Covid Passports for football matches

Adams Kebab said:
So was my stat wrong? Is everything ok at home btw you seem mad.
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I've no idea if your stat was right or wrong. I'm guessing you've done your research so i'll trust your figures. That wasn't my point however... my point is you seem happy to reduce the argument to numbers and that most people who die from covid are over a certain age. That doesn't mean young people don't.

You can be a 25yo fighting fit (unjabbed) individual and go to bloomfield road and catch covid and die from it... that's a possibility. Just as it is throughout every football ground in the land. Introducing covid passports means that if you are that said individual then you've got 2 jabs and are much less likely to die/ require intensive care treatment if you get seriously ill. You may be OK with playing the odds knowing full well the tax payer will foot your care bill because you didn't want to infringe your personal liberties but it doesn't mean other people won't think less of you because of your choices.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I couldn’t get in the Covid wards 😂 no visitors.

Listen, I know you are passionate about the NHS and rightly so and I have no doubts that it was horrible for front-line staff at the beginning of the virus, I gave first-hand experience of what it was like. People seem to have a perception that i’m anti-vaccine or I’m a conspiracy theorist. I’m neither. I’m just looking at it logically.

I think overtime as the stats and data on age and more comes out that the reaction to this virus has been over the top. The propaganda and hysteria is off the charts.

Vaccine passports are not about health if they were, what’s been happening for the past 6 weeks when you’ve not had to show anything?
Surely that’s been reckless hasn’t it? If passports are going to protect and save lives?
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Yeah, it's been fairly reckless but vaccinations are keeping the pressure on the NHS off.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Because being vaccinated reduces your chances of infection, you ignored that before.

And your little quip about posters on here watching TV while having Covid and it not being that serious, do you know what they all have in common? I'll give you a clue, begins with V.
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But what about the people who’ve not had it and recovered from the virus like people who have had the vaccine and now have antibodies.
 
GTFsTwinBrother said:
I've no idea if your stat was right or wrong. I'm guessing you've done your research so i'll trust your figures. That wasn't my point however... my point is you seem happy to reduce the argument to numbers and that most people who die from covid are over a certain age. That doesn't mean young people don't.

You can be a 25yo fighting fit (unjabbed) individual and go to bloomfield road and catch covid and die from it... that's a possibility. Just as it is throughout every football ground in the land. Introducing covid passports means that if you are that said individual then you've got 2 jabs and are much less likely to die/ require intensive care treatment if you get seriously ill. You may be OK with playing the odds knowing full well the tax payer will foot your care bill because you didn't want to infringe your personal liberties but it doesn't mean other people won't think less of you because of your choices.
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You do know, you can be pro-vaccine but be anti-vaccine passports you know?

Playing the odds?? Have you seen the odds?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
That's not an argument though, the absolute fact is that vaccinations reduce your chances of being infected and massively reduce your chances of ending up in hospital, which is the whole point.
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But there’s loads of people who’ve been double jabbed and caught it?? I agree with rust you said about the backing reducing the chance of hospitalisations. I’m pro-vaccine for the vulnerable and older age groups but think it should be choice for the rest. If you’re younger, fit and healthy and trust your immune system then that’s that. These people will not put a strain on the NHS and if they don’t want or need it then they shouldn’t be forced to.

The vaccine was always about the vulnerable age groups. 15m jabs to cry freedom.

I don’t think vaccine passports do anything bar create a digital ID system.

They are not anything to do with health.
 
"I don’t think vaccine passports do anything bar create a digital ID system"

"A conspiracy theorist is someone who doesn’t want passports but is pro-vaccine 😂🙈

I’ve heard it all now, I’m going to have to call it a day. "



You and me both...
 
Adams Kebab said:
But there’s loads of people who’ve been double jabbed and caught it?? I agree with rust you said about the backing reducing the chance of hospitalisations. I’m pro-vaccine for the vulnerable and older age groups but think it should be choice for the rest. If you’re younger, fit and healthy and trust your immune system then that’s that. These people will not put a strain on the NHS and if they don’t want or need it then they shouldn’t be forced to.

The vaccine was always about the vulnerable age groups. 15m jabs to cry freedom.

I don’t think vaccine passports do anything bar create a digital ID system.

They are not anything to do with health.
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But the wards were full of people outside of the risk cohort, there was no guiding factor at all, everyone reacted differently.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I couldn’t get in the Covid wards 😂 no visitors.

Listen, I know you are passionate about the NHS and rightly so and I have no doubts that it was horrible for front-line staff at the beginning of the virus, I gave first-hand experience of what it was like. People seem to have a perception that i’m anti-vaccine or I’m a conspiracy theorist. I’m neither. I’m just looking at it logically.

I think overtime as the stats and data on age and more comes out that the reaction to this virus has been over the top. The propaganda and hysteria is off the charts.

Vaccine passports are not about health if they were, what’s been happening for the past 6 weeks when you’ve not had to show anything?
Surely that’s been reckless hasn’t it? If passports are going to protect and save lives?
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Listen - you clearly know more than everyone else and have sussed that the government just want to keep tabs on you.

Away and enjoy yourself with your crackpot friends from Facebook groups. No football matches for you mind.
 
Macseasider said:
Listen - you clearly know more than everyone else and have sussed that the government just want to keep tabs on you.

Away and enjoy yourself with your crackpot friends from Facebook groups. No football matches for you mind.
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Be like you then won’t it not going the match 🤣

This attitude makes me laugh. It’s almost a paradox.
 
Adams Kebab said:
But there’s loads of people who’ve been double jabbed and caught it?? I agree with rust you said about the backing reducing the chance of hospitalisations. I’m pro-vaccine for the vulnerable and older age groups but think it should be choice for the rest. If you’re younger, fit and healthy and trust your immune system then that’s that. These people will not put a strain on the NHS and if they don’t want or need it then they shouldn’t be forced to.

The vaccine was always about the vulnerable age groups. 15m jabs to cry freedom.

I don’t think vaccine passports do anything bar create a digital ID system.

They are not anything to do with health.
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It's our health record which is already on my phone in-app and all you are doing is consenting to divulge one piece of information on it.
It's not like a whole new ID scheme being set up as an extra info grab and put you on a list of defecting spies.
 
It doesn’t sit right with me. And not for some silly Nazi analogy. If the virus is so virulent then mass participation events are clearly totally inappropriate. If that’s not the case then we have to allow people freedom of choice and invest heavily in our health services.
 
Macseasider said:
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Ministers set to impose vaccine passports on more mass events

Ministers are set to impose vaccine passports on those attending football matches, pop concerts and business conferences despite mounting Tory opposition.
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Vaccine take up is high in this country. In fact compliance with the Covid health safety measures as well as vaccine take up rates are higher than the officials ever dared to hope. If we had very low take up rates and a resultant high number of deaths/hospitalisations then we’d have to determine whether restrictions were needed or whether we’d need to mandate the vaccine. But we have high take up rates.
So in my opinion we need to get our heads around living with the virus. It looks like it will be around perhaps permanently.
I think it’s overkill to have these passports when the level of death is relatively low. We’ve been mixing for many weeks without restrictions and the level of Covid is fairly stable. So it’s there but it’s not out of control. Of course it’s sad for anyone dying ‘with’ Covid. But people die every day - approx 1,500 each day in the UK. The average age of death with Covid is around 82, which is remarkably similar to the average life expectancy. From that simple comparison we can see that those dying of Covid are due to die very soon anyway, statistically speaking.
Covid passports are of little benefit in a society where take up levels are so high. That’s because nearly all folk are already vaccinated. The ones who aren’t are a mix of those who don’t trust the vaccine, and those who can’t take it for medical or religious reasons. Those who don’t trust the vaccine are more likely seen in the minority communities. So vaccine passports would inevitably discriminate. I don’t like the idea of a big brother society where you can’t come and go freely in your own community. That coming and going should include going to a shop, a cafe, a bar, a library, a sports venue, a theatre etc etc. Once we bring in hear passports they will become commonplace in many if not all settings. Employers will see it as a green light to have their workers prove their health status.
I don’t like the idea. Mainly cos it’s unnecessary. The gain is not great but the infringement on freedom is huge. We need to hold onto our freedom and protect it with all our might. If not, with increasing technology and with more controlling governments, we’ll one day all be chipped and monitored like cattle. I’m for the vaccine but I’m not for giving up our rights.
 
Malced said:
Vaccine take up is high in this country. In fact compliance with the Covid health safety measures as well as vaccine take up rates are higher than the officials ever dared to hope. If we had very low take up rates and a resultant high number of deaths/hospitalisations then we’d have to determine whether restrictions were needed or whether we’d need to mandate the vaccine. But we have high take up rates.
So in my opinion we need to get our heads around living with the virus. It looks like it will be around perhaps permanently.
I think it’s overkill to have these passports when the level of death is relatively low. We’ve been mixing for many weeks without restrictions and the level of Covid is fairly stable. So it’s there but it’s not out of control. Of course it’s sad for anyone dying ‘with’ Covid. But people die every day - approx 1,500 each day in the UK. The average age of death with Covid is around 82, which is remarkably similar to the average life expectancy. From that simple comparison we can see that those dying of Covid are due to die very soon anyway, statistically speaking.
Covid passports are of little benefit in a society where take up levels are so high. That’s because nearly all folk are already vaccinated. The ones who aren’t are a mix of those who don’t trust the vaccine, and those who can’t take it for medical or religious reasons. Those who don’t trust the vaccine are more likely seen in the minority communities. So vaccine passports would inevitably discriminate. I don’t like the idea of a big brother society where you can’t come and go freely in your own community. That coming and going should include going to a shop, a cafe, a bar, a library, a sports venue, a theatre etc etc. Once we bring in hear passports they will become commonplace in many if not all settings. Employers will see it as a green light to have their workers prove their health status.
I don’t like the idea. Mainly cos it’s unnecessary. The gain is not great but the infringement on freedom is huge. We need to hold onto our freedom and protect it with all our might. If not, with increasing technology and with more controlling governments, we’ll one day all be chipped and monitored like cattle. I’m for the vaccine but I’m not for giving up our rights.
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GTFsTwinBrother said:
I've no idea if your stat was right or wrong. I'm guessing you've done your research so i'll trust your figures. That wasn't my point however... my point is you seem happy to reduce the argument to numbers and that most people who die from covid are over a certain age. That doesn't mean young people don't.

You can be a 25yo fighting fit (unjabbed) individual and go to bloomfield road and catch covid and die from it... that's a possibility. Just as it is throughout every football ground in the land. Introducing covid passports means that if you are that said individual then you've got 2 jabs and are much less likely to die/ require intensive care treatment if you get seriously ill. You may be OK with playing the odds knowing full well the tax payer will foot your care bill because you didn't want to infringe your personal liberties but it doesn't mean other people won't think less of you because of your choices.
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What about all the other things people choose to do which lead to ill health, cost to the nhs and death? Why stop at Covid? Why don’t we examine your diet and your choices on exercise, alcohol, smoking, recreational drugs, sporting activity which could lead to injuries etc etc. Someone being checked going into a football ground is ridiculous when that same person may well have been on a bus or in a pub or a shop and so on. Why so selective with the use of a passport? By the way, there’s always exceptions but how many healthy 25 year olds are going to get ill and die as a result of going to a football match? Arguably more 25 year olds will be killed on the roads driving to work. Or more vaccinated 25 year olds will be killed on the roads driving to football matches. We don’t have zero tolerance approach to risk across our activities. We live. We participate in society. Some get injured and ill when doing so. Whether that’s from a broken leg on a Sunday morning playing football or falling over after a few beers on a Saturday night or from eating pizza every night for years - that’s by the bye. It’s ironic that folk are so narrowly focused on health and have this one-dimensional Covid health obsession. Many of the same folk live very unhealthy lives yet think it’s ok to lecture healthy people about Covid. It’s bizarre but perhaps because this is because press have drilled Covid Covid Covid into our heads for the last two years and as a result many have been brainwashed and have an irrational fear. Just as they drilled Afghanistan Afghanistan Afghanistan into our heads for about two weeks. Who’d have thought all it took for Covid to be solved was for trouble to kick off in Afghanistan.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You inferred that having to prove something to do something in order to keep others safe was just like Nazi Germany. It is now potentially dangerous to society to go in to a nightclub without a Covid jab, there's not really any argument against that is there?

Back when I was a nipper I did have to show ID to prove I was over 18, which was just like Nazi Germany now I think about it, we should let kids drink.

I suppose you believe driving licences are just like the Gestapo?
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Well apart from getting pulled over and having to produce when would I need to get my driving licence out ? It has nothing to do with my current health situation, it’s completely different. And besides it doesn’t stop people getting infected. It’s completely unnecessary.
 
Matesrates said:
I can’t see it solely because of how long it would take them to get the technology right to avoid massive queues at turnstiles. Some sort of automatic readers would be needed and that takes time and money to both develop and install at every ground.

Those who say it’s not necessary because we’re all outdoors are forgetting that we all have to go through concourses, or into bars, and then you have the situation of sitting shoulder to shoulder with others. Then there’s shouting, hugging and jumping up and down when we score.

There’s another thread on here from a seaside who was double vaccinated, yet caught it at Bloomfield Road.
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We already have the readers here, if you put your smart phone or government token near then they instantly go green or red depending on your vaccine or test status.

Very simple and takes less than a second, it also checks you in to wherever you are for test and trace.

The government decided here that once we hit 80% fully vaccinated (teenagers where done ages ago) we would re-open and unless the hospitals where overwhelmed then nothing was shutting us down again.

We still have a few restrictions but nothing major, even foreign travel is starting again without quarantine to some destinations.

The government have also made it clear life is going to be much simpler and better if you get jabbed up.

Boosters start in a couple of weeks for the over 60s as well.
 
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seasideone said:
We already have the readers here, if you put your smart phone or government token near then they instantly go green or red depending on your vaccine or test status.

Very simple and takes less than a second, it also checks you in to wherever you are for test and trace.

The government decided here that once we hit 80% fully vaccinated (teenagers where done ages ago) we would re-open and unless the hospitals where overwhelmed then nothing was shutting us down again.

We still have a few restrictions but nothing major, even foreign travel is starting again without quarantine to some destinations.

The government have also made it clear life is going to be much simpler and better if you get jabbed up.

Boosters start in a couple of weeks for the over 60s as well.
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Can you adopt a 79 rear old man and his 75 year old wife? There healthy, very nice people, no trouble and their great company. Oh, and of course they’re BFC fans.
 
Scaramanga said:
That maybe so, but if they won’t take the vaccine and the figures keep creeping up then I expect the government to lock us down.
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It's the unvaxed who are creating the problem, they are the ones dying. I honestly think it's a personal choice.(I'm dj'd) If you've decided to not have the jab you are taking a chance....not one that I, at 53 years old would take.
 
Malced said:
From that simple comparison we can see that those dying of Covid are due to die very soon anyway, statistically speaking.
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If you’re talking about those currently dying then I have to say your statement is rubbish as people currently in hospital dying are the anti-vaccination nut jobs and covid non-believer conspiracy theory story tellers.
 
Not to have the jabs puts others at more risk, so IMHO it’s selfish.

Again personally, I only want to mix with the double jabbers and anyone who can’t physically have it.

Of course you can still pass it on if you catch it, but the vaccines stop the rate you get it and pass it on.

Simple really!!!!

Vaccine passports for everything for me with an exception if you can’t have the vaccine for medical or age (to young) reasons.

It works here, and it works well!!!
 
Scaramanga said:
Well apart from getting pulled over and having to produce when would I need to get my driving licence out ? It has nothing to do with my current health situation, it’s completely different. And besides it doesn’t stop people getting infected. It’s completely unnecessary.
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Proof of age when buying a number of products. Driving licence is the easiest option.

For what it's worth, I went to the Leeds International Beer Festival on Friday. Proof of double vaccination or no entry was needed.
 
tangomonkey said:
If you’re talking about those currently dying then I have to say your statement is rubbish as people currently in hospital dying are the anti-vaccination nut jobs and covid non-believer conspiracy theory story tellers.
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That’s quite an emotive and divisive and hugely ignorant statement. You’ve nothing to back it up of course. Those that are currently dying include both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Whilst the vast majority of folk are indeed vaccinated, you can still catch it and die from it even though vaccinated. The vaccine reduces the likelyhood of that but other risk factors such as weakened immune system, obesity and AGE remain very significant. As most of the public are vaccinated, most of the hospitalisation and deaths are seen in vaccinated people.
However the unvaccinated are at higher risk than the vaccinated.
With regards to labelling the unvaccinated ‘nut jobs/conspiracy theorists’ ….. vaccine hesitancy is five times higher in Black people than white people. Black communities generally have a lower trust of the NHS for historical cultural reasons. These folk are not nut jobs and it’s unhelpful to label them so.
I’ve previously stated that some won’t have the vaccine due to medical or religious reasons. Are these the nut jobs?
Some have decided not to get vaccinated cos they’ve previously been infected and thus know they will have antibodies of a level similar to that seen in the vaccinated. Are these the nut jobs?
Some women who are wanting to get pregnant imminently are avoiding the jab as they fear it could harm an unborn baby or hinder their fertility. That’s an understandable concern albeit there’s lots of medical information available to dispel concerns. But they’re not nut jobs are they? Anyway, there’s still over 100 a day dying ‘with’ Covid. These are a mix of unvaccinated and vaccinated with the majority being the latter. I’m sure their families will appreciate your incredibly insulting and hugely ignorant stereotyping of their loved ones. You haven’t got a clue.
 
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Could you try to be a bit more offensive next time 🙄
 
Malced said:
What about all the other things people choose to do which lead to ill health, cost to the nhs and death? Why stop at Covid? Why don’t we examine your diet and your choices on exercise, alcohol, smoking, recreational drugs, sporting activity which could lead to injuries etc etc. Someone being checked going into a football ground is ridiculous when that same person may well have been on a bus or in a pub or a shop and so on. Why so selective with the use of a passport? By the way, there’s always exceptions but how many healthy 25 year olds are going to get ill and die as a result of going to a football match? Arguably more 25 year olds will be killed on the roads driving to work. Or more vaccinated 25 year olds will be killed on the roads driving to football matches. We don’t have zero tolerance approach to risk across our activities. We live. We participate in society. Some get injured and ill when doing so. Whether that’s from a broken leg on a Sunday morning playing football or falling over after a few beers on a Saturday night or from eating pizza every night for years - that’s by the bye. It’s ironic that folk are so narrowly focused on health and have this one-dimensional Covid health obsession. Many of the same folk live very unhealthy lives yet think it’s ok to lecture healthy people about Covid. It’s bizarre but perhaps because this is because press have drilled Covid Covid Covid into our heads for the last two years and as a result many have been brainwashed and have an irrational fear. Just as they drilled Afghanistan Afghanistan Afghanistan into our heads for about two weeks. Who’d have thought all it took for Covid to be solved was for trouble to kick off in Afghanistan.
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So what’s the point of a vaccine passport ? as it seems the vaccines don’t work on some people what difference would it make to show someone you have been double jabbed when someone who is double jabbed can die of COVID.
 
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That’s quite an emotive and divisive and hugely ignorant statement. You’ve nothing to back it up of course. Those that are currently dying include both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Whilst the vast majority of folk are indeed vaccinated, you can still catch it and die from it even though vaccinated. The vaccine reduces the likelyhood of that but other risk factors such as weakened immune system, obesity and AGE remain very significant. As most of the public are vaccinated, most of the hospitalisation and deaths are seen in vaccinated people.
However the unvaccinated are at higher risk than the vaccinated.
With regards to labelling the unvaccinated ‘nut jobs/conspiracy theorists’ ….. vaccine hesitancy is five times higher in Black people than white people. Black communities generally have a lower trust of the NHS for historical cultural reasons. These folk are not nut jobs and it’s unhelpful to label them so.
I’ve previously stated that some won’t have the vaccine due to medical or religious reasons. Are these the nut jobs?
Some have decided not to get vaccinated cos they’ve previously been infected and thus know they will have antibodies of a level similar to that seen in the vaccinated. Are these the nut jobs?
Some women who are wanting to get pregnant imminently are avoiding the jab as they fear it could harm an unborn baby or hinder their fertility. That’s an understandable concern albeit there’s lots of medical information available to dispel concerns. But they’re not nut jobs are they? Anyway, there’s still over 100 a day dying ‘with’ Covid. These are a mix of unvaccinated and vaccinated with the majority being the latter. I’m sure their families will appreciate your incredibly insulting and hugely ignorant stereotyping of their loved ones. You haven’t got a clue.
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So saying people who are dying from Covid are due to die anyway is not ignorant?? Do me a favour mate. That’s being a hypocrite. Most of the 7.5k in hospital are unvaccinated. Everyone of them have had the opportunity to get vaccinated.
 
tangomonkey said:
So saying people who are dying from Covid are due to die anyway is not ignorant?? Do me a favour mate. That’s being a hypocrite. Most of the 7.5k in hospital are unvaccinated. Everyone of them have had the opportunity to get vaccinated.
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It’s as I said, statistically speaking. Statistics don’t have emotions. It’s statistically a virus which takes the most weak and vulnerable. By and large that’s the very elderly who often have other serious illnesses and have very short life expectancy regardless of Covid.
 
Scaramanga said:
So what’s the point of a vaccine passport ? as it seems the vaccines don’t work on some people what difference would it make to show someone you have been double jabbed when someone who is double jabbed can die of COVID.
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In my opinion there’s little point when we live in a community where vaccination rates are very high. There’s even less point if we only require the passport to be used in certain settings. It makes no sense to have a passport for a footy match yet not one for the pub.
It could be argued that the latter is the riskier setting as it’s indoors.
So we either go all in and have the passport for everything we do, or we don’t have it at all. I’m in the not at all camp cos it seems to me the benefit would be minimal especially as the vaccinated can catch and pass on the virus. If we really want to eliminate as far as possible the change of virus spread at large gatherings we should require a negative Covid test within the previous 24 hours. I’m no fan of that either but if at least would be more likely to achieve the safety objective.
 
Malced said:
In my opinion there’s little point when we live in a community where vaccination rates are very high. There’s even less point if we only require the passport to be used in certain settings. It makes no sense to have a passport for a footy match yet not one for the pub.
It could be argued that the latter is the riskier setting as it’s indoors.
So we either go all in and have the passport for everything we do, or we don’t have it at all. I’m in the not at all camp cos it seems to me the benefit would be minimal especially as the vaccinated can catch and pass on the virus. If we really want to eliminate as far as possible the change of virus spread at large gatherings we should require a negative Covid test within the previous 24 hours. I’m no fan of that either but if at least would be more likely to achieve the safety objective.
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Agreed.
 
Just come back from highest point festival (what a venue and Lancaster is just ace... as for gig..james were on top form as always) and had to show that we had been double jabbed, or test result or u had to get a test. Had 3 gigs in a week... but two indoors didn't have to show anything!! Great to be back to normal.

Don't know if this stat has been stated.. but double jabbed are also 47% less chance of getting long covid.. for me its a no brainer.

Saw this week a heart breaking story of 31yr pregnant women, she would have had the jab but xmas she was told as pregnant not to as didn't know risks... June was told ok but as due anytime they decided to wait till after birth and were careful... when she gave birth she caught covid and died leaving a husband and 4 kids.. so sad particularly as she would have been jabbed had she not been pregnant.

One thing tho.. if these passports do come in best get to the games earlier or they open every turnstile.
 
Malced said:
In my opinion there’s little point when we live in a community where vaccination rates are very high. There’s even less point if we only require the passport to be used in certain settings. It makes no sense to have a passport for a footy match yet not one for the pub.
It could be argued that the latter is the riskier setting as it’s indoors.
So we either go all in and have the passport for everything we do, or we don’t have it at all. I’m in the not at all camp cos it seems to me the benefit would be minimal especially as the vaccinated can catch and pass on the virus. If we really want to eliminate as far as possible the change of virus spread at large gatherings we should require a negative Covid test within the previous 24 hours. I’m no fan of that either but if at least would be more likely to achieve the safety objective.
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All in.
 
I’m guessing Adam’s kebab’s Facebook photo is a Union Jack and he shares LOADS of Daily Mail articles and facts from websites that have URL’s like “thetruth.nohonestly.seriously.com”
 
LeedsSeasider said:
I’m guessing Adam’s kebab’s Facebook photo is a Union Jack and he shares LOADS of Daily Mail articles and facts from websites that have URL’s like “thetruth.nohonestly.seriously.com”
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Pony guessing. Don’t have Facebook & not into the Daily Mail.

Can you point me in the direction of the things I’ve said that are wrong? It’s so weird people think you are a conspiracy theorist for questioning why we need a vaccine passport.

This thread was about that issue…. vaccine passports. I don’t think they do anything to stop the spread of the virus as proven by lots of people who have had the jab contracting the virus. This happened at an event in Cornwall recently I think, maybe it’s on the Daily Mail website? If these passports are the answer then why aren’t they in now? Why have we sporting events going on?

Rationally, if what many people are saying on this thread is true about the unvaccinated etc. then hospitals should now be overwhelmed and people should be dropping dead, despite the data and stats on a virus with a +99% recovery rate as we are out and about with normality.

I don’t think the passports will come in to be honest as they are unworkable for many businesses, turnstile queues, constant security at your local pub, additional costs etc.

If they do, it will be funny to see how people cope with going to a fully vaccinated venue and still catching the virus, which can clearly happen. Who’ll be to blame them? That’ll send a few heads west.
 
I don’t write on here very much, but there’s times you just have to speak out and this is one of them. Not that I expect much agreement, from some of the comments I’ve seen it’s clear what the majority opinion is. I was 60/40 for getting the jab at the start, from what I saw, it was the only way out. one day my anti jab son said to me to research it, he wasn’t going to try to influence me one way or another, as I won’t do to you here on this forum either. So I tried to research it and at first it was hard to find. I found a video of perhaps 25 medical professionals from around the world, all saying the same thing, don’t take the jab, it’s experimental. So I thought, this video needs to be on Facebook, people need to hear this, but within ten seconds of me posting it, it was taken down. Then I found out that every single opinion and argument that’s against it, every warning about the jab is censored. Why should that be? If it’s safe, with perhaps a small risk, why shouldn’t we debate the pros and cons of it,especially if it’s as miraculous as they tell us it is? Once you scratch the surface, once you go down the rabbit hole that is bid pharma, you find some ugly truth down there. There’s hundreds of scientists and doctors joining forces to try to get the message out, but the media is censoring all of them. If you don’t believe me, try it yourself. But the reason for me posting here is, I have a right to choose not to be involved in a medical experiment, as you have the right to choose to participate, but me being excluded from a match for not having the vaccination is completely senseless as you being vaxed can transmit the virus as much as I can. The government are talking nonsense and it sounds like some on here are buying it. Two things I’ll leave you with, do you know the governments own reporting scheme for vaccination deaths (yellow card) is telling us there’s been over 1500 deaths from the vax so far? And secondly, they say you’re only fully jabbed 2 weeks after the second jab, so people in hospital with related side effects are considered unvaxed if it’s within two weeks. Don’t believe me? Research for yourselves.
 
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I don’t write on here very much, but there’s times you just have to speak out and this is one of them. Not that I expect much agreement, from some of the comments I’ve seen it’s clear what the majority opinion is. I was 60/40 for getting the jab at the start, from what I saw, it was the only way out. one day my anti jab son said to me to research it, he wasn’t going to try to influence me one way or another, as I won’t do to you here on this forum either. So I tried to research it and at first it was hard to find. I found a video of perhaps 25 medical professionals from around the world, all saying the same thing, don’t take the jab, it’s experimental. So I thought, this video needs to be on Facebook, people need to hear this, but within ten seconds of me posting it, it was taken down. Then I found out that every single opinion and argument that’s against it, every warning about the jab is censored. Why should that be? If it’s safe, with perhaps a small risk, why shouldn’t we debate the pros and cons of it,especially if it’s as miraculous as they tell us it is? Once you scratch the surface, once you go down the rabbit hole that is bid pharma, you find some ugly truth down there. There’s hundreds of scientists and doctors joining forces to try to get the message out, but the media is censoring all of them. If you don’t believe me, try it yourself. But the reason for me posting here is, I have a right to choose not to be involved in a medical experiment, as you have the right to choose to participate, but me being excluded from a match for not having the vaccination is completely senseless as you being vaxed can transmit the virus as much as I can. The government are talking nonsense and it sounds like some on here are buying it. Two things I’ll leave you with, do you know the governments own reporting scheme for vaccination deaths (yellow card) is telling us there’s been over 1500 deaths from the vax so far? And secondly, they say you’re only fully jabbed 2 weeks after the second jab, so people in hospital with related side effects are considered unvaxed if it’s within two weeks. Don’t believe me? Research for yourselves.
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I didn’t realise that you were still alive 👍

 
UlsterBFC said:
I don’t write on here very much, but there’s times you just have to speak out and this is one of them. Not that I expect much agreement, from some of the comments I’ve seen it’s clear what the majority opinion is. I was 60/40 for getting the jab at the start, from what I saw, it was the only way out. one day my anti jab son said to me to research it, he wasn’t going to try to influence me one way or another, as I won’t do to you here on this forum either. So I tried to research it and at first it was hard to find. I found a video of perhaps 25 medical professionals from around the world, all saying the same thing, don’t take the jab, it’s experimental. So I thought, this video needs to be on Facebook, people need to hear this, but within ten seconds of me posting it, it was taken down. Then I found out that every single opinion and argument that’s against it, every warning about the jab is censored. Why should that be? If it’s safe, with perhaps a small risk, why shouldn’t we debate the pros and cons of it,especially if it’s as miraculous as they tell us it is? Once you scratch the surface, once you go down the rabbit hole that is bid pharma, you find some ugly truth down there. There’s hundreds of scientists and doctors joining forces to try to get the message out, but the media is censoring all of them. If you don’t believe me, try it yourself. But the reason for me posting here is, I have a right to choose not to be involved in a medical experiment, as you have the right to choose to participate, but me being excluded from a match for not having the vaccination is completely senseless as you being vaxed can transmit the virus as much as I can. The government are talking nonsense and it sounds like some on here are buying it. Two things I’ll leave you with, do you know the governments own reporting scheme for vaccination deaths (yellow card) is telling us there’s been over 1500 deaths from the vax so far? And secondly, they say you’re only fully jabbed 2 weeks after the second jab, so people in hospital with related side effects are considered unvaxed if it’s within two weeks. Don’t believe me? Research for yourselves.
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Who are the 25 medical experts?
 
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