide a link to a government member saying specifically that they want 40m people to become infected? I'll save you the time, you won't be able to find one.

The banning of public gatherings isn't a u turn either, it's always been planned but the policy was to not do it too early.

I really do think some people need to get their news from places other than Twitter and Facebook.
 
catinstalbans said:
Putting money before people's lives is a morality issue not a political one.
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The problem is yours always are politically orientated .You simply can’t resist it.

I really don’t know why I even open up one of your posts because one way or another you will turn it into a political point scoring opportunity.So I won’t bother in future as you don’t bring anything to the table other than the usual rant.
 
BFC_53 said:
Where has this notion that the government want as many people to be infected come from? Literally the first piece of advice earlier this week from the PM was to stay at home if you have even the mildest of symptoms.

People will hear what they want to hear. The idea of herd immunity has been mentioned because it's a thing, not because it's being pursued as policy. Can anyone provide a link to a government member saying specifically that they want 40m people to become infected? I'll save you the time, you won't be able to find one.

The banning of public gatherings isn't a u turn either, it's always been planned but the policy was to not do it too early.

I really do think some people need to get their news from places other than Twitter and Facebook.
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From the Government's Chief scientist.
 
BFC_53 said:
Where has this notion that the government want as many people to be infected come from?
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The notion has come from the fact that the CSA has said that we are going for a herd immunity approach to dealing with the disease. That means we need at least 60% to become infected to give us the herd immunity and that was used as the justification for not banning large gatherings. The sporting authorities and others (like care homes) have simply ignored the government and implemented their own policies.
The trouble with the government's approach is that it is very unclear how many of those 60% will need hospital care and it is unclear if people can be reinfected by the virus. Social isolation slows the spread of the disease and eases resources on the NHS, the idea is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. My daughter works in an ITU and what they are expecting is grim, I won't go into details but this really is a national emergency.
There is a simulation here that shows how isolating people can work in damping demand for services;

Coronavirus Infection Simulation

This is really interesting, it's vastly simplified but shows the effect of 'social distancing' on the overall spread. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR0SSZ-GlNiOAEDdKScbpFnW3LxY8JdLXXsn8u3tN0_uUgTfeYk3sBs5izY
avftt.co.uk
 
catinstalbans said:
Also the British position appears to be based on evidence from the Spanish Flu pandemic after World War One. Covid-19 is not flu.
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60 million died in 1918 worldwide with a smaller population and no intercontinental same day travel like now.
I know which one i would prefer to have.........
 
southshorepool said:
From the Government's Chief scientist.
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He has said that herd immunity would be a good thing long term, however the way everyone is phrasing this suggests the government are actively trying to get everyone infected as soon as possible, which isnt true. I say that because the plan has always been to adopt similar measures to other countries, the question is timing. Whether we've got the timing right is highly debatable.
I guess we'll soon find out whether the action we've taken is correct or not.
 
A word of advice cat:

Your entitled, “always right” attitude is exactly why people lost faith in the Labour Party and voted Brexit. People are sick of virtue signalling nobodies telling them what they can and can’t do, and preaching moral supremacy.

If anything, your political posts are self-destructive - you make people want to vote against you.
 
Letting in thousands from Northern Italy and then Madrid and possibly from other hotspots and then not screening/isolating them has probably caused a lot of our boats to sail.
Boris was slow to get his finger out wasn’t he and didn’t chair a Cobra meeting until the 2nd of March.
Having said all that hindsight is wonderful and I don’t envy them in the difficult decisions they now have to make.
 
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When did this clown get a log in?

Where’s that ignore button. 🙌
 
Cat is probably in sulking mode because they haven't closed schools yet.

I'm just glad that none of my children are taught by him. Dread to think what he tries to drum into them.
 
I'd be surprised and disappointed if any teacher, including CAT, in a High school is sulking about schools not shutting with GCSE'S imminent
 
What I've told my students is that we should follow the advice of public health England who have better qualified scientists than I am to make a judgement.
Personally I think they are wrong and we should be guided by the WHO, but hey I am a professional.
 
Another thread where posters see username, posters decide if they like username, if they don't, posters don't read post, but decide the original poster is wrong anyway.
 
The day Cat posts a football related post is the day I get my arse out in Burtons shop window! FFS this guy just can’t help himself...... he really doesn’t give a toss about the virus or people’s health - just an excuse to spout his political views. AGAIN!
 
After this crisis plays out, we will find out just whether the government’s approach has achieved the lower numbers of deaths it is aiming for. It’s essential that everything it does is scrutinised and when mistakes are made for them to be rectified. But right now, the worst thing would be to accuse scientists and their fellow public servants of anything like bad faith.


In fact, one of the most significant things Vallance said today was this: “We should be prepared to change our minds as the evidence changes. We cannot go in with a fixed plan that is immutable.” He’s ready to change tack, as long as there is evidence to do so.‌


When he was appointed as chief scientist last year, Vallance gave an interview to a specialist science website when he said: “Senior politicians turn to me when they want to hear the unvarnished truth on issues. They don’t have to then take [my advice] but I’m not worried about speaking scientific truth to power.”


Every armchair expert on coronavirus should remember that in the life-changing weeks ahead.
 
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