Harry Kane

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Something is wrong. In two games, nothing has has stuck when the ball has been played up to him. Usually, everything does. He hasn’t won a challenge, either on the ground or in the air. Is he carrying a knock, or keeping himself intact for a big money move to Citeh ? Either way, he has to go……now ! England have three midfield talents; Grealish, Mount and Foden. They should all be on together, not fed in piecemeal, while Kane and Sterling display their inadequacy . The Czech’s only need a draw to top the Group. Unless the personnel are shaken up, England face an uncertain future in this tournament.
 
I think Kane is a top player but something is off with him lets hope he comes right as for Sterling he is his usual frustrating self not a natural finisher at all.
 
I don't think a striker with a lot riding on his performance should also be the captain. Relieve him of that duty and it may free up his spirit.
 
bfcfan 1960 said:
I think Kane is a top player but something is off with him lets hope he comes right as for Sterling he is his usual frustrating self not a natural finisher at all.
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At least Sterling has scored our only goal so far, also looks more dangerous than Kane.
 
Can’t disagree that he looks slow and sloppy. He’s either injured, exhausted or distracted. Whatever it is, he’s going to have to improve against the CR otherwise DCL should start - something unimaginable a week ago.

As mentioned last night in the match thread, I do wonder if GS has told him to come deep to open up space behind. For me, I’d be working out how we create chances for the player most likely to score them.
 
straightatthewall said:
Can’t disagree that he looks slow and sloppy. He’s either injured, exhausted or distracted. Whatever it is, he’s going to have to improve against the CR otherwise DCL should start - something unimaginable a week ago.

As mentioned last night in the match thread, I do wonder if GS has told him to come deep to open up space behind. For me, I’d be working out how we create chances for the player most likely to score them.
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You'll trigger 20s alarm here. You can't drop Kane.
 
Wizaard said:
You'll trigger 20s alarm here. You can't drop Kane.
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And I’d be in agreement with him to be honest. We don’t have enough quality to entertain the idea of dropping the one player who really is world class. But his performances have been beyond quiet so far. It’s not the lack of goals that concerns me, it’s the all round sluggish play, poor touch and invisibility in general.
 
Kane is world class when fully fit and the team play to his strengths. The supply over the past 2 games has been exceptionally poor, which then results in him dropping deeper to get involved. He just looks leggy to me, in fact I'd say the same for a lot of our players, they just lack any sort of vibrancy (Foden and Grealish aside).
 
When the team is playing sideways football it's no wonder a world class forward isn't looking interested. Sterling's is very poor, his control and passing doesn't help things, it needs to be Foden Harry and Grealish to add a bit of flair.
 
At times last night Kane had 3 defenders around him unless your Messi you getting nowt from that.
The gap between the midfield and forwards was horrendous with Foden and Stirling not getting close to Harry.

Bad night for our captain but the whole team was at fault for his poor performances we needed someone in the middle of the park spraying passes around we ended up with two defenders.
 
We’ve seen this before from Kane, he was poor at Euro 2016, slow, sluggish, yard off it, we’ve seen him like it for Spurs coming back from injury, Champions League Final as an example. I’ve always thought if he’s not completely 100% fit he struggles.

Kane has to be our centre forward as I don’t think there’s an other suitable alternative and I wouldn’t want a chance to fall to anyone else, but he has to stay as the centre forward high up the pitch, crucially he needs service & that’s down to the system and the team selection.

Phillips and Rice aren’t required Tuesday and we should have mixed it up last night when it clearly wasn’t working, get Grealish or Foden free with Mount in midfield with one of the holding midfielders.

Trevor Brooking called it perfectly in 1996 at the start of Football’s Coming Home...

We’re not creative enough
We’re not positive enough.

We have the wingers and creative players to be. So the Manager needs to take the handbrake off and then if Kane actually gets some chances that’s where he thrives.
 
In the old days it would possibly be players revolt time by now, but I don't think any of this lot have it in them or indeed the authority. The footballing style we are drifting into in this tournament is a licence to fail. Foden at least looked forward, was prepared to take the ball under pressure and not just knock it back the way he was facing, he also made some great diagonal runs. He got hooked for his troubles.
 
Mark_GT said:
In the old days it would possibly be players revolt time by now, but I don't think any of this lot have it in them or indeed the authority. The footballing style we are drifting into in this tournament is a licence to fail. Foden at least looked forward, was prepared to take the ball under pressure and no just knock it back the way he was faceing, he alos made some great diagonal runs. He got hooked for his troubles.
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And he was playing on the right when his best position is left.
 
So much is wrong. We do not have a central midfielder who can open up a team. Rice is a centre half in waiting just like Eric Dier. It takes him too long to control and pass and will not beat a man. Your anchor man has to be technically brilliant and get between the lines at ease. O for a Kante. To win a tournament you must be positive in possession, Southgate is dont lose mentality. So far Kane has had 2 awful Euros. The one time Phillips beat his man in the middle we scored, that is not a coincidence. If we are relying on set pieces, then where is Ward Prose. We are far too rigid and predictable.
 
Mark_GT said:
In the old days it would possibly be players revolt time by now, but I don't think any of this lot have it in them or indeed the authority. The footballing style we are drifting into in this tournament is a licence to fail. Foden at least looked forward, was prepared to take the ball under pressure and not just knock it back the way he was facing, he also made some great diagonal runs. He got hooked for his troubles.
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Eh? A football revolt after 4 points from two games? Don't be bloody daft, the only time this came close to happening before was in 86 after we'd been beaten by Portugal and drew with Morocco, even then it was a joint meeting where they all discussed tactics with Robson.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Eh? A football revolt after 4 points from two games? Don't be bloody daft, the only time this came close to happening before was in 86 after we'd been beaten by Portugal and drew with Morocco, even then it was a joint meeting where they all discussed tactics with Robson.
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No, bollocks to that. I insist they storm the bastion of the blazerboys and demand a style of play suitable to our bright new tomorrow 🏝️
 
also amazing how so many have no interest in the EPL, care little for England when they play but are at the front of the queue to give out their opinions on players they pretty much don't watch from week to week.
 
The supply has been shocking, unless you're playing a France or Belgium and could be overrun you don't need 2 defensive midfielders. Phillips and Rice against Scotland was a disaster waiting to happen. Mount was off form but had no support. Grealish and Foden playing together could provide the service Kane needs. Sterling is hit or miss but with his pace can always nick you a goal but he needs half a dozen chances.
 
20togo said:
also amazing how so many have no interest in the EPL, care little for England when they play but are at the front of the queue to give out their opinions on players they pretty much don't watch from week to week.
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As we always say, judge players on what you see. Kane looks as likely to score as me.
 
Wizaard said:
As we always say, judge players on what you see. Kane looks as likely to score as me.
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And as I've said you've no interest so based on you seeing so little of the EPL I tend to think your opinion has little substance
 
td53 said:
Amazing how some people think buying sky makes them superior.
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Well actually I subscribe to Virgin but for instance if you were a supporter of a L2 team and watched them on a regular basis I'd say your knowledge and view of that player would be better[superior is a poor choice of word],, than that of some-one who doesn't. Same principle applies for some-one who watches a load of EPL games. Just your inverted snobbery coming thru with your comment.
 
There was a part in Spurs season when Kane was dropping deep and his overall game was sublime. At the moment he's moving like a modern day Andy Garner. You have to back him to come good again but it's probably not going to be in this tournament.
 
20togo said:
Well actually I subscribe to Virgin but for instance if you were a supporter of a L2 team and watched them on a regular basis I'd say your knowledge and view of that player would be better[superior is a poor choice of word],, than that of some-one who doesn't. Same principle applies for some-one who watches a load of EPL games.
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Except EPL games are available on all platforms 24/7, whereas L2 coverage is 30 seconds a week on Quest. So your comparison is nonsense.

You can't avoid EPL coverage.
 
Wizaard said:
Except EPL games are available on all platforms 24/7, whereas L2 coverage is 30 seconds a week on Quest. So your comparison is nonsense.

You can't avoid EPL coverage.
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Absolute nonsense. Many on here claim no interest in the EPL stating they never watch it with some claiming they don't even know who some of the players are and who they play for.
 
20togo said:
Absolute nonsense. Many on here claim no interest in the EPL stating they never watch it with some claiming they don't even know who some of the players are and who they play for.
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That doesn't mean coverage isn't at saturation levels and you know it.
 
Whilst Southgate pontificates we will be out. He needs to realise finishing nowhere is not acceptable, and he will be replaced by another man who says what he should to the media. Be brave
 
Wizaard said:
That doesn't mean coverage isn't at saturation levels and you know it.
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er, I didn't say that. I know it's at saturation level but like I said many people avoid it not that you can't avoid it which is what you said.. I also said if you were a supporter of a L2 team. ie you watched them on a regular basis.
 
20togo said:
er, I didn't say that. I know it's at saturation level but like I said many people avoid it not that you can't avoid it which is what you said.. I also said if you were a supporter of a L2 team. ie you watched them on a regular basis.
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As I said, no one has been watching football live and there is no coverage worth the name.
 
20togo said:
Well actually I subscribe to Virgin but for instance if you were a supporter of a L2 team and watched them on a regular basis I'd say your knowledge and view of that player would be better[superior is a poor choice of word],, than that of some-one who doesn't. Same principle applies for some-one who watches a load of EPL games. Just your inverted snobbery coming thru with your comment.
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Personally I think Kane should be playing and I don't think he was actually *that* bad last night but I'm just an inverted snob who knows nowt cos I don't subscribe to pay TV.

What I thought was more concerning than Kane's individual performance was Southgate not risking an extra man up front or creatively to put make the Scots think a bit more and ask more questions, thus releasing Kane from playing constantly in the pocket of his marker. Why stick with two in the pivot when you could have one and an extra man up front for ten minutes? Especially as Kane is quality at linking with another forward, something that wasn't happening yesterday as Sterling was either deep or wide mostly.

Perhaps the World Cup and the Euros should also be pay per view to keep the likes of me from commenting on them with such ill educated tripe?

Tbf, you do have a point but where would the message board fun be in acknowledging it?

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I've never seen Kane play well at international level, and I've watched every game so far in the last 3 major tournaments.
He scored a lot of goals in 2018, many of which were penalties, but his all-round game was not great.

Granted, I don't watch a great deal of EPL, so he may be going through a spot of bad form just at the minute.
 
I watch a fair bit of epl and Kane is def the best forward we have by a fair bit, obviously playing for Spurs with the same players week in week out helps as well…but he is still our best forward…I’d stick with him and drop rashford/sterling, give Calvert Lewis a go….🍷😎
 
Harry Kane does not score in truly big games and against the really top opposition so when only 70% fit as he probably is no offers little to the team in general
 
I still don't why:
we needed three, at one time four, right-backs;
replaced one right-back with a centre-half;
took two injured players;
took two left-backs and still haven't played the best one;
continually overlook the most creative players in the squad;
as mentioned previously, play two defensive midfield players;
make poor substitutions.
Rashford for Kane was strange, given that Marcus is so inconsistent when playing down the middle. Foden coming off was baffling given that half of the team were contributing nothing.
Personally, I would have taken both Ings & Watkins rather overload with defenders. Ings is probably the best English forward with his back to goal; good football brain and a good finisher. Watkins is a different type of striker and if you are looking to change the game that's what is needed; like for like rarely works. As a pair, they may work well together but we're not going to find out if they can.
I can see the time when we're desperate for a goal and we'll stick Calvert-Lewin & Maguire on and launch it.
It's a game of opinions but I suspect that most people feel that we have not come anywhere near selecting the best team from the players that are available. The burden of being an England supporter remains a heavy one.
 
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