EU Selfish on shellfish

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tangysider

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I see they have banned UK shellfish imports indefinitely. They have been happy to take these shellfish for years when the seas were more polluted, and are still happy to use them if they are caught by a EU boat a few miles offshore.
I do not think we should just let this second blatant breach of free trade just pass by after the vaccine debacle without any reprisals.
Do not want to start trade wars but the EU are showing their true colours.
 
tangysider said:
I see they have banned UK shellfish imports indefinitely. They have been happy to take these shellfish for years when the seas were more polluted, and are still happy to use them if they are caught by a EU boat a few miles offshore.
I do not think we should just let this second blatant breach of free trade just pass by after the vaccine debacle without any reprisals.
Do not want to start trade wars but the EU are showing their true colours.
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The rules haven't changed. We are no longer part of the EU so now have to follow the rules that apply to non-EU countries. It is called Brexit and is what the country voted for.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
They are applying the rules that apply to all third party countries and after Brexit we are now a third party country. If they made an exception for us then all third party countries would expect the same special treatment.

Brexit meant Brexit.
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So the trade agreement we made with EU
specifically exempted shellfish, maybe also vaccines?
You are intelligent enough to know that the reality is they will seek to punish the UK wherever they can, but it does not suit your agenda to do anything but offer blind support to EU.
By the way I voted to remain, but now glad we are out
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I cancelled my Con Club membership and they wouldn't let me in to buy a pint afterwards. They'd taken my money all those years before that as well.
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?????
What a weak argument
They made a free trade agreement but are using any excuse to break it.
Using your analogy although you left the club, you were sold a ticket to a function there that they refused to honour
 
tangysider said:
So the trade agreement we made with EU
specifically exempted shellfish, maybe also vaccines?
You are intelligent enough to know that the reality is they will seek to punish the UK wherever they can, but it does not suit your agenda to do anything but offer blind support to EU.
By the way I voted to remain, but now glad we are out
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The free trade agreement signed was to remove tariffs not to be a member of the CU and Single Market. If the UK government wanted to remove these restrictions they could have done that by becoming part of the Single Market - our government chose not to do this so I cannot see how we can criticise the EU for implementing their rules for countries that are outside the Single Market.

Many people pointed these issues out prior to (and after) the Brexit vote so don't be surprised when they are now being implemented.
 
tangysider said:
I see they have banned UK shellfish imports indefinitely. They have been happy to take these shellfish for years when the seas were more polluted, and are still happy to use them if they are caught by a EU boat a few miles offshore.
I do not think we should just let this second blatant breach of free trade just pass by after the vaccine debacle without any reprisals.
Do not want to start trade wars but the EU are showing their true colours.
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Did you listen to the leader of the British Shelfish Association on R4 yesterday afternoon? She explained it all very well, no hysteria from her. Apparently, a lot of it is to do with Class A waters and Class B waters. There are hardly any class A British waters. That´s why there has been this change, it seems.
 
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Did you listen to the leader of the British Shelfish Association on R4 yesterday afternoon? She explained it all very well, no hysteria from her. Apparently, a lot of it is to do with Class A waters and Class B waters. There are hardly any class A British waters. That´s why there has been this change, it seems.
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Shellfish, I mean. Getting mixed up with my selfish and shellfish!
 
bollieboy said:
The free trade agreement signed was to remove tariffs not to be a member of the CU and Single Market. If the UK government wanted to remove these restrictions they could have done that by becoming part of the Single Market - our government chose not to do this so I cannot see how we can criticise the EU for implementing their rules for countries that are outside the Single Market.

Many people pointed these issues out prior to (and after) the Brexit vote so don't be surprised when they are now being implemented.
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You do not need to worry about tariffs if you ban the import per se.
Maybe we should ban import of all EU cars unless they allow UK inspectors to go into each factory and sign off each car has not had it's emissions data tampered with?
It is as logical an argument as their ban on Shellfish
 
tangysider said:
So the trade agreement we made with EU
specifically exempted shellfish, maybe also vaccines?
You are intelligent enough to know that the reality is they will seek to punish the UK wherever they can, but it does not suit your agenda to do anything but offer blind support to EU.
By the way I voted to remain, but now glad we are out
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No I don’t know that the “they are out to punish us” conspiracy theory is the reality at all.

And I don’t believe in the QAnon conspiracy theories either.

If the government had wanted this covered off then they should have included it in the agreement it signed. If they didn’t cover it off then it seems either they didn’t care or they screwed up.
 
tangysider said:
You do not need to worry about tariffs if you ban the import per se.
Maybe we should ban import of all EU cars unless they allow UK inspectors to go into each factory and sign off each car has not had it's emissions data tampered with?
It is as logical an argument as their ban on Shellfish
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If that’s covered in the agreement then we’d have the right to require inspectors to go in. If it’s not in the agreement then they we won’t.

Similarly if we wanted the right to export bivalves then it would (or should) be in the agreement. If it’s not in the agreement then we don’t have that right.

Quite easy really.
 
The eu are clearly trying to damage and belittle us .They have made themselves look very foolish to the world in relation to vaccination and the ensuing vindictiveness. They are again showing themselves to all as the slow witted bullies that they are.
 
tangysider said:
You do not need to worry about tariffs if you ban the import per se.
Maybe we should ban import of all EU cars unless they allow UK inspectors to go into each factory and sign off each car has not had it's emissions data tampered with?
It is as logical an argument as their ban on Shellfish
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The imports are not banned. If the shellfish are treated in line with the EU requirements prior to import then there is no problem. These treatments (when we were part of the EU) were previously carried out after shipment. The UK importers don't have the facilities in place to perform the treatment - if they invest in new facilities, and perform the treatment prior to shipment, then they will be able to export again.
 
I don’t agree with this third party country stance, we’re unique, there’s no other third party country that was previously in the Eu. Our waters were, and still are, acceptable for them to fish in. The only issue is we don’t have plants for purification, so either we build them or come to an arrangement with the Eu to use theirs.
 
Its interesting that post-Brexit it is still the EU's fault on these issues that the UK government signed up to and not the UK's government. wonder why that is ? you would expect the right wing press to be holding the government to account for drop-offs in the trade agreement, wouldn't you ? Or maybe a of the UK public are just gullible and suck up what the right wing press say.
 
Matesrates said:
I don’t agree with this third party country stance, we’re unique, there’s no other third party country that was previously in the Eu. Our waters were, and still are, acceptable for them to fish in. The only issue is we don’t have plants for purification, so either we build them or come to an arrangement with the Eu to use theirs.
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That is a viable solution to the problem. I am sure there will be continuation in negotiations to the Trade Agreement for years to come.
 
Ruperthoop said:
The eu are clearly trying to damage and belittle us .They have made themselves look very foolish to the world in relation to vaccination and the ensuing vindictiveness. They are again showing themselves to all as the slow witted bullies that they are.
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Brexit was British made and it is now for the British to deal with. Brexit paranoia won't solve anything. If you don't like the reality of Brexit and the damage it is doing to your country, then maybe support the campaign to at least re-join the Single Market.
 
Matesrates said:
I don’t agree with this third party country stance, we’re unique, there’s no other third party country that was previously in the Eu. Our waters were, and still are, acceptable for them to fish in. The only issue is we don’t have plants for purification, so either we build them or come to an arrangement with the Eu to use theirs.
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We're not unique. That's a very British way of looking at things. You're right about the latter stuff. We don't purify the bivalves, so they won't accept them. Seems reasonable to me.
 
bollieboy said:
The imports are not banned. If the shellfish are treated in line with the EU requirements prior to import then there is no problem. These treatments (when we were part of the EU) were previously carried out after shipment. The UK importers don't have the facilities in place to perform the treatment - if they invest in new facilities, and perform the treatment prior to shipment, then they will be able to export again.
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This, no conspiracies, no bullying, the same rules there have always been. Govt pay for the final clean facilities, rapid transport for a very short shelf life product and off we go.
 
Ruperthoop said:
The eu are clearly trying to damage and belittle us .They have made themselves look very foolish to the world in relation to vaccination and the ensuing vindictiveness. They are again showing themselves to all as the slow witted bullies that they are.
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Perhaps. Unfortunately ... in this case the bully is going to kick the shite out of the bullied until it hurts. No teacher is coming to the rescue.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
No I don’t know that the “they are out to punish us” conspiracy theory is the reality at all.
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Tangerinemoss said:
This, no conspiracies, no bullying, the same rules there have always been. Govt pay for the final clean facilities, rapid transport for a very short shelf life product and off we go.
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Going Up the Pool said:
Perhaps. Unfortunately ... in this case the bully is going to kick the shite out of the bullied until it hurts. No teacher is coming to the rescue.
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I think you are all right. The trade agreement does say something about diverting British food to distant ports so that it perishes and returning consignments if the wrong colour ink is used and seizing English butties. I'm sure it's all in there somewhere.

Good news though. I see that UK shellfish companies are now finding export markets outside the EU. Just as predicted, exports to the EU will be gradually replaced by new customers and they will be the ones with empty shelves.
 
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The E U have been warned back down over the shell fish fiasco or we’ll start to board your fishing boats currently fishing in U.K. waters.


About bloody time. 🇬🇧
 
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There is a dwindling small number that just do not understand that the eu are trying to do the UK serious damage. The eu said as much after they had told that fool Cameron to do one when he went looking for near nothing and got a great deal less than that. They are proving themselves to be really vindictive as the vaccination shambles proved. This has got nothing to do with " brexit paranoia"-whatever that is ? it is something much more serious than that. If the UK goes tit for tat how will that benefit eu countries. There is a great big world out there to trade with.
 
I can’t see anything other than the Eu once again trying to make a point to other members not to consider leaving. We caught shellfish before, we delivered said shellfish to them, and they carried out the cleaning process. That process could easily continue if they wanted it to.
 
Matesrates said:
I can’t see anything other than the Eu once again trying to make a point to other members not to consider leaving. We caught shellfish before, we delivered said shellfish to them, and they carried out the cleaning process. That process could easily continue if they wanted it to.
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Wouldn't that fall outside clause 1296(a)(ii) about punishing English pig dogs for leaving the club?
 
tangysider said:
?????
What a weak argument
They made a free trade agreement but are using any excuse to break it.
Using your analogy although you left the club, you were sold a ticket to a function there that they refused to honour
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Maybe the terms of conditions on the ticket for the function had something about dress code for non members and you turned up in soiled jeans?
 
Latest BBC news: Not just shellfish that are missing, but baked beans and custard creams can't be found on the shelves of European supermarkets. They'll be rioting on the streets there soon.
 
Only had shellfish once and that was on holiday in Spain 20 years ago. They gave me food poisoning because they hadn't been treated / cooked properly and I was ill for days afterwards. Others were affected also. So I don't think any transitional implications of Brexit on shellfidh are unlikely to affect me. I am sure it will get sorted if people put their mind to it in a calm way
 
Tangerinemoss said:
This, no conspiracies, no bullying, the same rules there have always been. Govt pay for the final clean facilities, rapid transport for a very short shelf life product and off we go.
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And to add to that, I’d want to see rapid action to rectify by this Gov.
Not to leave it to small businesses and sole traders to sort out.
Endless policy & legal discussions won’t help anybody right now. Just get it done and let the legal people sort out improvements and red tape reduction in the background, to be brought in as soon as practically possible.
 
tangerine_neil said:
I’d want to see rapid action to rectify by this Gov. Not to leave it to small businesses and sole traders to sort out. Endless policy & legal discussions won’t help anybody right now. Just get it done and let the legal people sort out improvements and red tape reduction in the background, to be brought in as soon as practically possible.
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tangerine_neil said:
... and that applies across the whole of Brexit, not just this case
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What do you suggest? Take France to court because their officials want forms signed in red ink on some days and blue on others?
 
Tangojoe said:
Latest BBC news: Not just shellfish that are missing, but baked beans and custard creams can't be found on the shelves of European supermarkets. They'll be rioting on the streets there soon.
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More now on BBC. Supermarket shelves in Brussels half empty. No bleach, popcorn, clotted cream, digestive biscuits, Cadbury's chocolate etc etc. The shop owners are complaining that they might have to close if they can't get stock from the UK. Talk about cutting your throat to spite your face.
 
Tangojoe said:
Good news though. I see that UK shellfish companies are now finding export markets outside the EU. Just as predicted, exports to the EU will be gradually replaced by new customers and they will be the ones with empty shelve
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Excellent news, what is your source for this?
 
tommytwojags said:
More now on BBC. Supermarket shelves in Brussels half empty. No bleach, popcorn, clotted cream, digestive biscuits, Cadbury's chocolate etc etc. The shop owners are complaining that they might have to close if they can't get stock from the UK. Talk about cutting your throat to spite your face.
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Sadly, to paraphrase your comment in another post on this thread, “exports to the EU will gradually be replaced by other” suppliers. Outside of the U.K.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Sadly, to paraphrase your comment in another post on this thread, “exports to the EU will gradually be replaced by other” suppliers. Outside of the U.K.
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They won’t be able to get our meat & potato pies anywhere else though, even the Chinese can’t match ours.
 
Just sell the fishing licenses to Johnny Foreigner, we don’t even eat shellfish it in the uk...
Apparently we’re £350m a week better off now....😎
 
I posted that exports to the EU will be gradually replaced by new customers

Maybe in Mexboro's mind that equates to “exports to the EU will gradually be replaced by other suppliers. Outside of the U.K."

The complete opposite but what the hell.
 
Tangojoe said:
I posted that exports to the EU will be gradually replaced by new customers

Maybe in Mexboro's mind that equates to “exports to the EU will gradually be replaced by other suppliers. Outside of the U.K."

The complete opposite but what the hell.
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That’s why I used the word “paraphrase”.
 
tangysider said:
?????
What a weak argument
They made a free trade agreement but are using any excuse to break it.
Using your analogy although you left the club, you were sold a ticket to a function there that they refused to honour
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No Boris Johnson told you we made a free trade agreement. Unfortunately some people still believe this lying ass.
 
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I think that it is pretty clear that the Bridlington shellfish company will not 'gradually replace' it's EU customers with other customers because it has just gone out of business making all of it's staff redundant. The owners blame Brexit.
This story is gaining momentum. The Yorkshire Post below expressing some concern and asking for a renegotiation. I thought that we had got Brexit done.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

Loss of Bridlington shellfish firm shows rethink is needed on Brexit trading arrangements: The Yorkshire Post says

IT is a matter of great concern that a pioneering shellfish company on the Yorkshire coast has taken the decision to close after 40 years, citing trading difficulties as a result of Brexit.
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk www.yorkshirepost.co.uk
 
The head of JD Sports spoke on BBC World at One saying that he is probably going to have to open a distribution centre in the EU as Brexit is costing the company millions. That's 1000 new jobs in Europe and redundancies in Rochdale. He is scathing about the Brexit deal.
 
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