It’s kind of what is making me nervous Halifax.Nope, they're far too expensive and the local infrastructure is not good enough.
This. The range is also poor for me.Nope, they're far too expensive and the local infrastructure is not good enough.
I still cannot see how the practical issues can be overcome without some kind of gigantic improvement in battery charging points (especially for people living in terraced streets with no parking spaces, battery charge time, battery range and battery life, and that's not even taking into consideration the issue of battery disposal. Seems like far too many aspects need to be overcome to be more attractive than fuel.Has anyone on here gone full EV yet?
I am wondering how you’ve got a long with it so far, with charging away from home etc.
Just placed an order today to buy the wife a Jaguar I-pace EV (not hybrid) and going to order the home charger kit.
Yep, I reckon it will be 5 or 6 years before mass production brings the costs down to reasonable levels. I intend to run my existing petrol and diesel cars to the end of their useful lives, which will be at least 8 to 10 years. After then I may not buy another car but lease or rent one as required. I think there will be a lot more of that, rather than purchase in the future. Or call a driverless car to take you to your destinationNope, they're far too expensive and the local infrastructure is not good enough.
And flats, high rise etc.I still cannot see how the practical issues can be overcome without some kind of gigantic improvement in battery charging points (especially for people living in terraced streets with no parking spaces, battery charge time, battery range and battery life, and that's not even taking into consideration the issue of battery disposal. Seems like far too many aspects need to be overcome to be more attractive than fuel.
Agree with that to some extent, but they also need to look at solar charging of much more efficient batteries via electric cells built into car windows or on the roof. Cars are sat on driveways or in the office car park for over 90% of the timeHas anyone actually discussed the possibilities electrically ? In absolute dream land in anyone’s lifetime on this board I’m afraid. Unless of course everyone is happy for us to start building nuclear power stations every week
I applaud the ambition. But from my job, training and knowledge illl be very surprised if this really gets off the ground in my lifetime. I’m not saying it won’t eventually but the infrastructure is lightyears away I’m afraid.Agree with that to some extent, but they also need to look at solar charging of much more efficient batteries via electric cells built into car windows or on the roof.
The technology is changing very quickly, I suggest anyone in the throes of a green revolution to do your homework.Read an article about a guy trying to reject an I pace because he couldn't use the majority of charging points in this country, Might be worth checking which type of charging port it has.
I can just imagine the businesses excepting that. Nope, personally hydrogen is already moving in and offers a lot more viable option. I’m sure it will depend on the big boys as to what path us minions take first.The simple solution to this charging point problem is swappable batteries. This will happen because its the most obvious answer. In fact in China there are EV manufacturers that offer battery swapping as a subscription service and have hundreds of battery swapping stations all over. So no need to spend ages recharging.
I imagine in the future the tech will be developed to allow people to easily charge batteries inside their homes and connect them to the car easily, and taking that further there will be cars developed that have several in built batteries that automatically swap when they run out, allowing a car to go much longer distances without any recharging.
All imo. The tech of this is moving at a rapid pace and charging points will barely be a flicker on the road to a full EV network.
I'm really not convinced about the Hydrogen solution. Creating Hydrogen currently isn't environmentally friendly and the possibility of that changing could be some years away. By which time the majority of our electricity will be cleanly generated anyway, so I'm not sure of the benefit of spending millions researching/developing something that probably won't be needed. Plus, there are already companies with technology to cleanly recycle lithium ion batteries when they reach the end of their life cycle.I can just imagine the businesses excepting that. Nope, personally hydrogen is already moving in and offers a lot more viable option. I’m sure it will depend on the big boys as to what path us minions take first.
Don't change for environmental reasons. A new EV has a huge carbon footprint. Apparently more environmentally friendly to modify existing cars.We use our dirty 2L diesel to tow about 1300kg regularly, so I doubt if anything will be available that could do that for any appreciable range for an affordable purchase price for a while. That's before we go into the charging/battery swapping infrastructure & how that Lithium mining/battery production/disposal will affect the carbon footprint, compared with petrol/diesel. These stat's don't seem to have been widely publicised. Only the urban based direct air pollution. I'm not totally convinced we're not just playing at it. Would you like a bag sir
Did London with one stop the other week (Corley). Just takes a bit of a change in attitude. You'll be charging at home 95% of the time any
Download the Zap App for route planning.
Peanuts to run, I couldn't give a shit about the environment or degredation as it's a lease.
It’s a business lease so for the same reasons.Also got a full electric (Hyundai) on a business lease, love it, performance certainly isn’t an issue and drive quality is excellent. Love the fact that it’s silent. Get a range of about 230 miles on a full charge, slightly more in summer. If going on a long distance trip charging away from home is an issue, you need to plan in advance and it takes a while to fully charge so for this reason we tend to take other car which is a petrol hybrid.
As much as I like it I wouldn’t consider buying one as it is just too expensive but as it’s a company lease it’s cheap as chips to run and additional tax benefits. Also wouldn’t want one if it was my only vehicle!
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Don't change for environmental reasons. A new EV has a huge carbon footprint. Apparently more environmentally friendly to modify existing cars.
This is so much the way we need to go. We need to stop seeing our happiness and personality intrinsically tied up with buying shiny new stuff and learn how to properly recycle, rebuild and adapt. It's obvious that resources are finite.Don't change for environmental reasons. A new EV has a huge carbon footprint. Apparently more environmentally friendly to modify existing cars.
No petrol to buy though. Imagine the savings.Just not affordable for me. The current car I have is approx £25k new, the new electric version is £35k....a big increase on my current budget. Maybe once junior has moved out a smaller car is an option.
Oil (and gas) uses huge amounts of electricity to produce even before you then burn it though. It’s the same as the anti-vegetarian argument about where do we grow enough vegetables if we quit meat; producing meat requires vast amounts of crops, so is hugely inefficient.Where are we going to get all this electricity from with them fasing out gas boilers also by the 30's and moving over to Hydrogen which needs electricity to power it?
Whatever they do they better get a move on as one scientist spoke on TV the other week not a flaming chance we will be ready with all these changes for cars and your home.
I'm in the same boat as Catcher ie. Hyundai on a salary sacrifice scheme. Bargain. Would echo what's already been said. Plan for longer journeys by aiming for a service station with a bank of fast chargers. Don't even waste your time with other, slower ones. You can easy get to Manchester/Liverpool and back on a full charge and I've not noticed a hit on the household bills. Would recommend.It’s a business lease so for the same reasons.
Home charging makes it easier and she has a charge point at work too.
Id have thought with the quick chargers at BP etc even long journeys are doable away from home now, but time will tell?
The point I was making we haven't enough electricity to power your houses or cars even if we use more renewable energy in the future and no one wants to build power stations.Oil (and gas) uses huge amounts of electricity to produce even before you then burn it though. It’s the same as the anti-vegetarian argument about where do we grow enough vegetables if we quit meat; producing meat requires vast amounts of crops, so is hugely inefficient.
Was at garage other day and owner and another bloke were talking... someone had new electric and 2 months out of warranty the battery went.... 10k apparently for new one, no idea on car etc. They were also saying if most the road got one to have charging points in each house the electricity cable to supply (so charged in decent time) would have to be that big the whole of UK would need to be dug up... again no idea as to how true but this is what they were saying.
I'll just stick to my knackered 14 yr old aygo.. she has done well.
Sure and I completely agree we have challenges in electricity production and infrastructure, no doubt about it (although I'm pretty sure the oil companies do their best to keep it that way!), I was just saying that if we use LESS electricity moving away from fossil fuels (because of the amount we use to produce the oil and gas) then it makes sense to me that it makes things easier, not harder. We re-purpose the electricity we already produce and use it instead to provide our home heat/cars rather than to extract oil, refine it, transport it and then burn it. Win/win to me.The point I was making we haven't enough electricity to power your houses or cars even if we use more renewable energy in the future and no one wants to build power stations.
By all means get rid of fossil fuels but this seems the wrong way around we need to sort the infrastructure out now to make power and the rest will follow not hoping we won't need petrol and gas in 10 + years time.
Agree with most of this. Irrespective of fuel source we consume far too much resources looking for the latest version of a car every 3 or 4 years or phone every 2 or 3 years. We should be making things to last much longer and be able to recycle 95% of what we consume. The existing rate of population growth will make this even more criticalThis is so much the way we need to go. We need to stop seeing our happiness and personality intrinsically tied up with buying shiny new stuff and learn how to properly recycle, rebuild and adapt. It's obvious that resources are finite.
It's really frustrating that it's entirely possible to imagine say, a phone, with modular design so a processor or camera could be upgraded but people want to wave a purchase about. The visibility of our 'upgrades' is part of our we gain cultural capital I guess. I'm absolutely not exempting myself from the curse of the modern age - I'm no tree dwelling solar panel toting environmental martyr...
Same with cars in a way. We've got a culture based on disposal and whilst recycling has come on a pace, there's still an incredible amount to do.
What we really, really could do with in multiple areas of production is certain standards so repair, upgrade etc were possible. It wouldn't stifle innovative thinking, it would just define lines for that innovative thinking to be within. Currently we have shit loads of stuff chucked away because upgrade or repair is impossible or prohibitively expensive as parts are so specific and require long supply chains. (Or stuff is actually designed not to be repaired or upgraded)
I've got an EV Chunky. I absolutely love it and I've had no problems at all with range issues or recharging. It has a range of 320miles but that is 'perfect' driving conditions so the reality is more like 260 on a full battery. Plugging it into a standard 240v wall socket gives me between 5 - 10 miles per hour, so around 100 miles on an overnight charge when it is cheaper. There is an option to buy a home charger which needs to be installed by an electrician and this gives 20 miles per hour of charge, but I haven't really felt the need to get one of these. The key thing is if I go on a long journey, I can stop at a supercharger (now at most service stations) and get 200 miles in around 20 minutes. It's never really worth fully charging the battery anyway because it takes the same time to charge between 80%-100% as from 0%-80%.. Also, it's better for battery longevity to not fully charge. Even though EVs are more expensive than ICE cars, you do get a lot of payback over the lifetime through much lower fuel cost (around 80% less than petrol/diesel) and much lower maintenance costs as a result of very few moving parts to a ICE car. Then there is the fun aspect. You get instant torque (mine does 0-60 in 4 seconds) so the acceleration is like the sensation you get on a roller coaster. Lot's of other positives too so for me it's a big thumbs upHas anyone on here gone full EV yet?
I am wondering how you’ve got a long with it so far, with charging away from home etc.
Just placed an order today to buy the wife a Jaguar I-pace EV (not hybrid) and going to order the home charger kit.
About a fiver if a fast charger. Honestly wouldn't even bother with the slower ones unless charging for a long time/overnight eg. Wembley Red Car Park which had an abundance of chargers on every floor. Remaining static in traffic uses next to zero power, even with AC, radio on etc and you aren't using petrol/worried about the engine overheating.So how much does 20 mins charging at a service station cost?